Post-Game Talk: Below average goaltending + below average finishing + below average defense = ugly losses

[CantHaveTkachev]

Replying indicates you do care.

you're the one that called out me...I didn't start this
sounds like you're trying to convince me...

perhaps you should stick to being bitter and salty about the Blues

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Not necessary to call Skinner that.

Who said Bowman won’t upgrade in the offseason?

Pushing this nonsense is annoying.

He had an entire season to upgrade and he did nothing. Isn't it important to win now? I guess not.

Bowman sucks just as we all suspected he would.

 

[CupofOil]

The same fans who wanted Henrique instead of Mcleod because Henrique makes "less mistakes" are the same who want to get rid of Bouchard. For the first time since Mcleod became a full time NHLer, our bottom 6 is getting caved because Henrique can't do *anything* and also barely has the puck, so what mistakes will he make? Similarly, you know who doesn't make mistakes like Bouchard? A guy like Luke Schenn, because he also barely has the puck. I understand being frustrated with him but acting like he's not easily a #1 Dman and we should get rid of him is absurd.

No #1 Dman has ever been as terrible defensively and managing the puck as Bouchard has been this season.
I've seen Bouchard play well in the past, he has completely lost the plot this season. I don't know if getting rid of Bouchard is the answer because Dmen with his offensive gifts are a rarity but you're going to have a real hard time winning anything with this version of Bouchard as your #1 Dmen. Is this what it's going to be like when Ekholm declines for good? Big Yikes

 

[foshizzle]

Sorry, but the numbers/analytics don't work when supporting Bouchard. It's the severity of his turnovers and lack of intensity that are his problems.

And yeah Mcleod and Foegele had issues. That is why they don't make over 3.5 million dollars and are depth players their respective teams......

His analytics are just a count of what is happening on the ice. You have no way to gauge his intensity at all, "he didn't look intense" isn't a gauge. As far as his turnovers go, like I said- 6th best in the league as a percentage of his possessions. He is in the middle of the pack for turnover that result in goals. What you have is a bias not supported by facts

Good post. Once in thirty years a team gets a D that can go PPG and the fans have the pitchforks out for him swearing at him. Last time it was Paul Coffey. The fans were constantly on him too. Its as if the risk/reward and situation of being last man back isn't properly understood at all. EVERY D makes mistakes. Orr was -5 in one period against the Habs one playoffs. 1971.

Remember the vitriol that Coffey would get?? It was insane! Effortless skater was considered lazy- even though he would blow by everybody...

 

[popo]

I'm shocked management did nothing on goaltending all year. Even a veteran backup at the deadline would have been something (Mrazek, Allen, etc).
If Skinner has another shaky playoff performance (like he has every year) you have to fire the GM for not addressing this.

Then this offseason your options are:
Offer Sheet on RFA's: Dostal (Anaheim), Hofer (St Louis === revenge)
UFA offer: Aiden Hill (Vegas)

 

[GMofOilers]

Like I have been saying all year good thing for Pickards record.
Not my fault skinner is 43GP 22W 21L

He has in the bottom of the league all by himself.

 

[alphahelix]

His analytics are just a count of what is happening on the ice. You have no way to gauge his intensity at all, "he didn't look intense" isn't a gauge. As far as his turnovers go, like I said- 6th best in the league as a percentage of his possessions. He is in the middle of the pack for turnover that result in goals. What you have is a bias not supported by facts

To be fair the guy you’re replying to is talking about the severity of turnovers not the frequency. This is something that needs to be better quantified with the analytics. The Oilers, by eye, OFTEN have clean possession with everyone on the team thinking attack / break-out/ go for a change and the goalie thinking its time to re-set / rest / take a sip of water, and suddenly the puck is in the HDSC zone on an elite shooter’s stick with no one covering him and the whole team including the goalie scrambling to adjust before the shot.

Which analytic covers that circumstance, and how are we doing in it?

Don’t paint me as a goaltender defender or whatever, because it’s really not about that. I’m seeing Tom Thumb level errors out there, I don’t care who is in net. It’s a combination of poor “game sense/situational awareness” with sloppiness, lack of composure, and poor chemistry — but Less “Error Prone” players , i.e. Ekholm types, would help with this. (Although he has been worse at this type of thing this year by eye as well) . And we’re stuck with the goaltending for the time being regardless, so this is where we should be focused.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

The same fans who wanted Henrique instead of Mcleod because Henrique makes "less mistakes" are the same who want to get rid of Bouchard. For the first time since Mcleod became a full time NHLer, our bottom 6 is getting caved because Henrique can't do *anything* and also barely has the puck, so what mistakes will he make? Similarly, you know who doesn't make mistakes like Bouchard? A guy like Luke Schenn, because he also barely has the puck. I understand being frustrated with him but acting like he's not easily a #1 Dman and we should get rid of him is absurd.

1. Bouchard is not a #1 defensemen. Watch the games.

2. That's a little extreme using Luke Schenn in that example. I'll counter that with Jake Walman would be better in Bouchard's role next season at his 3.4 million AAV. We can use Bouchard's money to get a top Winger that can actually score some goals. Right now Nuge,Brown,Arvy, Podklozin are dragging this team down by not being able to generate squat offensively. They are playing with Leon and Connor and can't piss a drop of offence............

 

[MoontoScott]

Connor’s body language when skating off the ice after the game was disconcerting .

Clearly agitated shoulder shrug in what looked like him responding to a teammate.

Not good.

Can't blame the guy. Gretzky and Messier didn't have to carry the team every night. The supporting cast and the goaltending was strong.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

His analytics are just a count of what is happening on the ice. You have no way to gauge his intensity at all, "he didn't look intense" isn't a gauge. As far as his turnovers go, like I said- 6th best in the league as a percentage of his possessions. He is in the middle of the pack for turnover that result in goals. What you have is a bias not supported by facts


Remember the vitriol that Coffey would get?? It was insane! Effortless skater was considered lazy- even though he would blow by everybody...

Except for the fact that everybody is blowing by Bouchard.......

 

[Bumblebee Man]

This is pathetic.

It was a jab at some of the doom and gloom posts about it already

 

[North]

you're the one that called out me...I didn't start this
sounds like you're trying to convince me...

perhaps you should stick to being bitter and salty about the Blues

I’m fine with being salty towards the Blues and I’m fine with calling you out.

 

[iCanada]

Like I have been saying all year good thing for Pickards record.
Not my fault skinner is 43GP 22W 21L

He has in the bottom of the league all by himself.

Literally it's worse - he's 22W and 22L on 44 GP, but he's also been pulled 3x on losses that are currently on Pickard's record.

He's 22W and 25L essentially. Not even a positive points percentage with the loser point.

 

[North]

It was a jab at some of the doom and gloom posts about it already

Sorry, my bad. I thought for a moment it might be sarcasm but you never know in these parts.

 

[Bumblebee Man]

Except for the fact that everybody is blowing by Bouchard.......

Except 2 games ago where he hustled into position and poked away a 2 on 1

Or 3 games ago, where he chased down a breakaway attempt and lifted the guys stick

You're notorious for ignoring the good plays too.

As usual, you lied to make your point

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I’m fine with being salty towards the Blues and I’m fine with calling you out.

You're also apparently fine with pathetic management.

 

[PositiveCashFlow]

what 'internal metrics' could they be using to say that Skinner and Picard don't need to be upgraded?

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

Skinner has been better than every forward not named Draisaitl and Perry when he’s played in his last 10 games.

Knobby probably sits him again next game so Connor Brown can miss more empty nets and Kapanen with Janmark can do more nothing.

I honestly think coaches either have big egos or try to galaxy brain everything.

Here in Vancouver not only has our coach sucked the creativity out, he refuses to put any line together that might sacrifice a bit of defence for more offense and we need more offense.

In Edmonton aside from the Skinner issue it seems the only constant is loading up McDrai .

Also playing #97, 26 minutes against the Sabres and n game 62 is just dumb.
If I was a betting man I'd say his poor season (by his standards) is likely caused or at least a big part of is being burntout.

 

[WhiskeyEE]

Why would mcdavid stay another 10 years with the antichrist in net lol. Terrible goalie=no cup and he desperately wants a f***ing cup

I don't think it would mean anywhere near as much for his legacy if he did it with a different team though. I'm sure he'll weigh the pros and cons of leaving, but I'm also sure he would much rather win with Edmonton than a new team. I think he'll only leave if the Oilers no longer look like a contender, which isn't outside of the realm of possibility.

 

[McBigYak]

There is enough of a sample size here to almost determine with certainty that Skinner is not the guy.

If the team does manage to win a cup with him it will most certainly be a "I told you so" mentality when in reality it will just be that they managed to ride him on one of his hot streaks at the right time or the team outsources is deficiencies. To sum it up nicely, if they win a cup with him it will be pure luck.

They're rolling with the idea that a blind squirrel can still find a nut the odd time. They're hoping Skinner finds one in a few months.

Either way, not really a recipe for success. It would have been so easy for this team to acquire a goaltender in the offseason to run a 1A 1B situation to take a bit of pressure off, and now we are left relying solely on him.

 

[tardigrade81]

I actually watched most of the Sens game, instead of our dipshit in net, what a Masterpiece of goaltending by Ullmark


Hope you tuned into some of the OTT/DET game, awesome game and the goaltending was incredible es, Ullmark

He was unbelievable last night

Strange going from watching Skinner to Ullmark. What a true goalie looks like

 

[soothsayer]

That was the most deflating performance by Skinner all season, and that's saying something. You have to be an utter imbecile to think the Oilers shouldn't have tried to upgrade in goal because there were no guarantees they'd get a better option.

Where are they looking? The EIHL? You have to almost try to do worse than what Skinner has done this season, now with 896 sv% on a potential cup contender.

There is no defence for dropping the puck on a long-distance wrist shot for a rebound leading to a goal. And there is no explanation for looking like a past-his-prime Gump Worsely swinging at the puck with his blocker on the second goal. What Skinner supporters don't understand is that that type of goaltending, game after game, is likely insurmountable, even with elite defense.

 

[oobga]

That was the most deflating performance by Skinner all season, and that's saying something. You have to be an utter imbecile to think the Oilers shouldn't have tried to upgrade in goal because there were no guarantees they'd get a better option.

Where are they looking? The EIHL? You have to almost try to do worse than what Skinner has done this season, now with 896 sv% on a potential cup contender.

There is no defence for dropping the puck on a long-distance wrist shot for a rebound leading to a goal. And there is no explanation for looking like a past-his-prime Gump Worsely swinging at the puck with his blocker on the second goal. What Skinner supporters don't understand is that that type of goaltending, game after game, is likely insurmountable, even with elite defense.

The players see this too. It absolutely sucks the way this can snowball, and we've seen it happen many times here. The players lose faith in the goaltending, start playing overly cautious, but letting up more on offense leads to way more chances for mistakes in our end, and we don't really have that great of D defensively to start with. We can't afford for this D group to be spending loads of time in our end. This team needs to be inspired to keep pushing offense, but the fear your goalie is going to let in any even half decent chance puts us on a destructive path. Team is in a holding pattern again, waiting for Skinner to actually look like he has an ounce of confidence back there for more than 1 game every week or so.

 

[North]

what 'internal metrics' could they be using to say that Skinner and Picard don't need to be upgraded?

I don’t think they are.

This may not be popular but I do think both Jackson and Bowman know our goaltending is not good enough.

I think maybe the options out there at the trade deadline were not appealing so they decided for better or worse to stick it out with this tandem.

I do think we’ll see a goaltending change in the offseason.

 

[FlameChampion]

I don’t think they are.

This may not be popular but I do think both Jackson and Bowman know our goaltending is not good enough.

I think maybe the options out there at the trade deadline were not appealing so they decided for better or worse to stick it out with this tandem.

I do think we’ll see a goaltending change in the offseason.

Let’s say you’re right and JJ/SB aren’t fans of the goaltending, I don’t understand why changes are not being made.

Guess it comes down to why Dustin Schwartz is still here? Is he close with Katz?