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Bedard vs McDavid now & in future.

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SnowblindNYR said:
The analogy works because you're talking in hindsight. Alexander Daigle was not a bust in 1993.
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You didn't address my counter point at all. Nobody for reasons of sanity compared Crosby or McDavid to Daigle before they ever hit the ice either.

You have to be trolling. Its not like this is 2021 and Beard is some far off prospect. Bedard is in the NHL and is breaking out and you are still comparing him to Alex Daigle. Stop trolling. Its against the rules.
 
Brookbank said:
You didn't address my counter point at all. Nobody for reasons of sanity compared Crosby or McDavid to Daigle before they ever hit the ice either.

You have to be trolling. Its not like this is 2021 and Beard is some far off prospect. Bedard is in the NHL and is breaking out and you are still comparing him to Alex Daigle. Stop trolling. Its against the rules.
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You're comparing a guy that's played like 15 games to arguably a guy that's already a top 10 player of all time and I'm trolling. John Tavares was a highly regarded #1 overall pick that ended up being an excellent but forgettable player in the grand scheme things.
 
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I think Bedard has a realistic chance at being recognized as the best player in the world by the end of next season. Whether or not he reaches the peak we just witnessed from McDavid will be interesting to see as his career progresses but I wouldn’t bet on it. I still see him being roughly close to what Crosby was except hopefully with better health.
 
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Easily bedard. McDavid is not a winner on any level of hockey. Sure he wins his individual awards but they are all shallow awards with no substance. Thankfully the hockey world is starting to notice and bedard is being compared to a true great like Crosby. On that note goodnight
 
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Brookbank said:
Bedard averaged 2 ppg averaged over his junior career.

McDavid averaged 1.7 ppg averaged over is junior career.

In international play, Bedard got 36 points in 15 games, Mcdavid got 15 points in 14 games.

What's there to "Lol" about ?
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These are such lazy arguments lol. Just completely removes all context. OHL was way better than the WHL was when mcdavid was playing in it. Bedard played internationally when one of the top 3 teams are not playing.

I think for people (including me), mcdavid has become better than advertised and exceeded expectations. That is extremely difficult to do. Bedard can obviously do that, but it's still so early. Not sure why people feel the need to discuss this kind of stuff right away, it's almost like they want to be the first ones "right" about it.
 
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Brookbank said:
You didn't address my counter point at all. Nobody for reasons of sanity compared Crosby or McDavid to Daigle before they ever hit the ice either.

You have to be trolling. Its not like this is 2021 and Beard is some far off prospect. Bedard is in the NHL and is breaking out and you are still comparing him to Alex Daigle. Stop trolling. Its against the rules.
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You're a real genius. He didn't compare anything. He gave you an example to show you how an early rookie sample means nothing.

Naturally, you showed your level of maturity by pretending he was comparing Daigle to other greats. This sorta immature spin pollutes the board.

snag said:
Who went #2 again? I don't remember.
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Pat Falloon
 
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Grate n Colorful Oz said:
You're a real genius. He didn't compare anything. He gave you an example to show you how an early rookie sample means nothing.

Naturally, you showed your level of maturity by pretending he was comparing Daigle to other greats. This sorta immature spin pollutes the board.



Pat Falloon
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falloon was 2oa in the Lindros draft. Pronger was the guy that went 2oa no one remembered in the daigle draft
 
Brookbank said:
Bedard averaged 2 ppg averaged over his junior career.

McDavid averaged 1.7 ppg averaged over is junior career.

In international play, Bedard got 36 points in 15 games, Mcdavid got 15 points in 14 games.

What's there to "Lol" about ?
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Bedard was a better junior player especially considering Mcdavid had guys like Strome Debrincat Burakovaky and Connor Brown on his teams. That being said being a better junior player doesnt automaticly make you a better nhl player and i don't think he will be as good as Mcdavid imo. If Bedard had Mcdavid skating ability than i'd say he would probably surpass Mcdavid.
 
It is still McDavid for now. Most likely in the future too. Bedard is good but you only need one single shift from McDavid to understand he is truly special.

Bedard could be another Crosby which is definitely a huge thing for Chicago.
 
Brookbank said:
I really don't understand why this is so controversial. How is this not similar to Crosby and Ovechkin ? Nobody laughed when someone said they would take Ovechkin over Crosby back in 2006. Or vise versa.
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I think the reason is pretty obvious...
 
authentic said:
I think Bedard has a realistic chance at being recognized as the best player in the world by the end of next season. Whether or not he reaches the peak we just witnessed from McDavid will be interesting to see as his career progresses but I wouldn’t bet on it. I still see him being roughly close to what Crosby was except hopefully with better health.
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I think Bedard's ceiling is to be a McDavid/Crosby tier player in the NHL. Ceiling, meaning it's a lot more likely he falls short.

Both McDavid and Crosby won an art ross in pretty dominating fashion in their 2nd season, and Bedard certainly looks great so far at the NHL level. It's very possible that by year 2 he's already in the running for hart/ross.

I think the biggest x-factor here is what McDavid will do. He's off to a bad start this season, but I expect that's just temporary. If McDavid is still at his peak by next year, I think it'll be incredibly hard for Bedard to match that. And even outside of McDavid, lots of super high end talent in the league today like Hughes, Drai, Mack, Matthews, Kucherov, etc. I think there's more top end competition in the league today than there was in either of Crosby's or McDavid's rookie seasons, so it will be even harder for Bedard to reach top of league by year 2.

ThisIsMyAlibi said:
Sometimes I wonder if HFB exists in a parallel reality. How does one take Bedard over a guy who is seen as a shoe-in for top 3 player of all time and is in his prime?
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Nobody is taking Bedard over any of Gretzky/Lemieux/Orr - and also, none of them are still active, let alone in their prime.
 
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The Panther said:
Hey, Bedard has some good regular season numbers across 11 games. Might as well put him in the Hall of Fame now.
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Technically - Bedard will at 99.99% certainty make the hall of fame, so it's probably not as controversial as you suggest to put him in now :sarcasm:

Also - it's 13 games, not 11.

And finally - if the question is "who do you take moving forward" I think Bedard has a very strong argument. Good chance he ends up a McDavid/Crosby tier player, with his whole career ahead of him, whereas McDavid is already much older. For some teams (ie contenders) taking McDavid today makes more sense still, but for a lot taking Bedard makes more sense.

If the queston is "will Bedard surpass McDavid all-time" - that's a much taller ask. It's possible he does, but a lot more likely he doesn't.
 
bobholly39 said:
Technically - Bedard will at 99.99% certainty make the hall of fame, so it's probably not as controversial as you suggest to put him in now :sarcasm:
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You're serious? You are an intelligent poster.

Let's wait and see if the kid is still looking like an All Star by his first Christmas in the NHL before we all anoint him to Hockey Mount Rushmore.
 
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