Prospect Info: Bedard Topic 2

[Chuck Testa]

yes and if you move bedard to wing for 20 games you can never again play him at center, those are the rules...kane moved off wing in 2012 to try center and he never went back to wing, its crazy, like he completely forgot how to play the position

I remember those times... then a few years after that he won the Hart Trophy, as a defenseman.

 

[SimpleJack]

I don’t see any reason for Bedard to be moved to wing. Maybe if he was struggling big time and needed something major to switch things up and try to get himself going but this isn’t the case….he’s actually been playing pretty well since the coaching change, he’s easily our best player…you keep him at C and let him learn and grow. A position change right now would only cause a wave of unwanted “what’s wrong with Bedard?” chatter.

 

[Crow]

Might make more sense if he wasn’t by far the best center on the team.

 

[Callidusblackhawk]

Might make more sense if he wasn’t by far the best center on the team.

Of if he wasn't playing W (at least) half the time in the D zone now anyway.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Just for the sake of relevant data...

Kane's first two seasons in the league (0708 & 08/09) he had 21 G 51 A in 82 games and 25G 45 A in 80 games respectively. League scoring in those years was 2.72 and 2.85. In Bedard's first two seasons it's been 3.08 and 2.98 respectively.

Where the difference lays between higher league scoring for Kane and much worse quality teammates for Bedard is remains to be seen. I've been seeing Bedard's numbers compared to Kane's more frequently lately and I thought it was worth pointing out.

I don't know whether Bedard should be put at W yet or if ever. It's really premature to say until we get some more talent for this kid to play with. He's unarguably very talented and not playing with anyone close to his talent level. Maybe if he gets switched to wing in a season or two he'll have spent his first 3-4 years learning some proper defense at Center.

 

[Crow]

Just for the sake of relevant data...

Kane's first two seasons in the league (0708 & 08/09) he had 21 G 51 A in 82 games and 25G 45 A in 80 games respectively. League scoring in those years was 2.72 and 2.85. In Bedard's first two seasons it's been 3.08 and 2.98 respectively.

Where the difference lays between higher league scoring for Kane and much worse quality teammates for Bedard is remains to be seen. I've been seeing Bedard's numbers compared to Kane's more frequently lately and I thought it was worth pointing out.

I don't know whether Bedard should be put at W yet or if ever. It's really premature to say until we get some more talent for this kid to play with. He's unarguably very talented and not playing with anyone close to his talent level. Maybe if he gets switched to wing in a season or two he'll have spent his first 3-4 years learning some proper defense at Center.

To me the league scoring is very much secondary to team scoring. Both are relevant to an extent. The NHL as a whole being a higher league is probably due to power plays called and goalie equipment being a bit smaller. Apparently Bedard can’t buy a power play though.

 

[Crow]

Thinking about this a little more, the team scoring already should account for the league scoring changes. You could say this whole team now, would have scored even less (somehow) in a league where kane was a teenager theoretically. It just depends which side you are looking at things from.

 

[statswatcher]

i was doing a spreadsheet looking at the top 10 seasons by 19 year olds in terms of pts/60 and comparing league and team average scoring for each season but i didn't save it and i can't be assed to redo it right now. one thing i remember that i found pretty funny is that bedard is currently averaging roughly the same amount of points per 60 as the hawks average goals as a team per game (crosby in his 19yo season averaged more than a point per 60 above his team's collective goal scoring rate lmao). also of them, only stamkos, clayton keller, and bedard were playing on below league average offenses.

 

[TLEH]

Plots been lost atleast on my point. Im advocating him for wing purely because I think his skills will be better there and we’ll get the most out of him. Not because I don’t love the kid.

 

[WarriorofTime]

To me the league scoring is very much secondary to team scoring. Both are relevant to an extent. The NHL as a whole being a higher league is probably due to power plays called and goalie equipment being a bit smaller. Apparently Bedard can’t buy a power play though.

We very much saw what the Bedard less Hawks from his rookie year looked like in such a high scoring league environment (higher than this year). So one couldn’t even make the argument about the premiere ice time. There just was not any goals to be had when he was out with a broken jaw. It’d be a bit more improved this year on margins with TT and Bertuzzi but not significantly so as there is a reason they received the middle class contracts they signed with Chicago instead of big money deals on contenders. The Hawks just don’t have the kind of offensive talent in their top six to take advantage of an overall higher scoring league.

 

[BHawks77]

Plots been lost atleast on my point. Im advocating him for wing purely because I think his skills will be better there and we’ll get the most out of him. Not because I don’t love the kid.

Agree to disagree on that and that is fine. Maybe we see Bedard on the wing some day, but I think Chicago really needs to find strong 1C and 2C for that to happen.