Prospect Info: Bedard Topic 2

Let´s wait and see here. Jack Hughes had better surroundings but was struggling even more than Bedard in his first two seasons. Nathan MacKinnon breakout year was his fifth season.

The difference ia you saw the flashes from those guys. Hughes looked like a boy who needed to mature. MacKinnon was lighting on skates. I don’t see the special stuff with Bedard. He’s got a great release but can’t create shots. His skating is dreadful. It’s not the he’s ’not that fast’, it’s that he looks slow. Like very slow.

Again. He just looks like a kid trying to play against men.

Oh and he’s not a center
 
Bedard will be fine. The organization needs to do whatever possible to make sure he understands how massive of a priority his skating needs to be this summer.

Kinda hope he abandons the roller blade stuff this summer and spends a ton of time in the gym and doing skating work.

Connor knows his weaknesses, so I’m sure none of that needs to be communicated.

This kid is going to be a 100+ point winger for many years. I’m still very excited.

Last thought, watching the college kids come up is very eye opening. You can tell how much more polished they are. I think there are times where Connor tries something that worked in JR that simply won’t work in the NHL. Wish the kid would just rip the puck sometimes instead of over passing.

This sounds like a lot of wishful thinking to me

‘He knows his weaknesses’. Really? The why do we still see him trying to skate through 3 guys like it’s a squirt major?

I think people want that to be true vs it actually being true. At this point, I don’t think he will be a 100 point player. He’s just got a good enough skater. I hope I’m wrong.
 
The difference ia you saw the flashes from those guys. Hughes looked like a boy who needed to mature. MacKinnon was lighting on skates. I don’t see the special stuff with Bedard. He’s got a great release but can’t create shots. His skating is dreadful. It’s not the he’s ’not that fast’, it’s that he looks slow. Like very slow.

Again. He just looks like a kid trying to play against men.

Oh and he’s not a center
did he tweak his skating last summer? he looks stiff at times and then if a man's on him its usually gg because hes not maintaining possession or getting loose
 
The difference ia you saw the flashes from those guys. Hughes looked like a boy who needed to mature. MacKinnon was lighting on skates. I don’t see the special stuff with Bedard. He’s got a great release but can’t create shots. His skating is dreadful. It’s not the he’s ’not that fast’, it’s that he looks slow. Like very slow.

Again. He just looks like a kid trying to play against men.

Oh and he’s not a center

He definitely needs to, and surely will, work on his skating. But to say Bedard is "very slow" is just an absurd take. Its utter BS. You're being extreme over the top negative here, this is coming from someone who hasn't been afraid to criticize Bedard for this poor sophomore season but ffs the stuff you're saying is just silly. He looks like a kid trying to play against men....because he is. And he's gonna grow up and get better like all great young players do. "The difference is you saw flashes"....like we haven't seen any from Bedard? You're reaching here to worry, going out of your way to look for the negatives in what is truthfully a wide range of both negatives and positives.....where is your balance? I've never once see you say one single positive thing about this kid. You're like the posters on the main boards.
 
This is where I am on Bedard.

I don’t think anyone can honestly say that this season has been anything but a disappointment overall. I think we all hoped and expected he would take a significant step forward, production-wise, from last season and it just hasn’t happened. Where I get frustrated is people who are just constantly complaining and worrying about him without any kind of appreciation of how lucky we are to have a guy who is almost certain to be an All Star player for a long time on this team. I get that with the hype pre-draft that his current level may be underwhelming, but that doesn’t change the fact that we have an awesome young player who has stepped into the league and produced at a rate that only few have.

Now there are many reasons for his underwhelming production. Some of them on him, some of them situational. He needs to get stronger and improve his skating/endurance. He needs to trust his teammates more and not try to do as much himself. He needs to diversify his zone entries. He needs to harness his emotion and the pressure better to perform at the highest level when it is most important. The caveat with all those things is that he is not yet 20 years old. There are very very few players that have walked into this league and handled all those things well.

Situationally, obviously he is on a bad team. He spends many shifts hemmed in his zone, he rarely has anyone else make plays to get him good chances, he rarely has time and space, and it seems like the entire team just doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to penalties and generating power plays. Now, before I hear about how Donato or TT are producing, it’s simply not comparable. The level of attention that Bedard receives and the way opposing teams game plan around him is on a completely different level. If anything, they have benefitted significantly from that, Donato many times as a linemate and TT on the power play where he has so much more time because opponents flood Bedard’s side.

While we can all agree that his production has not taken a step, I do think people are overlooking the small steps he has made in other parts of his game. In-zone on the PP he has gotten even better. He is already among the best players in the league on the PP. The fact that the Hawks have been top 10 on the PP ,despite the personnel, is a testament to that fact. Defensively, while he still has a ways to go, he has made some subtle strides. His positioning is much better, and is no longer flying the zone nearly the way he was last season (I actually think this is one of the reasons his production is down). His faceoffs have also improved significantly as the season has gone on.

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Bedard’s skating reminds me of a faster version of Boqvist, and I think it took a lot of time for people to eventually admit to themselves how bad of a skater he was. But eventually pretty much everyone agreed he was a bad skater after we saw him in the league enough.

Someone needs to hide all his sticks in the off season and all he needs to do is skate.
 
The skating changes everything. Some guys can really improve it, some can kinda improve it. Some can't improve it. We'll see what kind of player he is. Buts its the most important part of his development.

The amount of times it looks like he’s going to have a scoring chance but gets caught has been crazy this year. I don’t remember it being as much of an issue last year.

To your point, if he can just get marginally quicker it’ll be a game changer for him.
 
This sounds like a lot of wishful thinking to me

‘He knows his weaknesses’. Really? The why do we still see him trying to skate through 3 guys like it’s a squirt major?

I think people want that to be true vs it actually being true. At this point, I don’t think he will be a 100 point player. He’s just got a good enough skater. I hope I’m wrong.

Yeah, super wishful thinking that a teenager will get bigger/stronger and improve his game. Lol

Back to back 60 point seasons as an 18/19 year old isn’t nothing lol.

Like I get it, he has things he needs to improve. But how are some of you so stupid?

We will look back on this stuff 2-3 years from now and laugh when he’s putting up 100 points. He’s going to be a star/franchise player.
 
He definitely needs to, and surely will, work on his skating. But to say Bedard is "very slow" is just an absurd take. Its utter BS. You're being extreme over the top negative here, this is coming from someone who hasn't been afraid to criticize Bedard for this poor sophomore season but ffs the stuff you're saying is just silly. He looks like a kid trying to play against men....because he is. And he's gonna grow up and get better like all great young players do. "The difference is you saw flashes"....like we haven't seen any from Bedard? You're reaching here to worry, going out of your way to look for the negatives in what is truthfully a wide range of both negatives and positives.....where is your balance? I've never once see you say one single positive thing about this kid. You're like the posters on the main boards.

I can flip that and saying you’ve reached a conclusion that he will be a special player. I haven’t.
 
I can flip that and saying you’ve reached a conclusion that he will be a special player. I haven’t.
I realize that people get hung up on the word "generational", but aside from perhaps not being in that Crosby/McDavid category of player, everything Bedard has done so far suggests he will be a special player. Point me to how many players have come in as an 18 year old rookie and led their team in scoring 2 years in a row before the age of 20.
 
I can flip that and saying you’ve reached a conclusion that he will be a special player. I haven’t.
The evidence and facts support the idea that he's going to be a superstar more than not... lol. Here's the list of most points by an NHL player under 20 years old. Thinking this kid isn't going to be good when he has shown this before he's even 20, on dogshit teams, is just the typical shit with you where you really have absolutely no idea what you're seeing/watching. Just like your "opinion" that he's a "dreadful" skater is asinine. Just because he's not "flashy" doesn't mean he's not a future star.

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I realize that people get hung up on the word "generational", but aside from perhaps not being in that Crosby/McDavid category of player, everything Bedard has done so far suggests he will be a special player. Point me to how many players have come in as an 18 year old rookie and led their team in scoring 2 years in a row before the age of 20.
Keller cooked for a year first but he had basically the same 19yo season and led his team in scoring by a wider margin

Honestly wouldn’t be shocked if Bedard peaks as a similar player.
 
If Bedard isn't the best player of his class that's bad luck more than anything. Everyone and their ass was taking him 1st overall.
 
Keller cooked for a year first but he had basically the same 19yo season and led his team in scoring by a wider margin

Honestly wouldn’t be shocked if Bedard peaks as a similar player.
So…. Not the same.

Even if you ignore that he started a year later, his sophomore season he scored 47 points and 14 goals. Way behind what Bedard is doing.
 
So…. Not the same.

Even if you ignore that he started a year later, his sophomore season he scored 47 points and 14 goals. Way behind what Bedard is doing.
Comparing ages makes more sense.

STATISTICALLY his 19 year old season has been nothing “special”, falls behind Keller, Marner, Svechnikov, Laine, Kane, Toews, I’m sure there’s plenty more. Yes context and linemates plays a role but it’s not like he’s looked good this season in general. The game seems too fast more often than you would like.

I think he’s more talented than all those guys maybe other than Kane but at this point I wouldn’t say it’s a guarantee he has this 100+ point prime.
 
Comparing ages makes more sense.

STATISTICALLY his 19 year old season has been nothing “special”, falls behind Keller, Marner, Svechnikov, Laine, Kane, Toews, I’m sure there’s plenty more. Yes context and linemates plays a role but it’s not like he’s looked good this season in general. The game seems too fast more often than you would like.

I think he’s more talented than all those guys maybe other than Kane but at this point I wouldn’t say it’s a guarantee he has this 100+ point prime.
You are cherry picking one year. The post you were replying to was me asking how many players have led their team in scoring twice before the age of 20. You responded with a bunch of players who didn’t.
 
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Bedard needs real leadership. And I’m sorry, you can only be a leader if you’re a good player. That’s why having Foligno and Murphy as leaders is such a disaster. There’s no job on the planet where you get to be a leader and suck ass at your job. And if you are, the people under you are usually disgruntled and lackadaisical.

Bedard has things to work on no doubt. But he needs good vibes, players his age to grow with (getting there), real leadership and a coach worth a f***. So tough offseason upcoming for Davidson.
 
everybody has worked a job where their boss/management loved some person that sucked at their job but somehow failed up, thats foligno...we signed a career bottom 6 40 point forward to mentor a generational type talent that plays a completely different game, Bedard's body language from his first prospect camp to now is night and day but hopefully that starts to change as the room changes
 
What did the Sabers do wrong that we’re trying to avoid? I remember in 2016 they bumped their rebuild too early after getting Eichel but what’s their issue now? Lots of high draft picks on the roster getting NHL games. Missed the playoffs for the 14th in a row this season and they traded their 7th OVR pick which is not a good sign considering their 24th in the league now and are a long way away from being a cup contender.
 
imagine that you were lucky enough to draft Kobe's work ethic then you have this bum vet come around telling the kid how to approach the game and he cant do this and needs to do that like buddy respectfully stfu if you have never been at that level, all the greats are somewhat obsessed with the game...baffling how much hawks micromanaged him, if its not broke dont fix it

 
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