Bedard, Michkov, or Celebrini: Who would you build around?

[bleedgreen]

I’m normally against small sample sizes and recency bias but I’m leaning towards Celebrini. I actually wasn’t that high on him (as an elite NHL’er) watching him in college. He was clearly the cream of the crop there but I wasnt sure how he’d do in the NHL. It’s so hard to judge when they’re in that kind of league. I’m impressed but when doing the comparison I’m trying to think long term. I think Bedard is a sniper and will be a scorer, I think Michkov will be a high end winger like Kaprizov. I think Celebrini could be the best center and therefore will control the play the most. I like his skating and playmaking sense which I think may outdo Bedard in the end. The OP’s question is who do you build a team around? Michkov is out for me as a wing as I’d always build a team down the middle so it’s between Bedard and Celebrini….Im taking Celebrini as of today. Absolutely could be wrong as all of them are barely defined as players, even Bedard.

 

[bossram]

Between Bedard and Michkov, really close, Michkov by a hair, but Celebrini is clearly #3 for me.

still think bedard and Michkov are in a different tier

Yeah, this is it for me. Don’t know how Celebrini is leading. Maybe he’s in the same tier. I don’t think so, but it’s not so impossible. What I don’t agree with is him leading this poll. He’s third.

Gotta know puck. There is no reason at all to have Celebrini in a clear lower tier. I think Macklin goes on to have the most overall impact for his team, even if Bedard/Michkov have higher-end point totals.

Celebrini is a complete player. His two-way habits are already top notch. Some of the private data has him near the top of the league (already!) in puck battles won %, rush chances, and zone entries/exits for his team. This is phenomenal. He was already the best player in college hockey at age 17. That is a much more significant accomplishment than what Bedard produced in junior.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Gotta know puck. There is no reason at all to have Celebrini in a clear lower tier. I think Macklin goes on to have the most overall impact for his team, even if Bedard/Michkov have higher-end point totals.

Celebrini is a complete player. His two-way habits are already top notch. Some of the private data has him near the top of the league (already!) in puck battles won %, rush chances, and zone entries/exits for his team. This is phenomenal. He was already the best player in college hockey at age 17. That is a much more significant accomplishment than what Bedard produced in junior.

So what about the public analytics that have his two-way play as rather putrid?

 

[Regal]

So what about the public analytics that have his two-way play as rather putrid?

They’re not putrid

Bedard’s last year were putrid

Some relative numbers aren’t great but it’s also one of those things where it’s tough to get a proper read on a poor team and even if you’re doing things well, others guys might not be and the variance in small numbers doesn’t always account for that.

Micro stats like puck battles are also one of those things where the overall defensive game might not be there yet but they show that the building blocks are there for it. Matthews was pretty similar as a rookie where you could tell he was going to be a strong defensive player but the underlying numbers didn’t quite back it up until a few years later. I’d argue Celebrini looks like the most complete rookie forward to enter the league since Matthews.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

So what about the public analytics that have his two-way play as rather putrid?

This is a lie.

 

[bossram]

So what about the public analytics that have his two-way play as rather putrid?

I thought you didn't like or believe in "analytics"?

He's on a bad team. The raw xG% is going to be bad. Also his numbers are considerably worse when on the ice with Cody Ceci, and that's the single player he's shared the ice most with. That's probably doing a lot of work there.

When he's on the ice with Walman or Liljegren (someone that has some modicum of puck-moving capacity), he's above breakeven. That's impressive for the Sharks.

 

[Crow]

Useful enough that you felt the need to reply. So to you my opinion is actually very important. Thanks!

I mean come on “big gap”? You have to be trolling/looking for a reaction with crap like that. You are begging for a reply. Or you have the worst case of recency bias I’ve ever seen.

 

[StrawHatEklund]

You’re validating your opinion from other human beings, hey man I respect it, sit on that opinion, I take what I see from a hockey standpoint and say what I think, I could be wrong but I don’t let other people decide that for me, let see what the next decade says. If we followed every “gm” opinion, haha yikes.

Celebrini is already playing an elite 200 foot game and currently scoring at a higher rate than both Michkov and Bedard. He also has an equal amount of goals with more 5 vs 5 points than Michkov in 8 less games. I’m not sure by what metric you have Michkov as the better player.

 

[Fatass]

I mean come on “big gap”? You have to be trolling/looking for a reaction with crap like that. You are begging for a reply. Or you have the worst case of recency bias I’ve ever seen.

IMO Bedard is a winger who is being pushed into a centre role he’s not ready for. Celebrini is a centre who is performing well in that role. Michkov is leading his club already after only being over here for a few months.

 

[Ignatius]

IMO Bedard is a winger who is being pushed into a centre role he’s not ready for. Celebrini is a centre who is performing well in that role. Michkov is leading his club already after only being over here for a few months.

Bedard may have been playing center simply because the Blackhawks have had such awful depth at all positions, especially during his rookie season. His play kinda reminded me of the year Chicago tried Kane at center and it just didn't work out because frankly the expectations simply don't coincide with the game he plays best.

Bedard's game is probably better suited for a winger in a sniper type role but until they get someone who can competently center him he may be stuck as a center.

Michkov is interesting because he was seen as being so "risky" to draft and now a lot of those naysayers want to ride on his bandwagon.

 

[Fatass]

Bedard may have been playing center simply because the Blackhawks have had such awful depth at all positions, especially during his rookie season. His play kinda reminded me of the year Chicago tried Kane at center and it just didn't work out because frankly the expectations simply don't coincide with the game he plays best.

Bedard's game is probably better suited for a winger in a sniper type role but until they get someone who can competently center him he may be stuck as a center.

Michkov is interesting because he was seen as being so "risky" to draft and now a lot of those naysayers want to ride on his bandwagon.

I like Bedard, but see him as a winger who could score a lot of goal. I just don’t see him as a guy to build a team around. Celebrini is a natural centre who could lead a team. Michkov is a phenom and will lead a team from the wing. As a Canadian of course I cheer for Bedard, but I just don’t see him as a cornerstone like the other two. IMO Bedard is a support player.

 

[Ghetty Green]

Hmm, no Reinbacher option?

Why bother? He's clearly better than these 3 bums