Beauty Hit by Tom Wilson on Carrier

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

My only question on my this hit was is it charging? Because that rule confuses me at this point as it is almost never called.

So that more of a league get your Sh*t in order problem rather than a this hit problem. Because the way they normally call this it's legal.

Wilson refusing to fight after the hit made me lose some respect for him though. You laid out a smaller player and Anderson wants to go you should go.

Not charging, he coasts for like 10 feet before the hit, only leaves feet post contact.


Also why would he fight? It’s the playoffs and he’s a top 6 forward. I guess he’ll have to cope with you losing respect for him, we’ll have to wait and see if he values your respect over a chance at the Cup.

 

[Misery74]

Your first point is not correct. The onus is on the hitter to ensure it's a legal check. The intent is not relevant, it's still the hitter's problem even if it didn't go as intended.

Your second point: I see a shoulder directly to the neck/jaw. I'm sure there's body contact too but it sure looks to me like the primary point of contact is neck and jaw. Sorry, not legal.

Was there even a penalty?

Beautiful hit, beautiful result, hope Carrier is ok.

The hits seems to have knocked the “sense” out of Habs fans.

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

I mean pretty clearly a headshot I thought, especially when you slow it down

Explicitly and with the language in the rule book explain how this hit is illegal

 

[Michoulicious]

My man has such advanced medical knowledge that he’s able to render a diagnosis from 90 feet away in the span of 30 seconds? Habs must be psyched he’s chosen hockey over curing cancer.


The question remains though, why didn’t he just tell the Habs Thompson would be fine for game 4? Or does his medical super vision top out at 100 feet?

I dunno why you are so defensive.

Dobes probably knows he has a concussion because people in the team told him, and right now he's pissed.

For Thompson my guess is he "could not" bear weight on his leg because he was afraid of being hurt, because obviously he wasn't really hurt.

 

[notbias]

I dunno why you are so defensive.

Dobes probably knows he has a concussion because people in the team told him, and right now he's pissed.

For Thompson my guess is he "could not" bear weight on his leg because he was afraid of being hurt, because obviously he wasn't really hurt.

Why is he pissed about a clean hit?

Should likely be pissed that he can't make crucial saves in the game.

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

I dunno why you are so defensive.

Dobes probably knows he has a concussion because people in the team told him, and right now he's pissed.

For Thompson my guess is he "could not" bear weight on his leg because he was afraid of being hurt, because obviously he wasn't really hurt.

I’m not defensive I’m pointing out how implying that Dobes knew Carrier had a concussion in that moment and thusly is justified in thinking the play should have been blown dead is asinine and an embarrassing level of logic to rationalize getting beat.

 

[HabsForHire]

Perhaps Xhekaj could start by being even a semi useful NHL player

Dude is even worse than Rempe and that’s saying something

chill lmao rempe ??? that's just not true hahaha

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Explicitly and with the language in the rule book explain how this hit is illegal

48.1 Illegal Check to the Head – A hit resulting in contact with an
opponent’s head where the head was the main point of contact and
such contact to the head was avoidable is not permitted.
In determining whether contact with an opponent's head was
avoidable, the circumstances of the hit including the following shall be
considered:
(i) Whether the player attempted to hit squarely through the
opponent’s body and the head was not "picked" as a result of poor
timing, poor angle of approach, or unnecessary extension of the
body upward or outward.
(ii) Whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position by
assuming a posture that made head contact on an otherwise full
body check unavoidable.
(iii) Whether the opponent materially changed the position of his body
or head immediately prior to or simultaneously with the hit in a way
that significantly contributed to the head contact.

Maybe I'm wrong or biased, but I don't really see how the head wasn't the main point of contact on the hit. I also didn't really see Carrier substantially change his position just prior to the hit so it's not like the head contact was unavoidable.

 

[Jack Spider]

you can't do that

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

Maybe I'm wrong or biased, but I don't really see how the head wasn't the main point of contact on the hit.

Because Wilson hits more of Carrier’s body than head, hope that helps.

 

[Michoulicious]

I’m not defensive I’m pointing out how implying that Dobes knew Carrier had a concussion in that moment and thusly is justified in thinking the play should have been blown dead is asinine and an embarrassing level of logic to rationalize getting beat.

Carrier was laying down for a while after the hit and looked hurt... Often it is enough to stop play for referees, it is a judgment call for the ref. The ref decided to let the play go on, Caps ended up scoring afterwards. Maybe he should have stayed down like Thompson for a few minutes to show everyone how hurt he was?

That is not Carrier's style.

I understand Dobes to be pissed the play was not stopped when his teammate was seriously hurt. I understand the call to stop play is not easy for a ref.

If the same thing happened, Xhekaj destroys Chychrun and concussed him and then then Habs went to score with Caps short a defenseman I think probably Caps players would have been pissed too, but well, you do you if you think that reaction is not normal or understandable.

 

[Midnight Judges]

It takes a very special type of person to think the NHL is biased against Montreal when the Canadiens had 10 power plays coming into this game to the Caps 5.

 

[Captain97]

Not charging, he coasts for like 10 feet before the hit, only leaves feet post contact.


Also why would he fight? It’s the playoffs and he’s a top 6 forward. I guess he’ll have to cope with you losing respect for him, we’ll have to wait and see if he values your respect over a chance at the Cup.

On the charging thing, I agree that's the way it's usually called but it's inconsistent I feel.

Regarding the fight, that's how hockey has always been, if you throw a borderline hit (I'm 99% sure its legal, but it toes the line) that injures a much smaller player and you get challenged you go.

If you're going to live by the sword die by the sword. Him not fighting upsets me for more than the hit. If Wilson wants to play like an old school hockey player he should accept the consequences of that.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

48.1 Illegal Check to the Head – A hit resulting in contact with an
opponent’s head where the head was the main point of contact and
such contact to the head was avoidable is not permitted.
In determining whether contact with an opponent's head was
avoidable, the circumstances of the hit including the following shall be
considered:
(i) Whether the player attempted to hit squarely through the
opponent’s body and the head was not "picked" as a result of poor
timing, poor angle of approach, or unnecessary extension of the
body upward or outward.
(ii) Whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position by
assuming a posture that made head contact on an otherwise full
body check unavoidable.
(iii) Whether the opponent materially changed the position of his body
or head immediately prior to or simultaneously with the hit in a way
that significantly contributed to the head contact.

Maybe I'm wrong or biased, but I don't really see how the head wasn't the main point of contact on the hit. I also didn't really see Carrier substantially change his position just prior to the hit so it's not like the head contact was unavoidable.

In the slow-mo video I posted earlier, you can clearly see his head jerk to the side before his body moved. Head was likely the primary point of contact. Could be neck though but given the concussion, I'm going with plastic armoured shoulder pad hit the jaw.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Because Wilson hits more of Carrier’s body than head, hope that helps.

No need to get condescending. I'm also not sure how hitting someone head-first with your shoulder and finishing through the head and neck is hitting more body than head.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

In the slow-mo video I posted earlier, you can clearly see his head jerk to the side before his body moved. Head was likely the primary point of contact. Could be neck though but given the concussion, I'm going with plastic armoured shoulder pad hit the jaw.

I think they define it as "main" point of contact now, but given that's where his entire shoulder follows through (to his credit he keeps his elbow down), I'm not sure how it wouldn't also be the main point of contact.

 

[Sting]

Habs have gotten bodied this series, especially in their own zone. A lot of Caps goals are mainly just Habs defenders saying "oh hey, you want his prime front of the net space? Go ahead, take it, I can't stop you anyway".

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

In the slow-mo video I posted earlier, you can clearly see his head jerk to the side before his body moved. Head was likely the primary point of contact. Could be neck though but given the concussion, I'm going with plastic armoured shoulder pad hit the jaw.

Where does the word “primary” appear in that rule?


Can Habs fans stop trying to Mandela effect the rule book lol

Primary and/or principal are not in the rule book

The guy literally posted the entire language and you’re quoting it to harp on a qualifier not in the language lol

 

[zappa4ever]

Put the work in, get results

 

[CowbellConray]

Another note on this - I thought Dobes' comments show that Montreal just isnt ready for this level of play. Thinking there would be a whistle? You guy is skating off the ice. It was a big hit - and Carrier was hurt - do we stop the play when a guy get hits in the ankle with a puck and hobbles off? No. The play was going on for another 5-6 seconds, you have to have the mental toughness to sharpen up and move forward with the play.

How about your other defenseman get's WALKED by Duhaime of all people allowing a clear backhand that knocks in? That's the main takeaway from the play.

Dobes is a great young goalie with serious upside, but he is learning too much from the vets on the team who are spending too much time worrying about Wilson and the Caps rather than playing their game. Montreal scoring on the PP is not enough to win a series against Washington

 

[Random schmoe]

In understanding how the NHL interprets and enforces potential violations of Rule 48 (Illegal Check to the Head) I would strongly encourage many people to watch the below video, where NHL Department of Player Safety very clearly breaks down what they mean by certain aspects of the rule. Especially the way they focus on the angle of approach, 'clipping' the front part of an opponent's body (and the head) vs going straight through the body.

Player Safety Examines Rule 48 -- Illegal Check to Head | NHL.com

Following recent rulings and confusion regarding Rule 48, the Department of Player Safety explains how they review hits that involves contact to the head

www.nhl.com

 

[Ol' Jase]

Because Wilson hits more of Carrier’s body than head, hope that helps.

But the video clearly shows that’s not true. Hope that helps.

 

[gtrower]

On the charging thing, I agree that's the way it's usually called but it's inconsistent I feel.

Regarding the fight, that's how hockey has always been, if you throw a borderline hit (I'm 99% sure its legal, but it toes the line) that injures a much smaller player and you get challenged you go.

If you're going to live by the sword die by the sword. Him not fighting upsets me for more than the hit. If Wilson wants to play like an old school hockey player he should accept the consequences of that.

I’ve got no problem with the Habs wanting to fight after that hit. It was legal, but that doesn’t even necessarily matter at that point. Your guy got hurt and you’ve got to stand up for him or it sends the message that it’s open season on your team without a response coming.

The question is whether Wilson should feel the need to accept the fight. For an illegal / suspendible hit I think it’s an obvious answer that yes you’ve got to answer the bell. But for a legal hit where the guy they’re sending to fight you is a substantially worse player then I’m not sure what the motivation for Wilson accepting the fight would be. It’s a bad move for his team. And it was a legal hit.

I’d even be sympathetic to the Habs for being pissed he turned down the fight. But it’s just a weird situation with Wilson being a top 6 talent who can hit like a plug.

 

[General Fanager]

The Habs goalie is to whining to the media that there should have been a whistle after the hit LOOL

He is partly right. There could have easily been a penalty on that play and even if there wasn't the refs almost always blow the play dead when a guy is in serious distress.

 

[Fatass]

curious to see what Anderson or Xhekaj might do in games 5, 6 and 7 keep your primary points of contact up!

Wilson is a top line player. He’s not dropping the mitts with knuckle heads who play the bottom of the Habs’ lineup. If the Habs have a top minute forward/D that will challenge him, then for sure he will oblige.