OT: Bears & NFL Talk 94

[Illinihockey]

Don’t know what anyone does for a living but if you’re one of the 10 best at your job in the world you’re probably making several millions of dollars a year

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Even crap NFL QBs generate loads more revenue than us plebs. If they didn't get paid, then billionaire owners and the Davises would just hoard more money.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Don’t know what anyone does for a living but if you’re one of the 10 best at your job in the world you’re probably making several millions of dollars a year

For sure. This isn’t a criticism of how much they’re making. Every now and then it’s baffling to see the huge difference between to their paycheck and the average American’s.

 

[hawksrule]

Don’t know what anyone does for a living but if you’re one of the 10 best at your job in the world you’re probably making several millions of dollars a year

Not sure about that. How much do you think the 10 best social workers make? The ten best fireman? Ten best nurses?

I had a hella good 7th grade English teacher. Problem is she couldn’t pack 80,000 into a stadium to watch her teach.

 

[HeisenBaez]

Lol at the Giants. That contract for the mediocre daniel jones? Just LOL. They saw SEA get stupid with Gene and went hold my beer.

 

[Sarava]

For the last month +, there's been quiet rumors the Titans want to make a big move up. Now it's supposedly them wanting CJ Stroud. So now with word Jeffery Simmons has scrubbed his Instagram of Titans stuff...

Assuming the Colts don't want to play ball here and make a trade, here's the next ideal scenario. Extort the #12 out of Houston in a swap of #1 and #2. This is with the idea that Houston highly likely want Bryce Young. You then turn to Carolina and Tennessee. Ask them for their best offer to move up to #2. Carolina you want a package based around Brian Burns, the #9 pick and a 24 1st, and Tennessee you want a package starting with Simmons, #11 and a 24 1st. See who adds more to that and go that route.

In the end, if Poles can come out of this with 2 picks in the 9-12 range, a 24 1st rounder and a young anchor to the d-line, that's a massive win for the Bears if he can pull that off.

 

[Illinihockey]

I’d rather get a future 1 than 12

 

[clydesdale line]

I’d rather get a future 1 than 12

Why not both? Barring a huge overpay by one team, Bears SHOULD be trading down quite a bit in this draft with teams and accumulate as much draft capital as possible.. this draft and the next one. This isn't a one year fix.

 

[Illinihockey]

Why not both? Barring a huge overpay by one team, Bears SHOULD be trading down quite a bit in this draft with teams and accumulate as much draft capital as possible.. this draft and the next one. This isn't a one year fix.

Because Houston isn’t paying 3 first round picks to move up one spot. They probably won’t pay 2

 

[plasmonresonance]

Lol at the Giants. That contract for the mediocre daniel jones? Just LOL. They saw SEA get stupid with Gene and went hold my beer.

I'd be pretty happy if Fields could have a similarly productive year as D Jones just had. D Jones isn't dynamic, but he was solid last year, accounted for ~4000 total yds, 22 TD and the lowest int% in the league, with a very mediocre recievng corp. Signing a solid, or average, QB in today's market is about $40 mil, especially once Burrow, L Jackson, Tua, Hurts, etc sign. Whether Jones will regress or improve next year is anybody's guess.

I agree that $35-40 mil for your standard okay QB seems like a crazy overpay, but the market seems to suggest otherwise. D Carr also got $37 mil and he isn't anything special.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

For the last month +, there's been quiet rumors the Titans want to make a big move up. Now it's supposedly them wanting CJ Stroud. So now with word Jeffery Simmons has scrubbed his Instagram of Titans stuff...

Assuming the Colts don't want to play ball here and make a trade, here's the next ideal scenario. Extort the #12 out of Houston in a swap of #1 and #2. This is with the idea that Houston highly likely want Bryce Young. You then turn to Carolina and Tennessee. Ask them for their best offer to move up to #2. Carolina you want a package based around Brian Burns, the #9 pick and a 24 1st, and Tennessee you want a package starting with Simmons, #11 and a 24 1st. See who adds more to that and go that route.

In the end, if Poles can come out of this with 2 picks in the 9-12 range, a 24 1st rounder and a young anchor to the d-line, that's a massive win for the Bears if he can pull that off.

Sorry but you're not getting Burns or Simmons + 1st round pick in a pick swap

Simmons a young 2nd team All Pro will be traded by Titans for value if he is moved. Also the scrubbing social media is tactic that is used every offseason to draw attention and speculation. Most players ultimately are signed and then put it right back up

And why would Panthers move one of the best young pass rushers in NFL (12.5 sacks this past season) with 1st to move up?

 

[Illinihockey]

Sorry but you're not getting Burns or Simmons + 1st round pick in a pick swap

Simmons a young 2nd team All Pro will be traded by Titans for value if he is moved. Also the scrubbing social media is tactic that is used every offseason to draw attention and speculation. Most players ultimately are signed and then put it right back up

And why would Panthers move one of the best young pass rushers in NFL (12.5 sacks this past season) with 1st to move up?

Because they don’t want to give up multiple future firsts and additional picks in this draft

 

[hawksrule]

General vibe is that Chicago is going to get a real haul. I’ll be disappointed if we don’t.

 

[plasmonresonance]

General vibe is that Chicago is going to get a real haul. I’ll be disappointed if we don’t.

Agree, and I hope the haul doesn't come at the cost of missing out on W Anderson, but it might.

 

[Illinihockey]

Agree, and I hope the haul doesn't come at the cost of missing out on W Anderson, but it might.

Depends on the haul

 

[Sarava]

Sorry but you're not getting Burns or Simmons + 1st round pick in a pick swap

Simmons a young 2nd team All Pro will be traded by Titans for value if he is moved. Also the scrubbing social media is tactic that is used every offseason to draw attention and speculation. Most players ultimately are signed and then put it right back up

And why would Panthers move one of the best young pass rushers in NFL (12.5 sacks this past season) with 1st to move up?

I thought the Houston trade was the more unrealistic one I had there lol. Teams that struggle to find QB's will move pieces they think are more easily replaced to fill that QB slot.

Trading up to #1 or #2 to get a QB is going to hurt. There's no getting around that. It hurt the Bears to move from #20 to #11 for Fields. This is way more amplified than that.

I’d rather get a future 1 than 12

I'd be ok either way. I'd probably agree with you, but you know that would be the Cleveland 24 pick, not the Houston one. They wont give that up for this.

 

[Mrfenn92]

 

[HeisenBaez]

I'd be pretty happy if Fields could have a similarly productive year as D Jones just had. D Jones isn't dynamic, but he was solid last year, accounted for ~4000 total yds, 22 TD and the lowest int% in the league, with a very mediocre recievng corp. Signing a solid, or average, QB in today's market is about $40 mil, especially once Burrow, L Jackson, Tua, Hurts, etc sign. Whether Jones will regress or improve next year is anybody's guess.

I agree that $35-40 mil for your standard okay QB seems like a crazy overpay, but the market seems to suggest otherwise. D Carr also got $37 mil and he isn't anything special.

Thats the problems, carr/jones/Smith should not be getting paid (AAV) anywhere close to what elite QBs like Mahomes are getting. Thats the reason for the "LOL at the Giants." 4.

 

[hawksrule]

 

[Sarava]

Strange the Titans aren't on there. They've been quietly rumored to want the #1 for at least a month now. But as said, for the Bears to move that far down, they would have to pay dearly. It would start with Simmons. And it feels highly likely that the team Poles was referring to that offered the 3 #1's would be them.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

 

[Sarava]

You wonder what those dopes in New York will give up for a QB who already has one foot in retirement.

 

[Malaka]

Why is this a betting line? I don’t get sports anymore.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Why is this a betting line? I don’t get sports anymore.

Because casino's like money.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

There’s talk that the WWE is trying to push for regulators to allow gambling on their scripted matches.

If there’s a will, there’s a way to make money off that degeneracy.