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Will be so fun to watch Packers and Vikes get eliminated in back to back days

Darnold had another ball early in then second q that should have been picked.

GIADF said:
Darnold seeing ghosts. He’s afraid to throw it period.
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I hate to say it but I reminds me of a qb we know. You can tell when a qb is rattled.
 
Romang67 said:
The Packers were a finger tip away from losing twice to the Lions, twice to the Packers, twice to the Bears, and twice to the Eagles.

Which would have been really funny.
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Packers losing twice to the Packers would be quite the feat.
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I don't want McCarthy but it kinda feels inevitable. Feels like the kind of quick hire that Poles thinks will save his job.
 
Paul Allen said:
I’ll actually be fine with McCarthy at this point. He’s won a Super Bowl and can get a team to the playoffs. He’d be the best coach the Bears have hired ever, sadly.
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No thanks...he flamed out in GB. Somehow had a losing record while Rodgers threw 25 td's and 2 picks that season. And he is 1-4 in playoff games for Dallas.

On another note - I am concerned about how the Bears are handling this coaching search. Last I heard it was up to 20 people they were interviewing. What could possibly be the point? How is it that they don't this narrowed down to 5 or 6 people by this point? Or is this charade all to get the opinions of 20-ish different NFL people on what the Bears doing wrong?

I think it feels like it's one of two things...either they have no idea who they want to hire... which would be really sad, as they had a long lead-up from firing Flus to the end of the season to get their thoughts gathered.

Or it's smartest guy in the room syndrome, which is even scarier, because they've proven they're not all that smart. And that line of thinking will lead to them doing something stupid like hiring the next Mark Trestman.

They've already lost out on Vrabel. Ok, he as always going to go back to Boston. But don't lose out on Ben Johnson now.
 
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Blackhawkswincup said:
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Complete joke

Sanders has never coached a starting qb at any level outside of his son

Not to mention his entire game plan was to pad the stats of his his kid and Hunter. 60 yards rushing and 37 pass attempts per game and never took them out in lopsided games. Zero commitment to the trenches

Cant coach Daddy Ball in the NFL
 
Deion Sanders to Dallas just seems like a matter of when, not if, at this point. Then either Tennessee or Cleveland will have Dallas by the balls as you know Dallas is going to trade for him.

I wonder if they could come up with a deal that involves Dak. Something like 2025 12th OA pick, 2026 1st, and Dak for 1 OA. Maybe add like a second to that if that's what it takes.

If I'm TEN I don't think I like either QB enough in this draft to pass up an offer like that, and I can't think of many big-time paid players they have so I would think they could squeeze in Dak's cap hit.
 
If the Bears can't land Johnson, I think I'm starting to change my tune on McCarthy a bit.

Yeah, he burnt out in GB eventually but he was also there for 13 seasons. His record in GB was 125-77-2 and they obviously won a Super Bowl. His Dallas record despite dealing with an even crazier Jerruh in his final years on this planet was a respectable 49-35. Won the division twice in Dallas and made the playoffs 3 of 5 years. The two years he didn't make the playoffs, well one was his first year there which Dak missed 11 games and then this year when Dak missed 9 games.

I think we could do a hell of a lot worse than him at this point especially given they're interviewing anyone and everyone under the son. I'd probably take him over a 70+ year old and defensive minded Pete Carrol.

That’s a better resume than Lovie who so many Bears fans still love yet he can’t keep a HC job at this point.
 
Out of all the Bears’ head coaches since Wannstedt, only John Fox has had HC experience. The only rookie HC with sustained “success” has been Lovie. And he’s not even an NFL coach anymore.
 
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McCarthy is a passenger. Sure, he doesn't detract as much as Eberflus did, but he's not remotely a guy to bring anything out of his players.

A stale, muddy glass of water might be better than the putrid grime we've been consuming as of late, but let's not act like this is a refreshing drink here.
 
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No Fun Shogun said:
McCarthy is a passenger. Sure, he doesn't detract as much as Eberflus did, but he's not remotely a guy to bring anything out of his players.

A stale, muddy glass of water might be better than the putrid grime we've been consuming as of late, but let's not act like this is a refreshing drink here.
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Disagree.

You don't luck your way into 174 coaching wins, a Super Bowl, and career .608 winning %. 13th all time in coaching wins in the NFL and win 19 more wins he'll be in the top 10. At 61 I think it's safe to say that's a realistic jump in the standings for him.

When did Aaron Rodgers go full crazy? Is there any connection between that happening and when McCarthy was fired and maybe McCarthy helped keep him in check all those years? Genuinely asking.
 
His numbers were with prime Rodgers and with an also very good Dak Prescott. At a certain point, you look at the talent he had, and kind of do point to a good situation as being the culprit of his success. He was fortunate to be hired into two positions set up for longterm success and without an ownership that felt the need to fire people suddenly, so he had time to build up his wins totals.

And a knock that's been used against the Packers is that they didn't win more with Rodgers, who had an argument as one of the greatest QBs ever while in Green Bay. A lot of that has to do with management making some dumb decisions, for sure, but winning a single Super Bowl with Rodgers is like winning a single Super Bowl with Peyton Manning. Not laudatory, but that's it?

You are right that Rodgers went more masks off post-McCarthy, so maybe he's a good temperance figure on the crazies, but time period-wise a lot of people lost their minds post-covid and their relationship to McCarthy wasn't a defining factor. Maybe connected, maybe coincidental.

When he was a Packer coach, loads of Packers fans griped constantly about his dumb coaching. When he was a Cowboys coach, loads of Cowboys fans griped constantly about his dumb coaching. Fully expect that trend to continue and then some if he's a Bear or a Saint or a Jet coach, especially without the depth of talent or peak of talent that his first two teams had.
 
No Fun Shogun said:
His numbers were with prime Rodgers and with an also very good Dak Prescott. At a certain point, you look at the talent he had, and kind of do point to a good situation as being the culprit of his success. He was fortunate to be hired into two positions set up for longterm success and without an ownership that felt the need to fire people suddenly, so he had time to build up his wins totals.

And a knock that's been used against the Packers is that they didn't win more with Rodgers, who had an argument as one of the greatest QBs ever while in Green Bay. A lot of that has to do with management making some dumb decisions, for sure, but winning a single Super Bowl with Rodgers is like winning a single Super Bowl with Peyton Manning. Not laudatory, but that's it?

You are right that Rodgers went more masks off post-McCarthy, so maybe he's a good temperance figure on the crazies, but time period-wise a lot of people lost their minds post-covid and their relationship to McCarthy wasn't a defining factor. Maybe connected, maybe coincidental.

When he was a Packer coach, loads of Packers fans griped constantly about his dumb coaching. When he was a Cowboys coach, loads of Cowboys fans griped constantly about his dumb coaching. Fully expect that trend to continue and then some if he's a Bear or a Saint or a Jet coach, especially without the depth of talent or peak of talent that his first two teams had.
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I fully expect that trend to continue and then some no matter who the coach is. Bears fans, traumatized by years of incompetence, can’t seem to stop bitching or even slow down a bit.
 
McCarthy would be a milquetoast hire, wholly uninspiring, and would immediately call into question whether the Bears organization has any aspiration to become a powerhouse, or just to not be an embarrassing clown show.

Which, unfortunately, would be a massive upgrade over what it has been since essentially the 80s.

At least McCarthy seemingly understands the value of an offensive line.
 
Romang67 said:
McCarthy would be a milquetoast hire, wholly uninspiring, and would immediately call into question whether the Bears organization has any aspiration to become a powerhouse, or just to not be an embarrassing clown show.

Which, unfortunately, would be a massive upgrade over what it has been since essentially the 80s.

At least McCarthy seemingly understands the value of an offensive line.
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That’s where I’m at, don’t love it but it just shows how pathetic this organization has been for decades. Similar to how Cutty is the best QB the Bears have had.
 
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