Barzal or Dobson? Who would you rather see traded?

[The Real JT]

Let’s assume that the return for Dobson vs Barzal will be substantially better given his #1 RHD ceiling.

I’d choose to trade Dobson and not because I’m averse to flipping Barzal. Dobson still has the aura of untapped high end potential and #13 frankly has lost that.

It’s a gamble losing Dobson but signing him to an 8 year deal and then having buyer’s remorse is a realistic possibility. Get a valuable NHL ready asset for him and move on to the next chapter.

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[Glory Days]

Let’s assume that the return for Dobson vs Barzal will be substantially better given his #1 RHD ceiling.

I’d choose to trade Dobson and not because I’m averse to flipping Barzal. Dobson still has the aura of untapped high end potential and #13 frankly has lost that.

It’s a gamble losing Dobson but signing him to an 8 year deal and then having buyer’s remorse is a realistic possibility. Get a valuable NHL ready asset for him and move on to the next chapter.

We don’t know what other GM’a think of Barzy. If we found a taker that brought back a young player I would move him first. I’m thinking EP or Brady T type return. Or multiple picks from a team like Seattle to bring the local boy home.

 

[MJF]

Let’s assume that the return for Dobson vs Barzal will be substantially better given his #1 RHD ceiling.

I’d choose to trade Dobson and not because I’m averse to flipping Barzal. Dobson still has the aura of untapped high end potential and #13 frankly has lost that.

It’s a gamble losing Dobson but signing him to an 8 year deal and then having buyer’s remorse is a realistic possibility. Get a valuable NHL ready asset for him and move on to the next chapter.

I choose Barzal, just to get out from under his contract. Also for the fact that for 8 years the team has been trying to find a player to “unleash” Barzy’s unique skill and it hasn’t worked. He should never be the focal point of a team that is re-something. When would we see his benefit? In Year 12 when Eiserman makes the team? No thanks. Move him while you can get a player in return who is truly is an elite talent and actually had Bo Horvat on a 50 goal pace.

 

[iago]

I choose Barzal, just to get out from under his contract. Also for the fact that for 8 years the team has been trying to find a player to “unleash” Barzy’s unique skill and it hasn’t worked. He should never be the focal point of a team that is re-something. When would we see his benefit? In Year 12 when Eiserman makes the team? No thanks. Move him while you can get a player in return who is truly is an elite talent and actually had Bo Horvat on a 50 goal pace.

What would you add to Barzal to get EP40 ? I don't think you get him for Barzal alone, and this comes from a fan with no skin in this game.

 

[MJF]

What would you add to Barzal to get EP40 ? I don't think you get him for Barzal alone, and this comes from a fan with no skin in this game.

I would redo the deal and hold Dobson out of it. See if they would take Barzal and someone else like Cizikas to have a fit under both teams caps. It’s been said Tocchet likes Cizikas.

I’m not ready to give up on a RHD who is only 25, considering the Patrick Roy-Tommy Albelin combo has produced a dumpster fire defense that suddenly can’t defend below the D zone hashmarks.

 

[The Real JT]

I would redo the deal and hold Dobson out of it. See if they would take Barzal and someone else like Cizikas to have a fit under both teams caps. It’s been said Tocchet likes Cizikas.

I’m not ready to give up on a RHD who is only 25, considering the Patrick Roy-Tommy Albelin combo has produced a dumpster fire defense that suddenly can’t defend below the D zone hashmarks.

Re: Cizikas
I see him as having negative value. If we were the Rags I’d be more inclined to believe there was a team out there that valued him enough to deem him an addition to a Barzal trade.

Trading Dobson is a huge risk, no doubt. I can see his offense bouncing back but his lack of toughness and intensity won’t be fixed I suspect. While they are different players, I see his next contract ending up like the Nurse and Jones deals.

 

[MJF]

Re: Cizikas
I see him as having negative value. If we were the Rags I’d be more inclined to believe there was a team out there that valued him enough to deem him an addition to a Barzal trade.

Trading Dobson is a huge risk, no doubt. I can see his offense bouncing back but his lack of toughness and intensity won’t be fixed I suspect. While they are different players, I see his next contract ending up like the Nurse and Jones deals.

I need Dobson to score and be sound defensively. He’s had 2 coaching staffs that have been just dreadful. So I’m willing to give Noah the benefit of the doubt provided his agent isn’t looking for 8/64M.

 

[seabass45]

What would you add to Barzal to get EP40 ? I don't think you get him for Barzal alone, and this comes from a fan with no skin in this game.

This is an interesting debate bc I’m not sure how to value the two comparatively. I think everyone agrees that Petterson is better but Petterson is also making over two mil more per year. Theres also more dysfunction in Vancouver, speculation about fit with coaching, etc. Does that bridge the gap somewhat as far as trade value goes? I don’t know. But I’m skeptical of the need to include one of the 2025 first rounder or Dobson to bridge that gap (to say nothing about the proposal on the trade board that includes both, geez). I don’t know what makes sense as the middle ground though.

 

[NYI365]

I trade Barzal over Dobson without question. Record without Barzal speaks for itself

 

[crashthenet]

I like the Idea of sending Dobson and JGP (1mile retained) to LAK. What's the return though? Spence is an expendable piece. They will have a first this year but what's the value. Is Greentree a piece?

West is up for grabs. LA with sone adds can certainly compete,

Not loving Barzal these days but we lose our second line at or after the deadline. Horvat centers line one next year and Baezal two,

I'm ok without Dobson.

 

[Lek]

It is not really a one over the other situation - different positions. You take the trade with the best return that helps you moving forward. I have three on team and one prospect I keep no matter what. These two are not one of them.

It is not really a one over the other situation - different positions. You take the trade with the best return that helps you moving forward. Even if it is both. I have three on team and one prospect I keep no matter what. These two are not one of them.

 

[The Real JT]

My preference to trade Dobson over Barzal is not because I am enamored with Barzal. Barzal’s contract at this point in time, and perhaps long term, is an overpayment.

Now onto Dobson: His career and his trade value are at inflection points. His next contract may be a steal and he could become the cornerstone of the Isles defense. If he continues to disappoint, we may alternatively be left with an undesirable contract long term and lose out on the chance to flip him for a sizable and more reliable haul. I shudder at that prospect.

 

[Kevin27NYI]

Barzy shows a pulse in the playoffs

 

[Throttle]

I choose Barzal, just to get out from under his contract. Also for the fact that for 8 years the team has been trying to find a player to “unleash” Barzy’s unique skill and it hasn’t worked. He should never be the focal point of a team that is re-something. When would we see his benefit? In Year 12 when Eiserman makes the team? No thanks. Move him while you can get a player in return who is truly is an elite talent and actually had Bo Horvat on a 50 goal pace.

This is the simplest version of the story that cuts across it all.

 

[Throttle]

My preference to trade Dobson over Barzal is not because I am enamored with Barzal. Barzal’s contract at this point in time, and perhaps long term, is an overpayment.

Now onto Dobson: His career and his trade value are at inflection points. His next contract may be a steal and he could become the cornerstone of the Isles defense. If he continues to disappoint, we may alternatively be left with an undesirable contract long term and lose out on the chance to flip him for a sizable and more reliable haul. I shudder at that prospect.

Dobson at anything over $6.5M is a hard no and huge risk to this franchise.

Folks need to look at the Dobson and Barzal had their best statistical seasons last year during a coach on the fence (and fired) and new coach that just tried to see what he had, ie they had more freedom (and Muf ups) because of it.

All signs to Barzal having freedom don’t really lead to much more benefit to the team overall.

 

[BelovedIsles]

Both.

 

[Big L]

What’s in barzals contract about movement

 

[doublechili]

Did Dobson's game going south roughly coincide with Roy's arrival? I'd hesitate to give up on a guy who was looking like the stud RHD that everyone wants and risk him becoming that elsewhere under another coach.

 

[seabass45]

What’s in barzals contract about movement

22 team NTC.

Did Dobson's game going south roughly coincide with Roy's arrival? I'd hesitate to give up on a guy who was looking like the stud RHD that everyone wants and risk him becoming that elsewhere under another coach.

It did, and at the end of last season I think the consensus was that he ran out of steam taking on more responsibility with injuries to Pulock and Mayfield. However, we're not dealing with that issue now and he's still having problems so...

 

[Big L]

22 team NTC.

It did, and at the end of last season I think the consensus was that he ran out of steam taking on more responsibility with injuries to Pulock and Mayfield. However, we're not dealing with that issue now and he's still having problems so...

A) at this moment, then, probably a lot easier to trade Dobson. The OPs premise is flawed.

B) interesting. I’m not a fan of Roy, don’t think he has done anything to elevate this team, so therefore the demise of Dobson upon Roy’s arrival is intriguing…

 

[MarsTBOW]

Barzy over Dobson if it will get this deal done.
Waiting on Dealing Dobson (If you have too) at the deadline might bring a bigger return.
Is Dobson Fixable? Or Is He A Marsh-Mellow For Life is the question....
Barzy ain't fixable....

 

[seabass45]

B) interesting. I’m not a fan of Roy, don’t think he has done anything to elevate this team, so therefore the demise of Dobson upon Roy’s arrival is intriguing…

Would be interested in hearing Hickey’s thoughts about this, he might have some good insight as to the differences between how Roy has used him vs. Lambert and why he’s struggling.

 

[The Real JT]

Dobson at anything over $6.5M is a hard no and huge risk to this franchise.

Folks need to look at the Dobson and Barzal had their best statistical seasons last year during a coach on the fence (and fired) and new coach that just tried to see what he had, ie they had more freedom (and Muf ups) because of it.

All signs to Barzal having freedom don’t really lead to much more benefit to the team overall.

While I don’t think he’s earned it, I don’t see Dobson signing for anything less than $8M x 8 yrs. Is that risk worth it for the franchise?

If he stays and signs a deal like that, I’d say the franchise is f’d. I don’t deny he could blossom under a new regime but I’m scared of the alternative scenario.

Both.

I’m surprised it took so long for that answer. And you’re not wrong but hard to imagine both would go.

 

[BelovedIsles]

I’m surprised it took so long for that answer. And you’re not wrong but hard to imagine both would go.

I’m fully committed to a rebuild; my apologies to the board for making it so apparent.

This team is rudderless; I can tolerate a team losing with a directive plan. This team is flailing around in the bottom tier of the league.

 

[mm11]

This is an interesting debate bc I’m not sure how to value the two comparatively. I think everyone agrees that Petterson is better but Petterson is also making over two mil more per year. Theres also more dysfunction in Vancouver, speculation about fit with coaching, etc. Does that bridge the gap somewhat as far as trade value goes? I don’t know. But I’m skeptical of the need to include one of the 2025 first rounder or Dobson to bridge that gap (to say nothing about the proposal on the trade board that includes both, geez). I don’t know what makes sense as the middle ground though.

Put barzal with the firepower Vancouver has and he flirts with 100 points playing with a chip on his shoulder. Much rather dangle Dobson.