Barkov contract

[Gizmoskevich]

Newwwssss

 

[PSLguy]

Article from David Dwork:

https://www.local10.com/sports/2021...a-barkov-progressing-but-still-moving-slowly/

 

[KW]

You have to feel somewhat nervous. If you say you have “zero concerns”, you’re lying to yourself.

Having said that, I’m confident in Zito. He’ll get something done.

If it was Tallon, I’d be a nervous wreck

 

[StrangeVision]

I have to be honest, I'm a bit disappointed. I thought if anyone would be willing to take a hometown discount it'd be Barkov. I get their careers are short and they need to maximize earnings yada yada...still, he's going to get millions upon millions no matter what, at some point it becomes purely extraneous. If they're chiseling for every cent, idk. Obviously it won't affect Barkov or his play or how I feel about his role on the team, but it would have been nice to see the captain, one of the top players in the league, take a quick discount in order to win a Cup with the Panthers. I'm just surprised it's seemingly been this difficult to sign him.

 

[Gizmoskevich]

I have to be honest, I'm a bit disappointed. I thought if anyone would be willing to take a hometown discount it'd be Barkov. I get their careers are short and they need to maximize, earning yada yada...still, he's going to get millions upon millions no matter what, at some point it becomes purely extraneous. If they're chiseling for every cent, idk. Obviously it won't affect Barkov or his play or how I feel about his role on the team, but it would have been nice to see the captain, one of the top players in the league, take a quick discount in order to win a Cup with the Panthers. I'm just surprised it's seemingly been this difficult to sign him.

It might not even come down to a dollar amount. Barkov and his agent might want something like a full NTC and the team might be hesitant, when looking at how the other signings have gone during Zito's tenure. Even if it is $$ based, Barkov deserves to get paid a fair share after making less than $6mil/year for the last 5 seasons or so. He'll still likely be giving some sort of home town discount, just don't expect anything south of $11 million IMO.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

It might not even come down to a dollar amount. Barkov and his agent might want something like a full NTC and the team might be hesitant, when looking at how the other signings have gone during Zito's tenure. Even if it is $$ based, Barkov deserves to get paid a fair share after making less than $6mil/year for the last 5 seasons or so. He'll still likely be giving some sort of home town discount, just don't expect anything south of $11 million IMO.

I think the signing bonus money may be the hold up.

Next three years collectively, we pay out 16.2 mil, 17.3 mil and 15 mil per then it drops down to around 5 mil per. That's the year I think Bob is moved in a trade.

Maybe they're trying to find a happy medium where Barkov gets paid up front but also gets his signing bonus money at the backend of the deal?

Bob gets 33 mil of the total 70 mil in signing bonus so you gotta think, Todd Diamond is pushing hard for at least half of the 80-90mil Barkov will get **assuming 7-8yr deal**, in signing bonuses.

 

[Ryuji Yamazaki]

If it was Tallon, I’d be a nervous wreck

Same here man. Knowing Tallon, we would NOT trade him at the deadline, lose the first round or not make the playoffs, then lose Barkov for nothing.

 

[Ratsreign]

Same here man. Knowing Tallon, we would NOT trade him at the deadline, lose the first round or not make the playoffs, then lose Barkov for nothing.

Tallon loves Barky, woulda already re-upped him for 8yrs @ $15 million per

 

[Henkka]

10 Million dollar man. Worth more than that, but doesn't want to take more.

Because he thinks the team culture.

 

[avenger]

Not that simple. If you're a super star player right now, you may not want an 8 year contract that locks you in at a lower AAV than what you could get when the cap goes up. We've also seen with other teams (i.e. leafs), paying the absolute top dollar means the team is less able to field a competitive team - if your captain squeezes the team for every dollar, you can bet everybody else will want to as well and the opposite is also true if the captain and leader of your team took slightly less.

Based strictly on performance, Barkov deserves an $11M contract and I would not hold it against him, but it's not debatable that a lower AAV would help the team win. So he has to decide what his priority is, getting paid 10% more or having a better chance to win.

hockey is the business of every player ... it is clear that you need to go for discounts, then you can agree to play for 8-8.5 ... ??? why not! the chances of winning the cup against the Panthers will be very high !!! ... ???

 

[pantherbot]

hockey is the business of every player ... it is clear that you need to go for discounts, then you can agree to play for 8-8.5 ... ??? why not! the chances of winning the cup against the Panthers will be very high !!! ... ???

I think there can be a happy medium where a player gets paid very generously and can also help the team win. It's a choice every player has to make, get paid more or have a better opportunity to win. It's not rocket science. If you don't think a player like Crosby took a discount to have a better chance of winning the cup, you're being delusional. It's well within any players right to negotiate for the maximum pay, but it will impact their team's ability to compete.

I'd even argue for a super star player, it may even make financial sense to have a better chance at winning since your potential salary upside will always be limited by the cap, but your endorsement dollars are unlimited and winning brings in more dollars. Imagine if the big three in Toronto all took $1M less, they may have won a cup by now. That legacy would pay them in perpetuity...

 

[IM Clutcm]

Tallon loves Barky, woulda already re-upped him for 8yrs @ $15 million per

Right, I'd be nervous, but because of the pending cap hit, not that the deal wouldn't get done.

 

[SoupyFIN]

It might not even come down to a dollar amount. Barkov and his agent might want something like a full NTC and the team might be hesitant, when looking at how the other signings have gone during Zito's tenure.

If this is the reason, I'm gonna be pretty disappointed in Zito. You don't play hardball on a NMC or NTC with your franchise player in his prime.

 

[Gentle Man]

One of the reasons Boston has sustained success is how their players were and continue to sign. I think Bergeron had a lot to do with that. He signed for under 11% of the cap.

Would be nice if Barkov signs for around that same percentage...which would be 8.76M

 

[Chaos2k7]

One of the reasons Boston has sustained success is how their players were and continue to sign. I think Bergeron had a lot to do with that. He signed for under 11% of the cap.

Would be nice if Barkov signs for around that same percentage...which would be 8.76M

I don't see a penny less than Bob. And he actually deserves it. Sign him.

10 would be at a discount.

 

[Cats2TheCup]

If this is the reason, I'm gonna be pretty disappointed in Zito. You don't play hardball on a NMC or NTC with your franchise player in his prime.

Dude exactly. Only strategy I can imagine right now is he's hardballing Barkov bcuz Huby's agents are watching etc. Can't let the situation get out of hand like Toronto. Especially with Bob pooping all over the cap. But still, seems like too huge a gamble. Would have preferred to have seen him do this to the Sam's, not our captain MVP selke winner in his prime who might score 100 pts this season and win a cup. Unless Barky agreed to this for optics. But now I'm just in a fantasy land. I just want to get it done. This can't be lingering over Barkys head this season. Over this franchise. Would be very big dark cloud all year. Zito hasn't done anything to make us not trust him yet, so I'm still going to trust that he's smarter than us and got a big W up his sleeve. Doesn't mean I'm not going to be nervous.

 

[Gentle Man]

I don't see a penny less than Bob. And he actually deserves it. Sign him.

10 would be at a discount.

Yea probably. But you know, new regime and whatnot.


I actually think the holdup might be term. I think Zito is massaging the terms so that he can hold out till Bob expires and or the cap expires.

 

[Chaos2k7]

Yea probably. But you know, new regime and whatnot.


I actually think the holdup might be term. I think Zito is massaging the terms so that he can hold out till Bob expires and or the cap expires.

5 years would be fine IMO. Window would be wide open.

 

[Gentle Man]

5 years would be fine IMO. Window would be wide open.

Yep thats where I am at. I think it's going to be 3-5 years

 

[pantherbot]

One of the reasons Boston has sustained success is how their players were and continue to sign. I think Bergeron had a lot to do with that. He signed for under 11% of the cap.

Would be nice if Barkov signs for around that same percentage...which would be 8.76M

I don't see a penny less than Bob. And he actually deserves it. Sign him.

10 would be at a discount.

Yeah I don't expect Barkov to sign for $9M, but it would be nice to keep it around $10M to set an example for the rest of the team. I'm not hoping for some massive home team discount, but it would be nice to be a bit below some of the recent comparables that are trying to max dollars

 

[Gizmoskevich]

One of the reasons Boston has sustained success is how their players were and continue to sign. I think Bergeron had a lot to do with that. He signed for under 11% of the cap.

Would be nice if Barkov signs for around that same percentage...which would be 8.76M

Bergeron signed that in what, 2013?

Look at what even mediocre players got this past year, flat cap be damned. I don't see him getting less than 11

 

[pantherbot]

Yep thats where I am at. I think it's going to be 3-5 years

Yeah I'm increasingly thinking this may be down to term. A shorter term may work for both parties. Say Barkov takes 3/4 years, he'll still be only 29 and probably playing at an elite level. In 3/4 years the cap will probably be higher and we may be rid of Bob's contract, then he can sign an 8-year deal with a relatively high AAV to take him through to 37/38 and then he can retire or do short 1-year contracts. If he signed an 8-year deal now, that would take him to 34 when he may be on the decline and maybe he won't be able to get as good a contract afterwards. Also have to take into account escrow will be much higher in the next couple years, so the more a player can push the higher earnings years out, that may be more beneficial.

Say he takes 8x$12 now and then 4x$5M later, that's total $116M. But if he took 4x$9M now and then 8x$12M later, that's total $132M. Factor in lower escrow in a few years and he makes more money that way, plus the team probably has a better chance to win over a longer period of time.

Of course the shorter contract now has risks for both sides. If Barkov gets a career ending injury or something that severely limits his play, he loses out on his second contract. For the team, obviously Barkov could walk after the first contract if things go sour. But for Barkov, it's not like he hasn't already made a lot of money and his next contract will still set him up for life. And for the team, as long as they keep him happy the second contract should be no problem.

 

[Gentle Man]

Bergeron signed that in what, 2013?

Look at what even mediocre players got this past year, flat cap be damned. I don't see him getting less than 11

Yep. But thats why I said cap%.

Mind you 10M AAV (about 12.2% isnt a huge leap from) from the figure I mentioned above. But it would allow the team better cap flexibility. When you are up against it, every little bit helps.

But thats on him whether he cares about that or not.

 

[Little Bobby Boo]

All players, Barkov included, should push to make as much as possible on a long deal. "team culture" doesn't go very far for players who sustain career-ending injuries.

Hoping for 9.5x8 (Brayden Point), expecting 10.5x7.

 

[Jean Luc Discard]

Yep. But thats why I said cap%.

Mind you 10M AAV (about 12.2% isnt a huge leap from) from the figure I mentioned above. But it would allow the team better cap flexibility. When you are up against it, every little bit helps.

But thats on him whether he cares about that or not.

I don't think the hold up is with the AAVs. Just take Point's contract, add a mil on top and call it a day.
The thing is that the signing bonuses aka guaranteed dough regardless of whether games are being played or not due to lockout or lockdown (kovid). The difference between Point's percentage of signing bonuses versus the bonuses% that Matthews has equals to $3.7mil on a $10.5mil AAV (and more if games are not played when he should be bankrolling majority of that dough).

e: Moreover I think that Zito tries to finesse this deal to the max in order to let the rest of the league know what a shrewd negotiator he is.