Barkov as Florida's Captain

[KW]

Barkov isn't the problem. The gulf in talent between Tampa and Florida is not so great as for a series sweep, and yet here we are.

The problem is standing behind the bench. I think now that the team is on its way out the door, we can acknowledge that turning the keys over to a total novice was a huge gamble and it didn't pay off.

I agree. I argued a lot against Bruno when he took the reigns, but I changed my mind partly because results improved and partly because there were so many supporters insuring he’d learn in time for playoffs.

When Zito went all out with the trades, I got worried. I was afraid Bruno wouldn’t be able to integrate G and Chia in time while giving them major roles. Bruno is a nice, thoughtful guy with good hockey knowledge and instincts BUT he’s not assertive enough. With an assertive coach this team, weak character captain included, would do well.

If Zito plans the roster and coach with Bolts in mind, they’ll do much better in playoffs next season. Home ice means nothing if you aren’t able to defend it.

 

[SatanicToedrag]

Barkov has been absolutely fine not counting this last game. When he and/or Verheaghe are on ice, Florida has scored 17 goals. When they are not on the ice, Florida has scored 6 goals. Maybe someone else should contribute too.

 

[Mogo]

Hornqvist should take over as coach

I hope he doesnt waive his NMC

 

[teugen]

Barkov isn't the problem. The gulf in talent between Tampa and Florida is not so great as for a series sweep, and yet here we are.

The problem is standing behind the bench. I think now that the team is on its way out the door, we can acknowledge that turning the keys over to a total novice was a huge gamble and it didn't pay off.

Imagine Bruno getting awarded with Jack Adams while he is getting fired to the moon.

 

[KW]

I hope he doesnt waive his NMC

He might, unless we get a new coach.

Imagine Bruno getting awarded with Jack Adams while he is getting fired to the moon.

Talk about sending (the right) message.

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

Pavel Datsyuk who shares a lot of similarities with Barkov, had his playoff struggles early on and he had some great players to share the load with.

I see Barkov as a similar player. He gives his team a safety netting, guy who you can always rely upon to do his thing and that's invaluable in creating a consistent culture for your team, but come playoff time you need others to step up to be the difference maker.

 

[Felidae]

Title says it all. Does this team come out the way it does and play the way it does because Barkov does not seem to show the passion or urgency? Do we need a new leader? He just seems way to passive. We have seen multi seasons with slow starts or team isn't ready to play. Even under Q it seemed like they just were never ready to play.

Barkov wearing the "C" doesnt really matter. That doesn't mean there isn't another leader on the team that just happens to not wear a letter on their jersey.

His offensive play has been uninspiring, but being captain has nothing to do with it.

 

[Great8Cam]

Barkov wearing the "C" doesnt really matter. That doesn't mean there isn't another leader on the team that just happens to not wear a letter on their jersey.

His offensive play has been uninspiring, but being captain has nothing to do with it.

That leader is Horny and he is a better coach than Sleepy and D Mack.

 

[KW]

That leader is Horny and he is a better coach than Sleepy and D Mack.

And he isn’t even “from” here (Panthers). That’s depressing and embarrassing.

Basically, my greatest feeling right now is “embarrassing”. Not playing hard and not adjusting, for some reason that I’ll never understand. I guess they WANT to be done.

 

[Great8Cam]

The type of coach that you need just beat the Canes, and look at his fire at the end of that game with the BS that Domi tried at the end. Of course, we let him go because the calculator boys wanted Coach Elmer Fudd to get behind the bench. That was another embarrassing time in Panther history.

 

[batting1k]

Barkov wearing the "C" doesnt really matter. That doesn't mean there isn't another leader on the team that just happens to not wear a letter on their jersey.

His offensive play has been uninspiring, but being captain has nothing to do with it.

This.

Of all the things to question, I’m not questioning Barkov’s impact on this team. And behind closed doors I’d bet there’s no one on the team questioning him either.

 

[FrolikFan67]

You don’t necessarily have to be loud, but you should naturally be able to lead if you’re the captain. He was given the C solely due to the fact that he was the best player. That’s a common trend amongst teams. You have Barkov on one end of the spectrum and you have Dmac on the opposite side of the spectrum, a vet who probably deserves it in theory but isn’t an impact player. You prefer to have you captain be one of your top players but they need those qualities too. Ekblad should be the captain. He shows passion, he leads our D, former 1st overall for the club, one of the best D for the past couple years, and has really matured. But now it’s weird to retain Barkov and strip the C and give to 1) a player who has also been here or 2) a vet who hasn’t been here as long. It was just the wrong choice from the get-go

He’s not the reason we’re losing, but it would be important to have a captain who could lead by example. I kinda hate the beta Barkov argument but unfortunately it’s kinda true. Sports is the only sphere where that argument actually doesn’t 100% bother me because you really do need to be a different breed, a competitor who hates to lose

 

[KW]

You don’t necessarily have to be loud, but you should naturally be able to lead if you’re the captain. He was given the C solely due to the fact that he was the best player. That’s a common trend amongst teams. You have Barkov on one end of the spectrum and you have Dmac on the opposite side of the spectrum, a vet who probably deserves it in theory but isn’t an impact player. You prefer to have you captain be one of your top players but they need those qualities too. Ekblad should be the captain. He shows passion, he leads our D, former 1st overall for the club, one of the best D for the past couple years, and has really matured. But now it’s weird to retain Barkov and strip the C and give to 1) a player who has also been here or 2) a vet who hasn’t been here as long. It was just the wrong choice from the get-go

He’s not the reason we’re losing, but it would be important to have a captain who could lead by example

This off-season, Barkov should forget about the figure skating practice and take boxing and wrestling instead.

 

[FrolikFan67]

I don’t think ovechkin is a good comparison. Maybe us and the capitals in general is. Now a really good regular season team who can’t compete in the playoffs. But ovechkin is built like a train and will gladly run you over when the intensity is high, he goes nuts to this day after every goal. The guy shows emotion and plays with passion. The winning part again isn’t on Barkov, but him being the leader I don’t think helps the situation. Can’t really compare their postseason production either other than Barkov is at least close to a ppg, but Barkov scores at about a 25% gpg clip while ovechkin scores at 50% gpg rate

 

[Panthersfan1989]

This.

Of all the things to question, I’m not questioning Barkov’s impact on this team. And behind closed doors I’d bet there’s no one on the team questioning him either.

I'm just trying to find the answer to why even when we had Q, this team would come out sleep walking last season. I know bruno is here and the coaching staff has been a dumpster fire but I really want to know why the come out and go through the motions so often.

 

[Panthersfan1989]

You would think if Barkov or Hubs wanted to lead by example they would come out not FLAT in that third period and throw a hit or so to get the rest of the team engaged or even get close to the net and get everyone fired up in a scrum. I know neither of them are tough guys but the team look so disinterested in the entire post season. Specifically this series. even our energy line was not good. Lomberg has been a disaster this series.. He has not really been hitting or even agitating lets be honest what else is he good for? I know alot of this slow start stuff can be blamed on coaches but at some point also these guys have to look at themselves and get angry/more motivated. I still for my life of me dont understand why there was no retribution for what happened to Etu

 

[KW]

You would think if Barkov or Hubs wanted to lead by example they would come out not FLAT in that third period and throw a hit or so to get the rest of the team engaged or even get close to the net and get everyone fired up in a scrum. I know neither of them are tough guys but the team look so disinterested in the entire post season. Specifically this series. even our energy line was not good. Lomberg has been a disaster this series.. He has not really been hitting or even agitating lets be honest what else is he good for? I know alot of this slow start stuff can be blamed on coaches but at some point also these guys have to look at themselves and get angry/more motivated. I still for my life of me dont understand why there was no retribution for what happened to Etu

A couple of points.

Right about the lack of hitting, even McJesus had started hitting.

About the hit, I don’t get it either, but the Avs didn’t retaliate about the hit (even though legal) on Girardi, who’s now got a fractured sternum. Next game we should come out and make sure they won’t get into the next round without punishment. Send a signal for next season.

 

[batting1k]

I still for my life of me dont understand why there was no retribution for what happened to Etu

Because with the way the refs have run this series, it would’ve resulted in a power play for the Lightning and another puck in the back of our net. No thank you.

 

[avenger]

I agree. I argued a lot against Bruno when he took the reigns, but I changed my mind partly because results improved and partly because there were so many supporters insuring he’d learn in time for playoffs.

When Zito went all out with the trades, I got worried. I was afraid Bruno wouldn’t be able to integrate G and Chia in time while giving them major roles. Bruno is a nice, thoughtful guy with good hockey knowledge and instincts BUT he’s not assertive enough. With an assertive coach this team, weak character captain included, would do well.

If Zito plans the roster and coach with Bolts in mind, they’ll do much better in playoffs next season. Home ice means nothing if you aren’t able to defend it.

I agree! I am happy that Barky is with us and we will fight for the cup with him more than once! …we need to be objective and make the right decisions…Barky and Huby! they'll raise the f***ing cup! … it’s hard for us now, we can’t fight with the talent of our players alone, without any system of play, with this stupid defensive game against Tampa’s experienced and perfected game! I'm not against Bruno, I'm in favor of giving him a chance to grow with the team…how Cooper has grown…but better assistants are needed(Ruutu? McKenzie?…f***ing defensive coach…???, PP needs a coach…)
today Barky and Huby are probably doing everything they can in this system, in this team game… they need help, support, guidance, education… just like other players
I believe in our guys!!! and not everything is finished yet ... today is a battle and let Tampa still try to win against us! we will fight..!

 

[avenger]

You don’t necessarily have to be loud, but you should naturally be able to lead if you’re the captain. He was given the C solely due to the fact that he was the best player. That’s a common trend amongst teams. You have Barkov on one end of the spectrum and you have Dmac on the opposite side of the spectrum, a vet who probably deserves it in theory but isn’t an impact player. You prefer to have you captain be one of your top players but they need those qualities too. Ekblad should be the captain. He shows passion, he leads our D, former 1st overall for the club, one of the best D for the past couple years, and has really matured. But now it’s weird to retain Barkov and strip the C and give to 1) a player who has also been here or 2) a vet who hasn’t been here as long. It was just the wrong choice from the get-go

He’s not the reason we’re losing, but it would be important to have a captain who could lead by example. I kinda hate the beta Barkov argument but unfortunately it’s kinda true. Sports is the only sphere where that argument actually doesn’t 100% bother me because you really do need to be a different breed, a competitor who hates to lose

did you understand what you wrote? what the f*** is Ekblad setting?…he's the second player after Lundell to be kicked off the podium…he screwed us all the games! his speed doesn't match even ekhl… this "captain's" passion with which he stupidly runs on the attack, absolutely not understanding how to play defense! I envy these Kuchers, Stamkos, Kuznetsovs, etc...they are lucky that Ekblad is playing against them!...look at our goals yesterday! where he was and what he did…(and Barki does all the dirty work, cleans shit behind such stars as ecblad…works out in defense by 150% for everyone…and We Still Are Not Happy and expect Barkу to score three goals, which to win in order to block the shit that the "gambling captains" bring

 

[avenger]

I don’t think ovechkin is a good comparison. Maybe us and the capitals in general is. Now a really good regular season team who can’t compete in the playoffs. But ovechkin is built like a train and will gladly run you over when the intensity is high, he goes nuts to this day after every goal. The guy shows emotion and plays with passion. The winning part again isn’t on Barkov, but him being the leader I don’t think helps the situation. Can’t really compare their postseason production either other than Barkov is at least close to a ppg, but Barkov scores at about a 25% gpg clip while ovechkin scores at 50% gpg rateView attachment 550656View attachment 550657

Barkov has other tasks from the coach, other tasks in the game… to take the puck away from the opponent, to bring the puck to the rival zone, to create a chance for his teammates, to create a chance for himself… to run back and fight on the defensive… and not just stand and wait for the pass and shoot… well, talk and shout a lot on the bench and be madly happy about the goal scored

 

[FrolikFan67]

did you understand what you wrote? what the f*** is Ekblad setting?…he's the second player after Lundell to be kicked off the podium…he screwed us all the games! his speed doesn't match even ekhl… this "captain's" passion with which he stupidly runs on the attack, absolutely not understanding how to play defense! I envy these Kuchers, Stamkos, Kuznetsovs, etc...they are lucky that Ekblad is playing against them!...look at our goals yesterday! where he was and what he did…(and Barki does all the dirty work, cleans shit behind such stars as ecblad…works out in defense by 150% for everyone…and We Still Are Not Happy and expect Barkу to score three goals, which to win in order to block the shit that the "gambling captains" bring

I admit Forsling was by far our best D this playoffs, but Ekblad also nearly snapped his leg 2 months ago and had to step back in straight into the playoffs. Ekblad is more of a vocal leader, he shows more emotion and passion. I love Barkov as a person and there’s no denying his skill. He’s one of the best centers in the league. But he has 6 goals through 24 playoff games in his career. 2 goals in 9 playoff games this postseason? He’s looked to as one of the best 5 centers in the league for many, that won’t cut it if he’s supposed to be one of/if not our best player. Other than getting walked by kucherov because he bit too hard on one play, I don’t see how Ekblad was that bad. He could’ve had more of an impact but definitely not bad. Weegar wasn’t good. The 3rd line wasn’t that noticeable, but the forwards haven’t done anything. 3 goals in 3 games. Barkov and Huberdeau both with 0 goals this series? Perry has multiple goals, Colton has multiple goals. Our star forwards have to step up. Bellemare even has a goal. They haven’t stepped up

Barkov has other tasks from the coach, other tasks in the game… to take the puck away from the opponent, to bring the puck to the rival zone, to create a chance for his teammates, to create a chance for himself… to run back and fight on the defensive… and not just stand and wait for the pass and shoot… well, talk and shout a lot on the bench and be madly happy about the goal scored

Just saying it’s not an equal comparison. Just because he has more defensive responsibilities doesn’t make an excuse for not scoring. He scored 39 goals through 67 games this regular season where he also had to play more defensively and log big minutes. That’s a nearly 48 goal pace over a full season. 2 goals in 9 important playoff games, 0 this series. It’s not just him, Huberdeau hasn’t stepped up either.

 

[avenger]

I admit Forsling was by far our best D this playoffs, but Ekblad also nearly snapped his leg 2 months ago and had to step back in straight into the playoffs. Ekblad is more of a vocal leader, he shows more emotion and passion. I love Barkov as a person and there’s no denying his skill. He’s one of the best centers in the league. But he has 6 goals through 24 playoff games in his career. 2 goals in 9 playoff games this postseason? He’s looked to as one of the best 5 centers in the league for many, that won’t cut it if he’s supposed to be one of/if not our best player. Other than getting walked by kucherov because he bit too hard on one play, I don’t see how Ekblad was that bad. He could’ve had more of an impact but definitely not bad. Weegar wasn’t good. The 3rd line wasn’t that noticeable, but the forwards haven’t done anything. 3 goals in 3 games. Barkov and Huberdeau both with 0 goals this series? Perry has multiple goals, Colton has multiple goals. Our star forwards have to step up. Bellemare even has a goal. They haven’t stepped up


Just saying it’s not an equal comparison. Just because he has more defensive responsibilities doesn’t make an excuse for not scoring. He scored 39 goals through 67 games this regular season where he also had to play more defensively and log big minutes. That’s a nearly 48 goal pace over a full season. 2 goals in 9 important playoff games, 0 this series. It’s not just him, Huberdeau hasn’t stepped up either.

this one shift, but it speaks for our entire playoffs...two tourists 5 and 8 who do nothing in defense...and 16 who fought with all rivals...and still won the puck...after such a game we all want and wait and nervous why Barky didn’t run like a rocket in the offensive…didn’t beat Hedman (how did Kucherov beat Ekblad…remember?) and didn’t score a goal! …and such 8-9 shifts out of 10…yes, I agree, Barky and Hubi don’t show the best game, but the opponent plays strictly against . And where is our number 1 ekblad, why doesn’t he turn Kucher out of the game?

I admit Forsling was by far our best D this playoffs, but Ekblad also nearly snapped his leg 2 months ago and had to step back in straight into the playoffs. Ekblad is more of a vocal leader, he shows more emotion and passion. I love Barkov as a person and there’s no denying his skill. He’s one of the best centers in the league. But he has 6 goals through 24 playoff games in his career. 2 goals in 9 playoff games this postseason? He’s looked to as one of the best 5 centers in the league for many, that won’t cut it if he’s supposed to be one of/if not our best player. Other than getting walked by kucherov because he bit too hard on one play, I don’t see how Ekblad was that bad. He could’ve had more of an impact but definitely not bad. Weegar wasn’t good. The 3rd line wasn’t that noticeable, but the forwards haven’t done anything. 3 goals in 3 games. Barkov and Huberdeau both with 0 goals this series? Perry has multiple goals, Colton has multiple goals. Our star forwards have to step up. Bellemare even has a goal. They haven’t stepped up


Just saying it’s not an equal comparison. Just because he has more defensive responsibilities doesn’t make an excuse for not scoring. He scored 39 goals through 67 games this regular season where he also had to play more defensively and log big minutes. That’s a nearly 48 goal pace over a full season. 2 goals in 9 important playoff games, 0 this series. It’s not just him, Huberdeau hasn’t stepped up either.

this one shift, but it speaks for our entire playoffs...two tourists 5 and 8 who do nothing in defense...and 16 who fought with all rivals...and still won the puck...after such a game we all want and wait and nervous why Barky didn’t run like a rocket in the offensive…didn’t beat Hedman (how did Kucherov beat Ekblad…remember?) and didn’t score a goal!…yes, I agree, Barky and Hubi don’t show the best game, but the opponent plays strictly against . And where is our number 1 ekblad, why doesn’t he turn Kucher out of the game?

 

[avenger]

this one shift, but it speaks for our entire playoffs...two tourists 5 and 8 who do nothing in defense...and 16 who fought with all rivals...and still won the puck...after such a game we all want and wait and nervous why Barky didn’t run like a rocket in the offensive…didn’t beat Hedman (how did Kucherov beat Ekblad…remember?) and didn’t score a goal! …and such 8-9 shifts out of 10…yes, I agree, Barky and Hubi don’t show the best game, but the opponent plays strictly against . And where is our number 1 ekblad, why doesn’t he turn Kucher out of the game?


this one shift, but it speaks for our entire playoffs...two tourists 5 and 8 who do nothing in defense...and 16 who fought with all rivals...and still won the puck...after such a game we all want and wait and nervous why Barky didn’t run like a rocket in the offensive…didn’t beat Hedman (how did Kucherov beat Ekblad…remember?) and didn’t score a goal!…yes, I agree, Barky and Hubi don’t show the best game, but the opponent plays strictly against . And where is our number 1 ekblad, why doesn’t he turn Kucher out of the game?

and the first goal was for us, what did Ekblad do?...and the game in offensive the fourth and fifth goals against us in an empty net?...and the game of power play fell apart when Ekblad returned...now it is gone with and without him...
I think we have great team, amazing and respected by partners and the whole league captain! we don’t need to look for a brain in the ass… we need good defenders who have a strong side to play hard and tight in defense, not to give the opponent any time or distance, to hit everywhere and so that such coachmen would be afraid to drive up… and not these great stupidly running offensive and in protection are tourists ...

 

[avenger]

Barkov is a great regular season player. High hockey IQ, and a great player overall. Some of the things he does on the ice is amazing. But he's too much of a shrinking violet in the playoffs. He is this generations Sedin twin. We won't win the Stanley Cup with him as our main piece.

you guys can't win the cup without him! you only see the problem in one player! ask yourself: why is that? look at the whole game as a whole, how and what is our team playing now? if you don’t understand, then it’s ok ... to explain to you long and tedious ... Bjug must be returned, and Barki must be removed!