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[FloridaCap]

If Ovie is going to run around trying to level Blues players(Petro, Schwartz), then the rest of the Caps better be prepared to suffer the repercussions.

You mean his completely legal hits on Petro and Schwartz?

Yeah, better board somebody as revenge!

 

[Dbrownss]

You mean his completely legal hits on Petro and Schwartz?

Yeah, better board somebody as revenge!

Ovechkin left his feet before he made contact with Pietrangelo, Schwartz hit was ok.


But no....i don't want our captian boarding people....not the message I want sent. Backes is completely capable of delivering devastating clean checks.....and this wasn't one of them.

 

[mrv52]

I thought Western Conference teams were supposed to be tougher than Eastern Conference teams?

 

[Sleepy]

I thought Western Conference teams were supposed to be tougher than Eastern Conference teams?

Not many of the West teams have the same level of fighting and dirty hits as those Philly/Pitt/Islanders games. East definitely has more entertaining gong-shows. (And no, that's not meant as a criticism just an observation)

 

[Cult of Hynes]

When did I blame the victim? Pretty sure the first thing out of my mouth (you know, when I was watching the hit live) was that it was a dumb hit. In fact, I even made a post about it on this very site. But you're more than welcome to beat the hell out of that straw man.

There is no straw man, " All it takes is a guy to be unprepared for any hit from behind and they can crumple into the boards." It comes across as you saying since he was unprepared for the hit he crumpled into the boards which makes it seem like you are saying it looked worse than it really was because he went down easy because he wasnt prepared to be hit.

That is victim blaming because it takes most of the blame off the guy throwing the hit since the person who was hit shouldnt have to be prepared for a hit from behind, especially when he is hit by someone who is seeing numbers the whole way in.

IDC what the first words were out of your mouth, you then made that irrelevant by saying " All it takes is a guy to be unprepared for any hit from behind and they can crumple into the boards."

Maybe I miss read what you were saying, but it came across as taking most of the blame off Backes, thanks to your wording.

 

[Lord Helix]

There is no straw man, " All it takes is a guy to be unprepared for any hit from behind and they can crumple into the boards." It comes across as you saying since he was unprepared for the hit he crumpled into the boards which makes it seem like you are saying it looked worse than it really was because he went down easy because he wasnt prepared to be hit.

That is victim blaming because it takes most of the blame off the guy throwing the hit since the person who was hit shouldnt have to be prepared for a hit from behind, especially when he is hit by someone who is seeing numbers the whole way in.

IDC what the first words were out of your mouth, you then made that irrelevant by saying " All it takes is a guy to be unprepared for any hit from behind and they can crumple into the boards."

Maybe I miss read what you were saying, but it came across as taking most of the blame off Backes, thanks to your wording.

Thanks to my wording or your interpretation?

You're the one telling me what I said and what I actually meant...But I obviously wouldn't know anything about how I feel on a subject.

 

[Dbrownss]

I thought Western Conference teams were supposed to be tougher than Eastern Conference teams?

......?

The Blues did play crash and bang with the Capitals till they didn't want anymore....and then went and won the game.

Not sure what your getting at.

 

[Blues88]

I don't care enough to respond to every one of those posts, nor do I have the time. I summed it up in one post. It's quite common to respond to a general opinion in a thread than to respond to each individual poster. Don't take it so hard.

You take the opinion of a few and apply it to many, but the idea of actually discussing something on a discussion forum is way too labor intensive for you to "care".

I'm totally broken up over this.

 

[2 Minute Minor]

Slightly off-topic, but that game helped me to realize that Ovechkin is not in decline. He's a beast on the ice, and I look forward to what that team can do in the post-season with full buy-in of Trotz-hockey.

I thought he could have been called for the Pietro hit, but not a big deal that it wasn't. The refs made it clear they were going to let them play.

 

[JAVO16]

Seeing it now. Backes didn't see anything but Alzner's backside and still transfered all his speed into the hit. **** move. I could defend the play if he'd tried to lay back or something. As it is, and since Backes is repeat ****head, he should've gotten a suspension.

 

[TheDizee]

so much crying about backes, i love it. hope to see more backes and ott hate moving forward

 

[ThirdManIn]

so much crying about backes, i love it. hope to see more backes and ott hate moving forward

You hope to see Backes (or Ott) level a guy from behind into the boards in a stupid and reckless manner just so people get upset about it? That's strange.

 

[Chairman Maouth]

lol @ all the people who think backes is a "dirty" player, yeah hes soooooo dirty cause of the grand total of 0 times hes been fined or suspended.

he finishes his checks cleanly so people are crying about that i guess, idk. anyways people calling for 5 game suspension and such on a play that was a solid 2 min PP and i am not sure after that cause I dont think it warranted anything else gave me a good laugh.

good to know the league thinks the same and wont be doing any more discipline

I'll shed some light on why he's considered a dirty player and why his name was frequently mentioned in the most hated players thread from a couple months ago.

It's not to do with hits or suspendable offences. He doesn't do much of that. It's because on numerous occasions at the end of games the Blues are losing, Backes punks out and attacks skilled players on the other team - but when someone bigger and tougher comes to the rescue of the skilled players, Backes somehow always manages to back away and allow a referee to get between them. He attacks players who are smaller and are no threat to him, and runs like a ***** from players who could tune him up. Again. this most often happens at the end of games the Blues are losing. He's a poor sport, a punk and a bully who hopefully one day gets what's coming to him.

 

[Dbrownss]

I'll shed some light on why he's considered a dirty player and why his name was frequently mentioned in the most hated players thread from a couple months ago.

It's not to do with hits or suspendable offences. He doesn't do much of that. It's because on numerous occasions at the end of games the Blues are losing, Backes punks out and attacks skilled players on the other team - but when someone bigger and tougher comes to the rescue of the skilled players, Backes somehow always manages to back away and allow a referee to get between them. He attacks players who are smaller and are no threat to him, and runs like a ***** from players who could tune him up. Again. this most often happens at the end of games the Blues are losing. He's a poor sport, a punk and a bully who hopefully one day gets what's coming to him.

Sounds like he took your lunch money....

Seriously, use grown up words, yes he's a poor sport. I wouldn't argue that. It's a man's league, and he's never actually hurt anybody with his hissy fits. No need to get into the whiny name calling.

 

[Cult of Hynes]

so much crying about backes, i love it. hope to see more backes and ott hate moving forward

yes, criticizing a dirty / stupid hit is "hating". My god, I cant stand this "if you criticize a person" you are hating because of jealousy etc.

Backes laid down a dirty hit.

 

[Chairman Maouth]

Sounds like he took your lunch money....

Seriously, use grown up words, yes he's a poor sport. I wouldn't argue that. It's a man's league, and he's never actually hurt anybody with his hissy fits. No need to get into the whiny name calling.

Backes couldn't have taken my lunch money. I'd have put up a fight.

 

[ThirdManIn]

When did I blame the victim? Pretty sure the first thing out of my mouth (you know, when I was watching the hit live) was that it was a dumb hit. In fact, I even made a post about it on this very site. But you're more than welcome to beat the hell out of that straw man.

I'm not sure where you see a straw man there, but it doesn't actually exist. I'm also not sure why you expect someone on a website to know what the first words out of your mouth were upon seeing the hit live. Your comment did imply that it was the fault of Alzner instead of the fault of the person who saw Alzner's numbers the entire time before finishing a heavy hit from behind right along the boards, which can fairly be described as victim blaming. That is hardly standing up the straw man.

 

[BrokenFace]

Backes always changed his game as the rules changed. High hits used to be overlooked more, then they changed the rules, then Backes started hitting people lower. Backes used to board people more, then they changed the rules so you can't push played from behind into the boards, and Backes changed his game.

That being said, it was a boneheaded penalty yesterday. It was dangerous and exactly what the league (thankfully) wants to get rid of. I'm just tired of all the moralizing around hockey. There are less than 5 players in the league who are truly dangerous to play with because they work beyond the rules too frequently. The word dirty gets thrown around all too much.

Seabrook's hit on Backes in the playoffs last year was more dangerous than any hit Backes has ever dealt out, but Seabrook isn't a dirty player. I wish fans (mostly fans online) would stop turning every game into a morality play.

 

[illininer]

I'll shed some light on why he's considered a dirty player and why his name was frequently mentioned in the most hated players thread from a couple months ago.

It's not to do with hits or suspendable offences. He doesn't do much of that. It's because on numerous occasions at the end of games the Blues are losing, Backes punks out and attacks skilled players on the other team - but when someone bigger and tougher comes to the rescue of the skilled players, Backes somehow always manages to back away and allow a referee to get between them. He attacks players who are smaller and are no threat to him, and runs like a ***** from players who could tune him up. Again. this most often happens at the end of games the Blues are losing. He's a poor sport, a punk and a bully who hopefully one day gets what's coming to him.

So Backes is a first-liner and he fights other top-liners lol. The audacity of him. I mean how dare he not fight other team's plugs?

He is a terrible fighter to begin with. Guess that means I should start expecting guys like Dustin Brown, Ovechkin, (insert big, skill guy that hits the Blues skill guys here) to fight Reaves and if they don't they are cowards. Makes sense .

 

[Lord Helix]

I'm not sure where you see a straw man there, but it doesn't actually exist. I'm also not sure why you expect someone on a website to know what the first words out of your mouth were upon seeing the hit live. Your comment did imply that it was the fault of Alzner instead of the fault of the person who saw Alzner's numbers the entire time before finishing a heavy hit from behind right along the boards, which can fairly be described as victim blaming. That is hardly standing up the straw man.

I never said it was Alzner's fault. Which means you're putting words in my mouth...Attacking that argument is the fallacy, as that wasn't what I was implying, whether anyone wants it to be or not. My point was that these hits happen all too often, but it doesn't always result in something bad.

Your use of of the word "imply" alone shows that it's not about what I actually said. We don't get to have arguments based on an interpretation of what I obviously didn't mean.

 

[Falco Lombardi]

So Backes is a first-liner and he fights other top-liners lol. The audacity of him. I mean how dare he not fight other team's plugs?

He is a terrible fighter to begin with. Guess that means I should start expecting guys like Dustin Brown, Ovechkin, (insert big, skill guy that hits the Blues skill guys here) to fight Reaves and if they don't they are cowards. Makes sense .

Yeah I've never understood this. Backes is a first line player who gets ripped because he doesn't fight third and fourth line goons. It's the stupidest thing that is talked about when it comes to Backes.

 

[txpd]

the capitals would take backes in a heartbeat. still, the hit was either dirty or ridiculously stupid.

 

[GFiP*]

If this was a goon a lot more people would be crying for a 10 game suspension. Stay consistent, people.

 

[ThirdManIn]

If this was a goon a lot more people would be crying for a 10 game suspension. Stay consistent, people.

If it were a goon there is a decent chance that goon would have a history of suspensions, thus making the cry for a stiff penalty justifiable. Backes is a punk and a sore loser, but he isn't much of a goon. Just an idiot sometimes.

 

[BlueDream]

I'll shed some light on why he's considered a dirty player and why his name was frequently mentioned in the most hated players thread from a couple months ago.

It's not to do with hits or suspendable offences. He doesn't do much of that. It's because on numerous occasions at the end of games the Blues are losing, Backes punks out and attacks skilled players on the other team - but when someone bigger and tougher comes to the rescue of the skilled players, Backes somehow always manages to back away and allow a referee to get between them. He attacks players who are smaller and are no threat to him, and runs like a ***** from players who could tune him up. Again. this most often happens at the end of games the Blues are losing. He's a poor sport, a punk and a bully who hopefully one day gets what's coming to him.

I can't speak for all of Blues fans but I don't disagree with you. I think Backes is a hothead idiot and I'm not a fan of that stuff you mentioned, which I have complained about on the Blues board before and is one of the reasons I'd like to see how the Blues perform with a more composed captain (Jaden Schwartz is the guy I want to be our next captain).

I think Blues fans are just trying to point out that Backes isn't a guy that runs around and throws dirty hits. He has a temper and tries to fight when things aren't going his way (against weak star players, yes) - which again I really could do without, but there is a distinct difference between the two. You probably already know this, just laying out my thoughts though. Backes definitely isn't innocent, not at all.

Yeah I've never understood this. Backes is a first line player who gets ripped because he doesn't fight third and fourth line goons. It's the stupidest thing that is talked about when it comes to Backes.

That's just not looking at the big picture. He could fight other top-liners that can actually fight (you know other big guys like Getzlaf, Thornton, Benn, Iginla, etc). But he'll typically go after guys like Duchene, MacKinnon, the Sedins, etc. It'd be like if Joe Thornton tried picking a fight with Tarasenko, which would be dumb. I'm a Blues fan but you guys have to admit that it's stupid when Backes does those things.