Back to the drawing board for USA Hockey?

[Dr Jan Itor]

Canada's dominance right now is just timing.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Meh I don't buy the top rival rhetoric, Canada literally always beats the US in final games, its nearly 100% lopsided, the margins are irrelevant, a team that consistently beats another is not a rival, its a punching bag. There needs to be a back and forth for it to actually be considered a legitimate rival.

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Embarrassing again. The act is too obvious.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Perhaps if this were the Olympics but it was an artificial tournament with little meaning. Guaranteed it would be a very different tone from Canadian fans had USA won in the OT they thoroughly dominated.

"It did not count" would be the theme.

cling to those 5 minutes for dear life my friend.

Canada won.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

A tossup that seems to go their way every time historically whether its the Soviets or the US.

Yes, their losses to the Soviets from before when any of these players were born is highly relevant.

 

[Oilslick941611]

4 different threads to troll USA fans. Pretty splendid sportsmanship being shown by our Canadian brethren! Bravo I say

dont act like the shoe was on the other foot after saturdays game. Americans and the American team was expecting a coronation on thurday.... You guys would have done no different had you won.

Difference is we dont trash talk after a round robin game.

 

[koyvoo]

dont act like the shoe was on the other foot after saturdays game. Americans and the American team was expecting a coronation on thurday.... You guys would have done no different had you won.

Difference is we dont trash talk after a round robin game.

They were doing after a meaningless round robin game, nevermind what would’ve happened had they won the one that counts.

 

[AD1066]

Would the entire narrative change if Binnington hadn't made that blocker save?

 

[KillerMillerTime]

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Even the 96 team got put shot and out played by Canada. Now it's a coin toss.

96 Canada was deeper upfront IMO and definitely in net. I would take Gretzky, Messier, Yzerman, Sakic, Shanahan ,Fleury, Brind'Amour, Graves, Linden over McDavid, McKinnon, Point, Crosby, Marner, Ranheim, Bennett, Hagel and Marchand I know they were an older group but they were deeper.

US goali was better in net with Richter. D was a bit better with Leetch, Chelios, Suter, Hatcher, Schneider. Forwards had Hull, Modano, Lafontaine, Leclair, Amonte, Guerin Tkachuk and Weight..

5 currently in the HOF on '96 US Team, while I think you will see 4 max on this US Team.

 

[conFABulator]

Back to the drawing board? No. Team USA was very good and went to OT in the Final. Binnington made at least 3 great saves in OT. They were right there.

Team USA can expect to win some best on best tourneys with this kind of roster.

I agree with your larger point, the US came very close to winning and "back to the drawing board" seems like an inappropriate option...unless "back to the drawing board" refers to how the team is constructed.

Your comment "with this kind of roster" is only partially accurate IMO. I would say "with this kind of DEPTH CHART they could/should expect to win some best on best tourneys.

To me, a primary factor for consideration was this roster felt to me like choosing the 23 BEST American players for the team and not building the best team.

I feel that Canada built some high end scoring lines with McDavid, McKinnon, Crosby, Marner and some high end bottom six lines with Cirelli, Hagel, Bennett, Jarvis and others. Now, clearly the top six players are good two way players and the role players can also score but that is what best on best is.

The same was true on the back end, I heard a few names being passed over because we already had Makar for example. For example, why would we take Evan Bouchard if Makar is already PP1?

There are a lot of bottom six types that may have ultimately proven to be more valuable than Connor, Kreider, Nelson, Boldy and the other guys. I am a Leafs fan so Knies comes to mind. He is 6'3", 225lbs, hits, PKs, can score and would be happy with 11 minutes a night. There are more examples and probably better ones.

I also think the US treated Saturday night as their Gold Medal game...before the game, during it, and after it. I was surprised how much swagger the team (or certain players) showed after barely beating Canada in G2. They never won again in this tournament. I think this team and it's leaders need to mature a bit too.

 

[BB79]

You guys would have done no different had you won.

Difference is we dont trash talk after a round robin game.

...but you lost it, so how do we know that for sure?

 

[Oilslick941611]

Yes, their losses to the Soviets from before when any of these players were born is highly relevant.

I agree. Wins in the 70s and 80s are about as relevant as the NYI/Oilers cup wins in the 80s to the current team, that is to say not relevant at all. Anything past a rolling 10 year period is basically irrelevant. Player turn over and all.

 

[Master P]

I would never say OP is insecure, but this thread does beg the question.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Did JT Miller have a negative effect of the US room?

Doubt it as being a USA fan and hearing about Miller's personality I paid attention
interactions on the bench and ice and saw no antagonism towards him at all.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Would the entire narrative change if Binnington hadn't made that blocker save?

the difference between glory and shame is coming up with the big moment when needed and. getting it done when its all on the line.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

The last 2 wins were in OT. Binnington saved Canadas ass 3 times in the first 5 minutes of OT. Cool your jets with the punching bag rhetoric.

Guy reeks of someone who been bullied in his past.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

dont act like the shoe was on the other foot after saturdays game. Americans and the American team was expecting a coronation on thurday.... You guys would have done no different had you won.

Difference is we dont trash talk after a round robin game.

Bullshit lol

 

[Master P]

Difference is we dont trash talk after a round robin game.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Oilslick941611]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

your players were running their mouths in the media. The loss looks great on them.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

your players were running their mouths in the media. The loss looks great on them.

You're running your mouth right now

 

[KillerMillerTime]

It was personal to us as a country, if you don't think it was you're wrong. I don't expect you to get that as you don't live here and you're not Canadian.

Lol, anyone who pays attention understands the guy is a personal insult machine
to anyone who challenges him.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

This is pure

dont act like the shoe was on the other foot after saturdays game. Americans and the American team was expecting a coronation on thurday.... You guys would have done no different had you won.

Difference is we dont trash talk after a round robin game.

dont act like the shoe was on the other foot after saturdays game. Americans and the American team was expecting a coronation on thurday.... You guys would have done no different had you won.

Difference is we dont trash talk after a round robin game.

Pure fiction on your part. You speak for no one but you.

 

[Oilslick941611]

This is pure





Pure fiction on your part. You speak for no one but you.

 

[BB79]

So?

What does that change about what I've said?


You expect fans from here not to dump on these guys after all their big talk the last while?

And I doubt many people from anywhere are very concerned that they are being made to eat crow right now, you may not have noticed, the U.S isn't exactly very popular these days anywhere.

They brought it on themselves, don't complain now that they are reaping what they sowed.

And yes, it is personal, they made it personal.

Sorry sir, you're mistaking us for someone who gives a shit what you think.

 

[End on a Hinote]

It was personal to us as a country, if you don't think it was you're wrong. I don't expect you to get that as you don't live here and you're not Canadian.

I like to say from a political standpoint, this final was like 1972 and 1980. But this time the Americans played the role once performed by the Russians.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

I agree with your larger point, the US came very close to winning and "back to the drawing board" seems like an inappropriate option...unless "back to the drawing board" refers to how the team is constructed.

Your comment "with this kind of roster" is only partially accurate IMO. I would say "with this kind of DEPTH CHART they could/should expect to win some best on best tourneys.

To me, a primary factor for consideration was this roster felt to me like choosing the 23 BEST American players for the team and not building the best team.

I feel that Canada built some high end scoring lines with McDavid, McKinnon, Crosby, Marner and some high end bottom six lines with Cirelli, Hagel, Bennett, Jarvis and others. Now, clearly the top six players are good two way players and the role players can also score but that is what best on best is.

The same was true on the back end, I heard a few names being passed over because we already had Makar for example. For example, why would we take Evan Bouchard if Makar is already PP1?

There are a lot of bottom six types that may have ultimately proven to be more valuable than Connor, Kreider, Nelson, Boldy and the other guys. I am a Leafs fan so Knies comes to mind. He is 6'3", 225lbs, hits, PKs, can score and would be happy with 11 minutes a night. There are more examples and probably better ones.

I also think the US treated Saturday night as their Gold Medal game...before the game, during it, and after it. I was surprised how much swagger the team (or certain players) showed after barely beating Canada in G2. They never won again in this tournament. I think this team and it's leaders need to mature a bit too.

The narratives are lazy.

If USA barely won the first game then I cannot imagine how you describe the second game being decided in OT, an OT dominated by team USA.

Canada lost two games as well. The spin on narratives is missing the mark.

Matthews simply needs to play like an offensive superstar. McAvoy and Hughes need to be healthy. Tkachuk needs to not be selfish and waste two games benching himself.

These variables add up quickly.

Canada should worry about improving its goaltending pipeline. It will haunt them at some point.