Back to the drawing board for USA Hockey?

[Legion34]

Sure.

That’s almost as bad of a start as
“As a taxpayer”

They lost one game on overtime against amazing team. A game they dominated in the overtime until that point. They're fine. If it had been best of 7, USA would've won 4-2 I think.

Yep they could have ended it 3 times.
US was right there. Nothing to change.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

every game was very close and both teams traded wins. how is this indicative of the US needing a massive revamp in order to compete with canada?

That guy is clearly trolling. If just Makar and Q Hughes were out, I take the US D Corp over Canada's. In fact Fox won't be in the top 6D, expect L. Hughes playing his off side. Hanifin will probably be #8 Dman.

If its a 25 man roster, there will be 14 F so, out go Kreider, Nelson, Trocheck and in for certain is Tage Thompson and 3 of Robertson, Knies, Tuch, Keller, Kane and my dark horse, Ryan Leonard. Watch how Leonard performs in the SCPO. If he makes an impact, he will get serious consideration.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Canadian here. It’s not doom and gloom for USA hockey. Their management made some roster decision errors. Mike sullivan made a coaching error. In OT, with a shortened bench, he should never had Hughes and fox on the ice together. That mcdavid goal doesn’t happen if you had one of Faber or slavin on the ice. Also, tkachuks need to learn from their mistakes. Especially m.tkachuk. But these lessons can be learned. It’s up to USA hockey to fix said mistakes. If they do, they are the favourites in Italy.

If there is a 26 man roster, there will be at least 5 new forwards, because Trocheck, Nelson and Kreider for sure will be gone. Canada will have at least 2 new forwards but US will have biggest turnover.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

I think USA just needs to stop pretending they are underdogs and trying to get crafty building a roster to counter the Canadians. Just bring your talent and let them play. Trochek, Kreider, and Nelson are fine NHL players, but putting them in this game over some of the others is insane. Just bring the best you got. You have the talent to compete.

All three of those players will be absolutely past their prime next year. Thompson shouldn't have been left off for Kreider for sure and an argument could be made that Tuch or Knies should have replaced Nelson.

If this was sequenced to be played last year like the next one will be (2 years before Olympics) all 3 would have been here.

 

[centipede2233]

If there is a 26 man roster, there will be at least 5 new forwards, because Trocheck, Nelson and Kreider for sure will be gone. Canada will have at least 2 new forwards but US will have biggest turnover.

The US adding j.robertson and T.Thompson both big fast forwards could be welcome additions

 

[Fatass]

Add Quinn Hughes and Charlie McAvoy to last night’s lineup and is this even a thread?

Yup. Quinn Hughes is a phenom. Put him with McAvoy and they dominate.

Guaranteed no JT Miller again, that’s for sure. He’s a problem the US doesn’t need.

 

[MOGlLNY]

Can’t imagine why US (and other countries) fans like to rub Canada’s noses in it when you lose with posts like OP’s.

 

[FLAMESFAN]

Nothing wrong with 2nd. Someone has to be the bridesmaid.

 

[BB79]

Can’t imagine why US (and other countries) fans like to rub Canada’s noses in it when you lose with posts like OP’s.

That doesn't even take into account Montreal

 

[LuGBuG]

When you are playing Canada and both games were a coin flip I’d say there isn’t much more you need to draw up. With those stacked teams it’s a crapshoot and it just didn’t work out for them in one OT period.

 

[Fatass]

Nothing wrong with 2nd. Someone has to be the bridesmaid.

That doesn't even take into account Montreal

The US lost both games on home ice. No Hellybuck and do they even make the Final?

 

[BB79]

The US lost both games on home ice. No Hellybuck and do they even make the Final?

No Binnington in OT and does Canada win?

The game against Sweden they were ragtag and already clinched anyway, it was a lame duck game. No one cared about that one. It was Thursday night that mattered.

 

[Oilslick941611]

No. As a Canadian, I would have taken the USA if it were a 7 game series.

Assuming USA is fully healthy, I have them as the favourites in Italy.

I wouldn’t. They can’t stay healthy. They play a game style that hurts themselves more than the other team.

The bangers they have ( the tkatchuks) fell flat when it mattered because they were too focused on theatrics and style over substance and Matthew got hurt over a contrived fight and selfish play.

I wouldn’t take them in a 7 game series at all. Their strength is single elimination games, at least until they learn a team game and get a coach that understands how to get the best of its players.

The coaching staff should have reigned the tkatchuks in a little better. They would have been better for it.

 

[MOGlLNY]

The US lost both games on home ice. No Hellybuck and do they even make the Final?

Damn you should call up Gary Bettman and tell him goalies aren’t part of hockey teams. Would change everything

 

[Oilslick941611]

The United States beat Canada prior to Thursday. Did last Saturday not happen or something?

Chicago also found a way to beat both Florida and Edmonton this year.

If a game isn’t a finals it doesn’t really matter at the end of the day.

 

[RED ARMY EAST]

The US has high scoring and skilled players on paper, but it simply doesn't seem to translate to the real world.

No tournament win at the mens level since 1996 during the WCOH. This is pushing a dizzying 30 year stretch of misery and despair.

Now I don't say this to antagonize but it's rather a legitimate hockey question, why has the US been unable to get past Canada and a variety of other countries at the mens level? may it be the IIHF World's that happen every spring, the olympics or recent world cups. This was supposed to be the best collection of American talent in a generation and yet they went out with a whimper with 2 consecutive losses to Sweden and Canada.

Notable points here is Auston Matthews and Jack Eichel, long compared as the US answer to Canada's McDavid and MacKinnon 1-2 punch. Yet they combined for 0 goals, while Canada's pair combined for 7. Similarly we always hear talks of the US supposedly vastly superior goaltending - yet once again it never seems to be a deciding factor. From Miller in 2010, to Quick in 2014 to Hellebuyck in 2025.

Is it a mental block? is it the stress of the bright lights?

USA hockey isn't broken, they have just won back to back world juniors and lost a best on best in an overtime final. How is that broken?

No. As a Canadian, I would have taken the USA if it were a 7 game series.

Assuming USA is fully healthy, I have them as the favourites in Italy.

Both Canada and the US will ice better lineups in next year's Olympic's.

 

[north21]

The US was once a joke at hockey, now we are likely Canada's top rival. The margins are razor thin. We were a couple of great Binnington saves away from sweeping Canada, I'd say whatever we are doing is working.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Chicago also found a way to beat both Florida and Edmonton this year.

If a game isn’t a finals it doesn’t really matter at the end of the day.

Come on man, try being intellectually honest. Your real analogy would be Vegas beating both this year.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Come on man, try being intellectually honest. Your real analogy would be Vegas beating both this year.

no, i was speaking to the relative value of a round robin game and how it doesn't matter at all if you lose ( like the regular season) when you win the trophy at the end of the day.

 

[jj cale]

Can’t imagine why US (and other countries) fans like to rub Canada’s noses in it when you lose with posts like OP’s.

And you wonder why Canadian fans like to rub it into the U.S fans noses after all their bullshit the last while?


Give your head a real good shake man.

 

[shakes the clown]

Add Quinn Hughes and Charlie McAvoy to last night’s lineup and is this even a thread?

And Matt Tkachuk

 

[pld459666]

Should have played Connor over either Kreider or a hurt Matt Tkachuk.

That and the addition of Quinn Hughes, maybe the outcome is different

IMHO, not much to change

 

[MOGlLNY]

And you wonder why Canadian fans like to rub it into the U.S fans noses after all their bullshit the last while?


Give your head a real good shake man.

I’m Canadian - I just don’t take things personally because it’s a forum. Try it

 

[KillerMillerTime]

no, i was speaking to the relative value of a round robin game and how it doesn't matter at all if you lose ( like the regular season) when you win the trophy at the end of the day.

Ok, then you are ignoring the fact the US loss put Canada in close to a do or die situation the next game. So nothing like your Chicago analogy.

 

[jj cale]

I’m Canadian

So?

What does that change about what I've said?


You expect fans from here not to dump on these guys after all their big talk the last while?

And I doubt many people from anywhere are very concerned that they are being made to eat crow right now, you may not have noticed, the U.S isn't exactly very popular these days anywhere.

They brought it on themselves, don't complain now that they are reaping what they sowed.

And yes, it is personal, they made it personal.