Proposal: AZ's '17 3rd Rounder (MTL, PIT)

[rt]

Can it get us one of Torrey Mitchell or Eric Fehr? Or would they cost more to acquire?

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[Habsfan2731]

Can it get us any of Matt Read, Torrey Mitchell, Jay Beagle, Eric Fehr, or Tommy Wingels? Or would they cost more to acquire?

Just responded in the other thread.

Mitchell for a 3rd, done.

 

[Roshi]

Capitals has no reason to move Beagle for a pick. Especially when its 3rd.

 

[Starat327]

I'd consider a 3rd for read. Do you have a depth LW to send back?

 

[rt]

I'd consider a 3rd for read. Do you have a depth LW to send back?

Not really. Sign Kyle Chipchura if you want.

 

[TT1]

i like Mitchell but i'd move him for a 3rd, we have players that can replace him anyways

 

[sobrien]

Read is yours for a 3rd

 

[nhlfan9191]

Just responded in the other thread.

Mitchell for a 3rd, done.

Mitchell's he kind of fourth liner I like on our team even if he is small. Rather not sell him for a 3rd rounder that will likely amount to nothing anyways.

 

[De Montreal]

i like Mitchell but i'd move him for a 3rd, we have players that can replace him anyways

Danault can replace Mitchell easily, I agree. Also, I heard he's kind of a jerk. Also, the fact we got Mitchell initially for a 7th round pick make this really faisible.

 

[Habsfan2731]

Mitchell's he kind of fourth liner I like on our team even if he is small. Rather not sell him for a 3rd rounder that will likely amount to nothing anyways.

With TT I wouldn't say likely amount to nothing.

A top 90 pick for Mitchell is a good return. I like him too but he could be replaced.

Also adding a 3rd gives us another higher pick that can be used as trade bait.

Over the next 2 years we have two 1sts, five 2nds & three 3rds if we were to do this.

Those are good assets to have, especially at the trade deadline.

 

[Kolzilla]

Not Jay Beagle. Absolutely no reason to move him at this point, especially not for a mid pick (not that he would demand more, though).

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Yes, we'd take a third for Fehr. We can sign Cullen if we did that.

 

[weastern bias]

I'm losing faith in Wingels, but if we do trade him I think we could do better than a 3rd round pick from a divisional opponent

 

[hockeykicker]

Jay beagle is the heart and soul of the caps. He is too valuable to trade for a 3rd

 

[leaflover]

I'm losing faith in Wingels, but if we do trade him I think we could do better than a 3rd round pick from a divisional opponent

I thought he was alright at least until the playoffs, but yeah, a 3rd seems light.

 

[Magua]

Read is yours for a 3rd

If he was available for a 3rd he'd be gone already. It would take at least a 2nd. 30 point, excellent possession, 3rd line shutdown wingers (he can play either side) with plus PK ability aren't so dime a dozen. Being a bit overpaid for what he provides now =/= bad player/cap dump. Flyers could probably eat a bit of the contract too. Otherwise, he holds more value to the team.

 

[HydroF]

I'm losing faith in Wingels, but if we do trade him I think we could do better than a 3rd round pick from a divisional opponent

Wingels should easily fetch more than a 3rd. The problem isn't with Wingels game, the problem is the Sharks have become too deep offensively for him to keep the role or ice time he used to get.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

If he was available for a 3rd he'd be gone already. It would take at least a 2nd. 30 point, excellent possession, 3rd line shutdown wingers (he can play either side) with plus PK ability aren't so dime a dozen. Being a bit overpaid for what he provides now =/= bad player/cap dump. Flyers could probably eat a bit of the contract too. Otherwise, he holds more value to the team.

I'd consider a 3rd for read. Do you have a depth LW to send back?

Arizona's 3rd round pick for LW-RW Matt Read seems like fair value, but taking a deeper look. I know that some compare Lars Eller's points production to Matt Read's, and will have an argument that Eller fetched two 2nd round picks from Washington, so it would only seem fair that Matt Read should be able to garner a 2nd round pick of his own for his services, but if we put Eller and Read side by side in compassion the numbers don't say that Read would warrant the same return. v

Lars Eller in 15-16 played in 79 games had 13G-13A-26pts & 28 PIM -13 +/-
Eller's age is 27, shoots left was drafted 1st RD 13th Ovr. by STL. HT 6'2' lbs 207
Eller's contract is 3.5mil a season for the next two seasons, and can play all forward positions.
Lars has 7 seasons of NHL experience

Lars Eller's SCOUTING REPORT
Assets: A good skater, he doesn't mind playing in high-traffic areas and also displays sound defensive acumen and penalty-killing prowess. Has some finish and the versatility to play either wing or center.

Flaws: Lacks consistency in a big way (he takes several nights off), which limits his overall effectiveness at the National Hockey League level. Also lacks the playmaking ability of a natural center.

Career Potential: Inconsistent but talented, two-way forward.

5v5 even strength individual stats
2015-16 TOI 969:48 G 11 A 11 pts 22, shots 118 Fenwick 164 Corsi 221

Matt Read in 2015-16 played in 79 games had 11G-15A-26pts & 27 PIM -5 +/-
Read's age is 30, shoots right was undrafted out of NCAA HT 5'10' lbs 185
Read's contract is 3.625mil a season for the next two seasons, and can play either RW or LW.
Matt has 5 seasons of NHL experience

Matt Read's SCOUTING REPORT
Assets: Is exceptionally versatile, able to play in any game situation. Has great wheels, excellent instincts and plenty of two-way acumen. Also, he is a scoring threat when on the penalty kill.

Flaws: Does not own ideal size for the National Hockey League, so his energetic style can lead to too much wear and tear over the course of 82 games. Injuries and inconsistency are also factors here.

Career Potential: Versatile, speedy two-way forward.

5v5 even strength individual stats
2015-16 TOI 904:17 G 6 A 8 pts 14, shots 97 Fenwick 144 Corsi 165

So after looking at Eller's and Read's side by side statistics and analytics you'll see that Lars Eller is the better player at even strength, and Eller is 3 years younger then Read is. Eller also has 2 more years of experience then Read does, and Eller also has a higher upside at this point being the younger player with more experience. Eller has better Corsi and Fenwick stats then Read has. Read also makes 125k more then Eller does. So if you ask me value wise, Eller probably warranted one of the two 2nd round draft picks Washington gave up to get Eller. (Washington overpaid on draft picks by the way) and Read's worth would be that of a late 3rd round pick or early 4th round pick. I'd say Read is on the downside of his career now, but is still a serviceable player on a mainly 4th line winger role, but could also still crack the 3rd line if on the right team with players that may have a little more skill.

So if a team offered a 3rd round pick for Matt Read, I'd be more then happy to take that trade.

 

[TT1]

Arizona's 3rd round pick for LW-RW Matt Read seems like fair value, but taking a deeper look. I know that some compare Lars Eller's points production to Matt Read's, and will have an argument that Eller fetched a 2nd round round from Washington, so it would only seem fair that Matt Read should be able to garner a 2nd round pick for his services, but if we put Eller and Read side by side in compassion the numbers don't say that Read would warrant the same return. v

Lars Eller in 15-16 played in 79 games had 13G-13A-26pts & 28 PIM -13 +/-
Eller's age is 27, shoots left was drafted 1st RD 13th Ovr. by STL. HT 6'2' lbs 207
Eller's contract is 3.5mil a season for the next two seasons, and can play all forward positions.
Lars has 7 seasons of NHL experience

Lars Eller's SCOUTING REPORT
Assets: A good skater, he doesn't mind playing in high-traffic areas and also displays sound defensive acumen and penalty-killing prowess. Has some finish and the versatility to play either wing or center.

Flaws: Lacks consistency in a big way (he takes several nights off), which limits his overall effectiveness at the National Hockey League level. Also lacks the playmaking ability of a natural center.

Career Potential: Inconsistent but talented, two-way forward.

5v5 even strength individual stats
2015-16 TOI 969:48 G 11 A 11 pts 22, shots 118 Fenwick 164 Corsi 221

Matt Read in 2015-16 played in 79 games had 11G-15A-26pts & 27 PIM -5 +/-
Read's age is 30, shoots right was undrafted out of NCAA HT 5'10' lbs 185
Read's contract is 3.625mil a season for the next two seasons, and can play either RW or LW.
Matt has 5 seasons of NHL experience

Matt Read's SCOUTING REPORT
Assets: Is exceptionally versatile, able to play in any game situation. Has great wheels, excellent instincts and plenty of two-way acumen. Also, he is a scoring threat when on the penalty kill.

Flaws: Does not own ideal size for the National Hockey League, so his energetic style can lead to too much wear and tear over the course of 82 games. Injuries and inconsistency are also factors here.

Career Potential: Versatile, speedy two-way forward.

5v5 even strength individual stats
2015-16 TOI 904:17 G 6 A 8 pts 14, shots 97 Fenwick 144 Corsi 165

So after looking at Eller's and Read's side by side statistics and analytics you'll see that Lars Eller is the better player at even strength, and Eller is 3 years younger then Read is. Eller also has 2 more years of experience then Read does, and Eller also has a higher upside at this point being the younger player with more experience. Eller has better Corsi and Fenwick stats then Read has. Read also makes 125k more then Eller does. So if you ask me value wise, Eller warranted a 2nd round pick and Read's worth would be that of a late 3rd round pick or early 4th round pick. I'd say Read is on the downside of his career now, but is still a serviceable player on a mainly 4th line winger role, but could also still crack the 3rd line if on the right team with players that may have a little more skill.

So if a team offered a 3rd round pick for Matt Read, I'd be more then happy to take that trade.

Eller got 2 2nd's

 

[Gecklund]

Wingels would need a 2nd or a 3rd and a prospect

 

[rt]

Quick Reminder: Arizona's 3rd will almost certainly be in the first ten picks of that round.

 

[NeedleInTheHay]

Yes, we'd take a third for Fehr. We can sign Cullen if we did that.

Why would the Pens trade a valuable player trying to defend the cup for an average pick?

 

[M.C.G. 31]

Mitchell. He's all yours.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Why would the Pens trade a valuable player trying to defend the cup for an average pick?

So that we can afford to sign a better player for probably a cheaper price (Matt Cullen). Getting rid of Fehr's contract will also help us next offseason when we need to re-sign our high value contracts. The third is an added bonus.

 

[Tripod]

Arizona's 3rd round pick for LW-RW Matt Read seems like fair value, but taking a deeper look. I know that some compare Lars Eller's points production to Matt Read's, and will have an argument that Eller fetched a 2nd round round from Washington, so it would only seem fair that Matt Read should be able to garner a 2nd round pick for his services, but if we put Eller and Read side by side in compassion the numbers don't say that Read would warrant the same return.

So if a team offered a 3rd round pick for Matt Read, I'd be more then happy to take that trade.

I could not handle quoting the whole quote.

As TT1 stated, Eller got back TWO 2nds. Hence why you see, myself included, saying that Read can get a 2nd for sure.

Hell, the Hextall in the last 2 years got a 3rd for Rinaldo. And Tye McGinn. And L.Schenn. And Grossmann.

Read is much more valuable than those guys. If he was available for a 3rd, he would be gone. Reality is, right now he is still in our top 8 forwards.