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Confirmed with Link: Avs trade de Haan, Parsinnen, a 2nd and a 4th to NYR for Lindgren (50% retained), Vesey, prospect Hank Kempf

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The Abusement Park said:
Well G was paired with Kylington most of the night who I thought had arguably the worst night of anyone.

Like I said new system and all for him so he gets more of a pass than the others, but I certainly didn’t love his first game. And neither did the stats. He had the 3rd worst xgf% of anyone on the team.
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Lindgren played a lot with G too though. He was paired most of the night with Malinski, but only had two more shifts with him than Girard.

He started off with Malsinki, but then Bednar double shifted him and starting playing him on the right side with G toward the end of the 1st, then a lot in the second and third. You can see it in the shift chart.

Lindgren Shifts

Malinski - 14
Girard - 12
Toews - 2
Makar - 1
Kylington - 1

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I'm starting to wonder if maybe the Avs had been talking to the Rangers about a Lindgren deal for a while, perhaps as a fallback plan, or wanted to wait to see how the deadline shook out.

But NYR wanted an NHL ready player with not much value, that the Avs didn't have to give up, and they didn't want Wood.

So maybe they made the Pavel for Parsinnen trade in late December, because NYR said they liked him, and might take him as part of a package with CDH and picks?

That could explain why he kind of got moved all over the roster, and didn't lock down 3C, despite playing in a way I thought Bednar would like. Then got scratched the last couple games.
 
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Foppa2118 said:
I'm starting to wonder if maybe the Avs had been talking to the Rangers about a Lindgren deal for a while, perhaps as a fallback plan, or wanted to wait to see how the deadline shook out.

But NYR wanted an NHL ready player with not much value, that the Avs didn't have to give up, and they didn't want Wood.

So maybe they made the Pavel for Parsinnen trade in late December, because NYR said they liked him, and might take him as part of a package with CDH and picks?

That could explain why he kind of got moved all over the roster, and didn't lock down 3C, despite playing in a way I thought Bednar would like. Then got scratched the last couple games.
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Yeah, maybe. But almost certainly not lol. It's probably not in the top 50 most likely reasons for why these trades happened
 
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a mangy Meowth said:
Yeah, maybe. But almost certainly not lol. It's probably not in the top 50 most likely reasons for why these trades happened
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Haha, seriously though, if the Rangers wanted a lesser value forward that could play in the NHL this year, and the Avs didn't want to move Kivi, and they wanted to keep Kelly for depth in the playoffs because Bednar likes him (5C), and the Rangers didn't want Wood, who would they give up?

Never made sense to me why Bednar wouldn't like the way Parssinen played. He forechecked hard, back checked hard, kept his feet moving even after hits, crashed the net, and produced some offense, especially early on. The two game scratch at the end seems trade related too.

Not uncommon for teams to trade for players they plan to flip.
 
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a mangy Meowth said:
Absolutely but that's not what you were suggesting :D
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Maybe I didn't explain it well, but that's what I was trying to suggest with this.

"So maybe they made the Pavel for Parsinnen trade in late December, because NYR said they liked him, and might take him as part of a package with CDH and picks?"

I'm just purely speculating though, I obviously could be wrong.
 
Foppa2118 said:
Maybe I didn't explain it well, but that's what I was trying to suggest with this speculation.

"So maybe they made the Pavel for Parsinnen trade in late December, because NYR said they liked him, and might take him as part of a package with CDH and picks?"
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I don't think they would trade a 3rd for a player they don't even really want, and force him into the lineup, just because some other team might like them in 3 months.

Beyond that, I'd argue he was more of a throw in for the trade - possibly the least valuable of the 4 things we sent (depends on how GMs view CDH I guess). I think he had very little value.
 
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a mangy Meowth said:
I don't think they would trade a 3rd for a player they don't even really want, and force him into the lineup, just because some other team might like them in 3 months.

Beyond that, I'd argue he was more of a throw in for the trade - possibly the least valuable of the 4 things we sent (depends on how GMs view CDH I guess). I think he had very little value.
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You might be right, but I don't think CMac gives two shits about a 3rd round pick.

Also, it wouldn't just be because they didn't want Parssinen, but also because they had a need for him in the middle of the season when their depth was struggling. Then they'd have the option to move him or not later.

I agree Parssienn would be a throw in, but my point was the Avs didn't have another NHL capable forward this year that the Rangers would want, and if that's what they wanted, they would value Parssinen more than Pavel + a 3rd.

The Avs have also done the reverse. Traded guys for picks that they flipped for players later.

I'm basing this mostly off the timing of the two trades, and that Parssinen's usage didn't really make sense to me, given how he played.

Again I'm just guessing though. I know you disagree, but I just wanted to explain my reasoning behind it.
 
Givani Smith being flipped for EJ feels kind of similar to me to Parssinnen being flipped for Lindgren.

He's much more of a Philly player than an Avs player. Didn't seem like he'd fit well with Bednar. Who knows though. Easily could be wrong.
 
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Foppa2118 said:
You might be right, but I don't think CMac gives two shits about a 3rd round pick.

Also, it wouldn't just be because they didn't want Parssinen, but also because they had a need for him in the middle of the season when their depth was struggling. Then they'd have the option to move him or not later.

I agree Parssienn would be a throw in, but my point was the Avs didn't have another NHL capable forward this year that the Rangers would want, and if that's what they wanted, they would value Parssinen more than Pavel + a 3rd.

The Avs have also done the reverse. Traded guys for picks that they flipped for players later.

I'm basing this mostly off the timing of the two trades, and that Parssinen's usage didn't really make sense to me, given how he played.

Again I'm just guessing though. I know you disagree, but I just wanted to explain my reasoning behind it.
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If there is a head-coach in the NHL that gives a shit about a third round pick, they should be fired immediately.

Just saying. Worrying about the future is the role of the GM. A HC only has one job... win tonight.
 
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expatriatedtexan said:
I feel that at some point, that is going to nip us in the ass.

But as the deadline is over for this season... that is an issue for another day.

For now... I'm feeling hungry. Let's get a cup for my cereal.
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Not more than it already has because none of their 3rd rounders ever turn into much.

They used to be pretty good at finding NHLers in the 3rd round in the 90's, an then ok in the early 2000's, but it's been a desert the last 14 years mostly since Bournival in 2010.

Annunen's probably the closes to being an NHL and he might not be one for long. He's got a sub 900 save % in Nashville after the trade.

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dahrougem2 said:
Smith is not an NHL player to me lol
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It's about value and fit on a team.

EJ's played 22 games this year basically as a 7/8 D. Smith has played 13 games this year, played 36 last year, and he's a better fit on a team like the Flyers. He makes very little sense to add into the Georgiev trade for the Avs given their style.

BTW, not sure if you saw the post, but Friedman said the Avs were in on Nelson, but he speculated they were "less likely" and admitted he was just guessing because it's Lou.

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dahrougem2 said:
I don't recall exact wording but if pressed I believe he said it wasn't likely Colorado. I could be wrong.
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Yeah Elliotte mentioned Colorado as a possibility with other teams, but said he thought they were "less likely."

He also added that it's Lou Lamoriello so we're all guessing.

This whole clip to me is an example of why Elliotte is the best. He gives fans his informed speculation, but makes sure they know he's just speculating.

 
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