Confirmed with Link: Avs trade de Haan, Parsinnen, a 2nd and a 4th to NYR for Lindgren (50% retained), Vesey, prospect Hank Kempf

[a mangy Meowth]

Me, and since when does Cmac care what Bednar wants?

lol. so true.

 

[Cypher]

CMac just playing 4-D Chess.

Fox was dragging Lindgren down.
Put Lindgren with Makar and see him succeed.
Ergo settling once and for all Makar > Fox

 

[ReleasO The KakkO]

A steep price for Lindgren? Are you kidding? A slow, becoming slower, turnover machine in de Haan who can't clear the puck and has very little speed and a weakling, 4th liner at best in Parssy who gets bulldozed in the corners and blasted out in front of the net. I can't believe an idiot like Fortunato who said the Rangers might have gotten the best defenseman in the deal. Oh yeah, conditional 2nd and 4th round picks. What's the hit rate on those? Absolute F'ing absurd.

Ranger fans - - let us know ten games in how you like de Haan as he moves like a turtle in your own zone while giving up the puck like Halloween candy. And when Parssinen plays, see how quickly a 6'3" player can make himself invisible on the ice.

I know it’s only 1 game so far (not 10) but I was there last night and isolated on Jusso on every shift. Really impressive - all over the ice forechecking, backchecking, net-front scrums, couple of blocks. Credited with team-high 6 hits.

Know who else had 6 hits? DeHaan. Who also had an assist and zero give-aways per official scorer.

Maybe it was freakish “new guy, new scenery” syndrome for both. We’ll see tonite if they both drop off against a slightly better opponent.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

I know it’s only 1 game so far (not 10) but I was there last night and isolated on Jusso on every shift. Really impressive - all over the ice forechecking, backchecking, net-front scrums, couple of blocks. Credited with team-high 6 hits.

Know who else had 6 hits? DeHaan. Who also had an assist and zero give-aways per official scorer.

Maybe it was freakish “new guy, new scenery” syndrome for both. We’ll see tonite if they both drop off against a slightly better opponent.

What position did Jusso play and on what line?

 

[S E P H]

So it sounds like (based on his press conference) MacFarland threw in the 4th to get Kampf, which could be due to how poor this draft is looking to be after the top 20.

 

[dahrougem2]

I know it’s only 1 game so far (not 10) but I was there last night and isolated on Jusso on every shift. Really impressive - all over the ice forechecking, backchecking, net-front scrums, couple of blocks. Credited with team-high 6 hits.

Know who else had 6 hits? DeHaan. Who also had an assist and zero give-aways per official scorer.

Maybe it was freakish “new guy, new scenery” syndrome for both. We’ll see tonite if they both drop off against a slightly better opponent.

You will like Parssinen.

You are going to detest De Haan with every fiber in your body. He is quite possibly the worst defenseman in the NHL. I have zero doubt about that.

 

[Vaslof]

I know it’s only 1 game so far (not 10) but I was there last night and isolated on Jusso on every shift. Really impressive - all over the ice forechecking, backchecking, net-front scrums, couple of blocks. Credited with team-high 6 hits.

Know who else had 6 hits? DeHaan. Who also had an assist and zero give-aways per official scorer.

Maybe it was freakish “new guy, new scenery” syndrome for both. We’ll see tonite if they both drop off against a slightly better opponent.

Pärssinen looked good here too. It just makes zero sense for the Avs to trade him when he looked better than our 2C at one seventh of the cap hit.

 

[Valushkin]

Pärssinen looked good here too. It just makes zero sense for the Avs to trade him when he looked better than our 2C at one seventh of the cap hit.

If by looked good you mean tall and handsome, I agree, otherwise I’m not sure what he did to have impact on the ice for the Avs

 

[ReleasO The KakkO]

What position did Jusso play and on what line?

3C

 

[BoxOfChocolates]

I liked Parssinen as well, De Haan on the other hand the less said the better

 

[Freaky Styley]

I think others have already said most of what I wanted to in response to this, but I'll add on a few things.

It's honestly pretty funny that you argue that it's not negativity but rather objectivity, but then describe the Avs not getting Seth Jones as a "whiff". As has been pointed out, we don't have a Spencer Knight equivalent to offer, and we don't even know for sure if Jones wanted to come here.

With regards to Manson, are you not aware that an injury can affect your decision-making? Overall though I'm just going to have to disagree, because when he is playing well, he brings something this team desperately needs. Big guys who can skate, move the puck, and play physical are very rare - it's insane how much he is undervalued here by some people.

Also, okay, I'll give you Parssinen's minutes were low, but who exactly was he outplaying to earn more minutes? And why is scratching him evidence of his low favor rather than because he was going to be traded? Could it just be that Bednar likes Drury and Kelly better as bottom six centers, and Parssinen doesn't really work as a winger? I just don't get why people assume when a guy doesn't fit, it's because Bednar hates him.

Yeah it's a steep price for Lindgren, but you never know if a new player is going to work out, and every acquisition is a risk. Yes, he might get injured, but who is the non-injury-prone player available we could have acquired instead who isn't named Seth Jones?

Also, one last example of something totally objective, not negative at all (emphasis added):


Wasted year? Really? Mitts is so bad he's going to single-handedly cost us our chance at the cup? And even though there's no one better available, we should just make a change because somehow replacing him with a worse player will solve the problem?

If you want to play semantics, I think it's more critical than objective.

I'll say again that we had a package Chicago was interested in if we were there until the wire. Maybe Knight was added right at the end, who knows. Hard to believe we weren't 2nd place and could have sweetened the pot.

Either way, I don't think there's anything wrong with a fanbase being critical of its management/coaching. Doesn't mean we are always right but there's enough reasons for questioning with the team as it stands. They have to earn my optimism, not the other way around.

 

[forsbergavs32]

If by looked good you mean tall and handsome, I agree, otherwise I’m not sure what he did to have impact on the ice for the Avs

With Necas here there was just too much handsome on the team, especially since we still have Lando lurking around

 

[Valushkin]

With Necas here there was just too much handsome on the team, especially since we still have Lando lurking around

We should bring back ERod to balance the team’s handsome/ugly ratio

 

[NOTENOUGHRYANTHINGS]

If you want to play semantics, I think it's more critical than objective.

I'll say again that we had a package Chicago was interested in if we were there until the wire. Maybe Knight was added right at the end, who knows. Hard to believe we weren't 2nd place and could have sweetened the pot.

Either way, I don't think there's anything wrong with a fanbase being critical of its management/coaching. Doesn't mean we are always right but there's enough reasons for questioning with the team as it stands. They have to earn my optimism, not the other way around.

Didn't Jones want nothing to do with the Avs?

 

[niwotsblessing]

Didn't Jones want nothing to do with the Avs?

Correct, Jones would not waive to come here. It wasn't about CMac not making a good offer, it was the player's decision.

 

[forsbergavs32]

Correct, Jones would not waive to come here. It wasn't about CMac not making a good offer, it was the player's decision.

Dallas or Florida only and an insider said Dallas wasn’t interested