Im not sure if there's anything keeping Sakic from shoving the contract in his drawer for another week. Or maybe it's just a deal in principle.
I do have a feeling that Radulov already knows where he's going. We're just all along for the ride.
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Im not sure if there's anything keeping Sakic from shoving the contract in his drawer for another week. Or maybe it's just a deal in principle.
I do have a feeling that Radulov already knows where he's going. We're just all along for the ride.
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The simplest explanation is always the correct one. Radulov and the Avs haven't come up with a contract they both can agree to yet. Radulov is still in contact with other clubs as well. There is likely a high degree of interest between both sides and it could be done at any time.
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Ducks sign Vatanen for 4 more years. Assuming that takes him off the market, it's becoming a wasteland for available defenders.
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Also, Vatanen is a fairly close comparable to Barrie. Should give us some perspective as to how much he will cost.
The simplest explanation is almost always the correct one. And I'm. OT saying he's signing with the Avs. I'm just saying he probably already knows who he is signing with.
Why does everyone else make it look so easy? Sure would be nice to get a surprise Barrie signing announcement.
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5 years, 6 million for Barrie. Lets just get it done. Avs get their player at a reasonable cap hit in "the structure" and get two FA years. Barrie gets paid, and still hits free agency at 29. Both sides win.
Foppa
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Maybe in your mind but certainly not in Barrie or his agents mind.
Barrie last two seasons: 53 and 49 points
Vatanen last two seasons: 37 and 38 points
It's a significant difference. Barrie is significantly more dynamic than Vatanen and it will show up in the AAV if we manage to sign him to a long-term deal.
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I'd like to pick up Despres now. On the other hand, I know he would get knocked out cold the 1st day of training camp and Mackinnon would somehow get suspended for it.
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NHL's stupid 35+ contracts. Any contract that is signed for players over 35 years old have some stupid rules to them. You can't get any savings from buying them out, only get 100K off the cap hit if you bury them in the AHL, and the cap hit stays if the player retires.
I have no idea why the NHL set these rules.
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35+ contract. When a player signs a contract after the age of 35 their caphit stays with the team even if the player retires.
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He just said they'd be qualified, just like Hamilton and Elliott were. I didn't see anything explicitly stated about keeping them.
This is what I get for posting before reading all of last nights content.
Great post here. This is a good representation of what this upcoming season is probably going to look like. They need meaningful progress from the young developing guys. Not leaps forward, necessarily. Just progress. And that can happen in the NHL. And IMO in the cases of Zadorov and Bigras, should happen in the NHL. Play them, live through the inevitable periodic pain, and have NHL-ready guys at the start of the 2017-18 season - while hopefully enjoying the fruits of freeing up $10M+ in bad contracts.
But while we do this, Sakic/Roy: Do. Not. Trade. Any. More. Prospects/Picks. For. Rentals. Or. Old. Crappy. Free. Agents.
I think most of us recognize they need sort of a bridge year but I don't think they see it that way and that's very scary.
He probably hasnt signed yet. Even if he's decided on a team, not having a cap number doesn't help anyone. Could be a couple deals are on the table depending on the scenario. I only believe he's coming here if he wants to above all else. The Avs aren't going to win a bidding war or have the glitziest presentation to persuade him. I know there's a lot out there that's conflicting but I believe the folks that say he's coming here. I know he's free to do whatever he wants until it happens too. I don't think it benefits him to get to July 1, I don't see why he'd want to be someone's backup plan or is just looking for straight money. But we'll see.
It's because before you could sign a 35+ player to an 8 year deal that you knew he'd never complete that was extremely front loaded and circumvent the cap. IMO, they should treat them the same way they treat an under 35 contract where you just get penalized for the difference between actual salary and AAV. I ink that's a fine way to handle it.
Vantanen is the better defender. Barrie can be more dynamic and think all he wants, but Vantanen finished at a +8, while Barrie finished at -16.
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I wonder if this deal will make Joe looking into a shorter kind deal for Barrie? A 4 year deal for Vatanen only buys 2 UFA years so it kept his cap hit low. A 4 year deal for Barrie only buys 1 UFA year. Yes it would suck that Barrie would almost certainly test the market and the end of that deal but if it means locking him in at around 5-5.5 per year that's well worth it IMO. I can see the desire for Barrie to do it as well.
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Disagree slightly but that's besides the point - I'm saying if you are Barrie and his agent, Vatanen in no way is setting your expectations, and he will get paid significantly more on a long-term deal.
I'm more than happy to be wrong though. Just don't think I am
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I feel like the easy answer is that Radulov probably has overpriced himself and is being pretty firm with his demands or a deal would be done (with someone). My guess is that it is the term more than the money that is the issue.
Disagree slightly but that's besides the point - I'm saying if you are Barrie and his agent, Vatanen in no way is setting your expectations, and he will get paid significantly more on a long-term deal.
I'm more than happy to be wrong though. Just don't think I am
And if I'm the front office, this is the closest comparison there is. Barrie is not one of the elite d-men in the league, and they can argue all they want about Erik Karlsson being the comparable, but it's not going to happen, not even in arbitration. $5M is a fair number for Barrie for what he brings to the table, anything over that is an over payment for a good puck moving defenseman and sub par defender.
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