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Incase it hasn't been said yet, Seattle has been guaranteed the exact same rules that LV had for their ED. so we know the rules already. The only difference is that LV itself would not participate in Seattle's ED.
This means for the Avs an ED in 2020 would be pretty straight forward, however an ED in 2021 would be very difficult with the higher number of young players that would then need to be protected.
As of now everyone would like 2020 but its a very aggressive and possibly barely realistic time table with no set backs, AS well that there is the assumption that another lockout wont happen.
Best case is 2020 but the more likely case is a painful ED in 2021
I think there are people who are reasonable about the trade Barrie situation, the problem becomes when the justification starts coming out that he sucks defensively, his impact is overrated, Makar/Timmins can easily replace him, all other defensemen are better, etc. When a player's ability is downgraded to justify the idea of the trade is where I have the issue in the discussion. ROR was going to get traded and it was pretty clear by the end. That didn't make ROR any worse of a player, he was still an elite #2C (still is now after his trade to St Louis).
The problem with this is you exaggerated the discussion to make it look worse than it is. I would be surprised if more than 1% of fans have definitively said that "Makar/Timmins can easily replace him" at this point. You also made up a pov that I don't think anyone has ever said before, that "all other defensemen are better" than Barrie.
The only thing accurate here is that people don't think Barrie is very good defensively, and that impacts his overall value.
From what I’ve gathered from the 2 sides is that
1)people are ok with trading Barrie because Makar/Girard/Timmins are coming up
2) people don’t like Barries D game. Which isn’t entirely incorrect
3) people realize the a D core with Barrie is better with him in it than out it.
It is expected that the rules will remain the same, but until the voting happens that can always change.
Girard won't cost 7M if Sakic does like Poile did with his top 4 and lock him for 8 years at a cheap cap hit. He should become the new Josi.
Usually top teams have one guy who can do everything, but our D is built around a collection of guys who have high end skills in certain areas. If we could combine Barrie and EJ then we'd have a EK, or a DD, but we have those elite skills just in different players.
Hedman?
A large Makar?
Take a look at your two likes, and you'll see who is constantly pushing the false narrative of "Makar/Timmins are already better than Barrie."The problem with this is you exaggerated the discussion to make it look worse than it is. I would be surprised if more than 1% of fans have definitively said that "Makar/Timmins can easily replace him" at this point. You also made up a pov that I don't think anyone has ever said before, that "all other defensemen are better" than Barrie.
The only thing accurate here is that people don't think Barrie is very good defensively, and that impacts his overall value.
I think after tonight.. Anyone who mentions being in favor of trading Barrie should be ignored by the entire board until July 1st 2019. You can come back and be relevant then if he refuses to sign a reasonable contract.
Lets hope our defense is built around Girard at 7M. Barrie at 7M, and Makar at 7M all on different pairings in the future.
The Avs will have 6 top 4 caliber dman in EJ, Zads, Girard, Barrie, Timmins, Makar.
We don’t know that. This line of thinking is not good, we literally have 0 clue what we have with Makar and Timmins at the NHL level.
And if you truly believe that Barrie is top 5 at what he does than why would you want to get rid of him?
We don’t know that. This line of thinking is not good, we literally have 0 clue what we have with Makar and Timmins at the NHL level.
And if you truly believe that Barrie is top 5 at what he does than why would you want to get rid of him?
This... and it isn't a 100% given that Barrie is the most logical to move. At very least it is debatable that EJ should be the guy moved, if any ever need to be.
We have 2 high end prospects in Makar and Timmins that fill Barries role on the team and are ready to replace him. We do not currently have any suitable replacements for EJ and what he brings to the team. If the Avs drafted Miro instead of Makar that would be different. EJ is also cost controlled while Barrie is not. EJ would also likely return less is a trade and draw less interest.
We have 2 high end prospects in Makar and Timmins that fill Barries role on the team and are ready to replace him. We do not currently have any suitable replacements for EJ and what he brings to the team. If the Avs drafted Miro instead of Makar that would be different. EJ is also cost controlled while Barrie is not. EJ would also likely return less is a trade and draw less interest.
The two high end prospects are not ready to fill that role by any stretch. Timmins never will be able to. He is much more of a two way guy that would be more in line with replacing EJ than Barrie. EJ is also 3 years older and has injury issues... not good for a defensemen on the wrong side of 30. I'd say odds are high EJ won't be able to play EJ's current role in 2 seasons.
You're counting your chickens WAY before they've hatched, especially given the very serious health issues plaguing Timmins the last two years.
Yes, if it comes down to it and you absolutely HAD to trade one, you trade EJ. He's older, more injury-prone, and very likely to hit a decline soon. Barrie is still in his prime and one of the top point-producers in the league at his position. I don't want either to go but right now, EJ is the guy you deal.
The NHL is a game of imperfect information, if you try and treat it as a game of certainty you will always be behind and make incorrect decisions. We know exactly what we have in Timmins and Makar and where there game is currently at. We also know the trajectory for these players historically.