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Avs aquire Charlie Coyle + 2026 5th for Mittelstadt + Will Zellers + 2025 2nd

shadow1 said:
It's the consistency. After his huge October, he was pretty bad for a long time. He had a 14-game pointless/17-game goalless stretch this season. His worst stretch last season was a 5-game pointless skid. Even with his recently improved play, he's only scored 2 goals in his last 32gp (both in the same game).

Absolutely agree he has a decent amount of value. Colton's road was bumpier this season, but I'm glad he's hot at the right time.
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Yes, he's an inconsistent scorer. That's why he's a 3rd line player.

Last year, he went on a drought where he scored 1 goal in 21 games.
The year before with TB, he went on a drought where he scored 1 goal in 18 games.
The year before that with TB, he went on a drought where he scored 1 goal in 28 games.

This is simply what he does. But in the end, he gives you 20(ish) goals and 40 (ish) points. Also simply what he does.
 
ABasin said:
Yes, he's an inconsistent scorer. That's why he's a 3rd line player.

Last year, he went on a drought where he scored 1 goal in 21 games.
The year before with TB, he went on a drought where he scored 1 goal in 18 games.
The year before that with TB, he went on a drought where he scored 1 goal in 28 games.

This is simply what he does. But in the end, he gives you 20(ish) goals and 40 (ish) points. Also simply what he does.
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I think the concern is that, unlike last year or the one prior with TB, all of his goals came while playing on the 1st line + PP this season during our big injury bug.

Since Coyle joined, he’s been racking up assists on the 3rd line, but before that, he hasn’t been producing at all as a 3rd liner.
 
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ABasin said:
Yes, he's an inconsistent scorer. That's why he's a 3rd line player.

Last year, he went on a drought where he scored 1 goal in 21 games.
The year before with TB, he went on a drought where he scored 1 goal in 18 games.
The year before that with TB, he went on a drought where he scored 1 goal in 28 games.

This is simply what he does. But in the end, he gives you 20(ish) goals and 40 (ish) points. Also simply what he does.
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Never in his career has Colton had a cold streak like the one he had this season: 7pts in 33gp, including a 0pt in 14gp stretch.

In real time, due to the 4Nations, the pointless streak lasted 1.5 months: started 1/11, ended 2/26. He only has 58gp this season, that's why his extended dry spell isn't far from people's minds.
 
Unless Nelson has a big playoffs or shows hes fitting in better than he currently has, I would probably let him walk and move Necas to 2C starting next year and target a good winger instead which will be cheaper than going for a 2C. Or if Landy shows he can stay healthy and play like a 2nd liner or better he'd basically be the winger addition for next year. Drouin needs to stay too.

Something like

Drouin-Mack-Nuke
Landy-Necas-Lehky
Kivirantanen-Coyle-UFA
Kelly-Drury-LOC

Wood and Colton need to get punted. Sign 1 to 2 UFA wingers to play 3rd line wing and maybe bump Kivi to 4th line.
 
If Landy returns full-time, something will have to give. They won't be able to keep all of Manson, Girard, Wood, Colton, Coyle, and re-sign Nelson, Lindgren, Drouin, Malinski, EJ, and Kivi.

I really wonder if they'll keep Coyle if they can re-sign Nelson. Drury can be their 3C, so they could move Coyle and have Kelly or Ivan be the 4C. I doubt they pay to keep Kivi either.


Out: Wood, Colton, Coyle ($11.75M)

In: Landy ($7M), Nelson (4 x $7.5M), Droiun (4 x $4M), Lindgren (4 x $4.5M), and Malinski (2 x $1.25M)

This would leave approximately $1.548M in cap space.

JD/Mack/Nuke
Landy/Nelly/Necas
Lehky/Drury/LOC
Ivan/Kelly/Prish

Toews/Makar
Lind/Malinski
Girard/Manz
Middleton

MBW
SWW


Or, they could keep Coyle and trade one of Manson or Girard.

Out: Wood, Colton, Manson (($11M ($11.5 with Girard))

In: Landy ($7M), Nelson (4 x $7.5M), Droiun (4 x $4M), Lindgren (4 x $4.5M), and Malinski (2 x $1.25M)

This would result in $1.643M or $2.143M in cap space, depending on who they traded.

JD/Mack/Nuke
Landy/Nelly/Necas
Lehky/Coyle/LOC
Kelly/Drury/Prish

Toews/Makar
Lind/Malinski
G/Middelton

MBW
SWW
 
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Necas is no more a center than Rantanen was. That's not a remotely viable solution.

I'm okay with them trying Ivan at 4C again but not on board with Kelly going back there. The difference in his play since shifting to the wing is like night and day. He's a winger who can take faceoffs but not a center.
 
TruePowerSlave said:
Exactly

Well they do have 1st rounders, it's not like that is nothing. If Nelson walks they have to get a #2C or they might as well waive a white flag for next year.
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They don't even have 1st rounders the next two years though. They'll have to trade important roster players to get a new 2C, if Nelson walks, and they don't want to use Coyle.

Seems like trying Coyle, and then revisiting at the deadline fits their MO, but we'll see.
 
Foppa2118 said:
They don't even have 1st rounders the next two years though. They'll have to trade important roster players to get a new 2C, if Nelson walks, and they don't want to use Coyle.

Seems like trying Coyle, and then revisiting at the deadline fits their MO, but we'll see.
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Sounds like a bad MO. There are very few #2 centers available each deadline and they cost a fortune.

Without one this team won't contend and they really really should until the time is up.
 
Foppa2118 said:
They don't even have 1st rounders the next two years though. They'll have to trade important roster players to get a new 2C, if Nelson walks, and they don't want to use Coyle.

Seems like trying Coyle, and then revisiting at the deadline fits their MO, but we'll see.
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Signing Nelson seems more like their MO to me, but as you say.. we'll see.

I've been playing on capwages and I just noticed today that when I hover over the UFA block next to Nelson's name, I get a pop up that says 3 x $6,732,750 (7.05% of the cap). Is this supposed to be a suggested new contract for him?

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Foppa2118 said:
How would they get one then if Nelson walks?
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Hard to say without knowing what's available. Trade future 1st rounders and any prospects worth a damn. If Coyle is the number two center the Avs are not contending for a cup.

CMac has put himself in a bad spot. If Nelson walks he has wasted an enormous amount of assets in the #2C pursuit and will have nothing to show for it.
 
expatriatedtexan said:
Signing Nelson seems more like their MO to me, but as you say.. we'll see.

I've been playing on capwages and I just noticed today that when I hover over the UFA block next to Nelson's name, I get a pop up that says 3 x $6,732,750 (7.05% of the cap). Is this supposed to be a suggested new contract for him?

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I'm sure they'd prefer Nelson, but it's not just their decision to make. Nelson has to agree to stay and there's been a fair amount of smoke about him going back home to Minny.
 
TruePowerSlave said:
Hard to say without knowing what's available. Trade future 1st rounders and any prospects worth a damn. If Coyle is the number two center the Avs are not contending for a cup.
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Best they could do there would be a 2027 1st and Gulyayev/Behrens though. Not sure what kind of 2C that would bring in. Especially if other teams are bidding.

Coyle just scored 25 goals and 60 points a year ago. Most, including myself, thought the Avs could win a Cup with Mitts producing at a 60 point level. Coyle is a more multi dimensional player than Mitts too.

If Coyle can get back to 60 point production in a 2C role, while being a good face-off guy, and a good physical presence, an agitator, and a great PKer, I think they can win with that.
 
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Foppa2118 said:
Best they could do there would be a 2027 1st and Gulyayev/Behrens though. Not sure what kind of 2C that would bring in. Especially if other teams are bidding.

Coyle just scored 25 goals and 60 points a year ago. Most, including myself, thought the Avs could win a Cup with Mitts producing at a 60 point level. Coyle is a more multi dimensional player than Mitts too.

If Coyle can get back to 60 point production in a 2C role, while being a good face-off guy, and a good physical presence, an agitator, and a great PKer, I think they can win with that.
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Thinking Coyle as the #2C is enough to win a cup is highly optimistic.
 
Pokecheque said:
Necas is no more a center than Rantanen was. That's not a remotely viable solution.
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That's not remotely true. Rantanen has always been a winger (drafted as a RW), Necas is a natural center (drafted as a C)

He's not as good but has the same tools as Mackinnon, it's easy to see why it didn't work at center in Carolina but could work here. These 2 teams don't exactly ask for the same things from their centers.

If anything he's a better fit at center here than both Nelson and Coyle.
 
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Balthazar said:
That's not remotely true. Rantanen has always been a winger (drafted as a RW), Necas is a natural center (drafted as a C)

He has the same tools Mackinnon, it's easy to see why it didn't work at center in Carolina but could work here. These 2 teams don't exactly ask for the same things at C.
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I'm willing to bet Rants has played a ton more at center at the pro level (I believe his rookie season in the AHL he was almost exclusively a center) than Necas has so far.

If Necas was really a center, he would be already be one by now.
 
TruePowerSlave said:
Thinking Coyle as the #2C is enough to win a cup is highly optimistic.
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This team has two of the best players in the world in MacKinnon and Makar, as well as pt/gm players like Necas, Val, and hopefully Landy, as well as Drouin and Lehky, one of the best D men in the NHL in Toews, as well as Girard, and at the moment what looks like a very good goaltending tandem.

They don't need a high end 2C to win. They have great players all around the 2C and very limited cap space and assets. They just need Coyle to get to a 60 point level and be solid IMO.

If it wasn't highly optimistic to think the Avs could win with a 60 point Mitts, then it shouldn't be for a 60 point Coyle who brings more to the table.
 
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Foppa2118 said:
This team has two of the best players in the world in MacKinnon and Makar, as well as pt/gm players like Necas, Val, and hopefully Landy, as well as Drouin and Lehky, one of the best D men in the NHL in Toews, as well as Girard, and at the moment what looks like a very good goaltending tandem.

They don't need a high end 2C to win. They have great players all around the 2C and very limited cap space and assets. They just need Coyle to get to a 60 point level and be solid IMO.

If it wasn't highly optimistic to think the Avs could win with a 60 point Mitts, then it shouldn't be for a 60 point Coyle who brings more to the table.
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I struggle with the phrase that the Avs don’t need a high end 2C to win.
What evidence do we have that suggests this?
 
EdAVSfan said:
I struggle with the phrase that the Avs don’t need a high end 2C to win.
What evidence do we have that suggests this?
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Just my opinion. Much worse teams have won wihtout a high end 2C, but if evidence is a requirement, this site might be in trouble. :laugh:

Did you think the Avs could win the Cup with Mitts at 2C? What evidence was there that he was a high end 2C?
 
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