Avs aquire Charlie Coyle + 2026 5th for Mittelstadt + Will Zellers + 2025 2nd

[TruePowerSlave]

2 assists in 12 games

Ideally Coyle would not be on the team next season because of the 5M ticket, it's going to be tight already with the cap. The guys who make that much on this team have to be difference makers.

 

[Pokecheque]

2 assists in 12 games

Ideally Coyle would not be on the team next season because of the 5M ticket, it's going to be tight already with the cap. The guys who make that much on this team have to be difference makers.

Assists require someone on his line who can actually finish. Colton is setting up on the hashmarks and still sending shots wide. Right now he couldn't score at a strip club with a suitcase full of cash.

THAT guy and Wood are the ones who need to go.

 

[Foppa2118]

I highly doubt they trade for another 2C next summer.

Yeah that's why it seems to me like Coyle might be the plan at 2C if Nelson walks.

They don't have any future assets to bring in a 2C and the UFA class isn't very good. Bennett is the only one I could see them pursuing, but there's going to be a huge bidding war for him, and the Avs could have had him multiple times in the past for cheap if they liked him.

Outside chance they target Granlund, but he's 33, and they'd get a lot smaller. He'll also probably get a big contract from the lack of centers on the market.

If they decide to trade for a 2C, they'll have to move someone like Lehky or Val, which I think is pretty unlikely, or package Coyle or Manson, and Manson seems unlikely because they'd just have to replace him somehow with the same lack of assets and UFA's.

Trading for Coyle without retention at $5.25M to play 3C seems pretty out of character for the Avs too.

 

[MacKaRtin]

2 assists in 12 games

Ideally Coyle would not be on the team next season because of the 5M ticket, it's going to be tight already with the cap. The guys who make that much on this team have to be difference makers.

Oh my, those are Jost numbers! Even Casey is plugging away at his usual roughly 0.5 points per game in Boston

 

[Richard88]

Oh my, those are Jost numbers! Even Casey is plugging away at his usual roughly 0.5 points per game in Boston

Who cares how many points Coyle gets in the regular season? If he can shutdown opposition scoring lines he's already a net positive as 3C, anything else is a bonus

 

[Balthazar]

Assists require someone on his line who can actually finish. Colton is setting up on the hashmarks and still sending shots wide. Right now he couldn't score at a strip club with a suitcase full of cash.

THAT guy and Wood are the ones who need to go.

With Coyle on board Colton is 100% getting traded next summer. He has to.

I wish I knew the details of his M-NTC. As good as Capwages has been it's the kind of stuff that's still missing from Capfriendly.

 

[Foppa2118]

With Coyle on board Colton is 100% getting traded next summer. He has to.

I wish I knew the details of his M-NTC. As good as Capwages has been it's the kind of stuff that's still missing from Capfriendly.

I've unfortunately had to write off CapWages because they're so unreliable, even though they're much easier to look at than PuckPedia.

I've noticed a few of their percentage of cap contracts were off this year, and it was pointed out to me recently their LTIR calculations are wrong.

Not sure why it's so difficult for PuckPedia to make a clean looking site. Both of them have been blowing it in different ways after being given he keys to the castle from CapFriendly.

 

[Balthazar]

I've unfortunately had to write off CapWages because they're so unreliable, even though they're much easier to look at than PuckPedia.

I've noticed a few of their percentage of cap contracts were off this year, and it was pointed out to me recently their LTIR calculations are wrong.

Not sure why it's so difficult for PuckPedia to make a clean looking site. Both of them have been blowing it in different ways after being given he keys to the castle from CapFriendly.

It's pointless to have accurate information when your website looks like PuckPedia. I refuse to go there.

 

[Richard88]

With Coyle on board Colton is 100% getting traded next summer. He has to.

I wish I knew the details of his M-NTC. As good as Capwages has been it's the kind of stuff that's still missing from Capfriendly.

If it's not Colton getting moved it may need to be Coyle, though that's not my preference.

Moving both (and Wood) would also be an option to fit everyone else in too, as shown by the 23 man roster below ($5,000 under the cap ceiling).

Colton $4mx2 and Coyle $5.25m x 1 would probably fetch some decent picks and the Avs would still have a pretty decent forward lineup.

 

[Balthazar]

Colton $4mx2 and Coyle $5.25m x 1 would probably fetch some decent picks

I'm not sure any of them have positive value, especially now that everyone knows Colton can't play center.

Wood has negative value for sure.

 

[dahrougem2]

I'm not sure any of them have positive value, especially now that everyone knows Colton can't play center.

Wood has negative value for sure.

Trust me, there's a few teams out there that would look at Ross Colton's points and physical play and convince themselves they could use him in a 2nd line role.

Look at teams like San Jose, Chicago, Anaheim, and Calgary. Up and coming teams (Calgary a bit older) that cannot score goals.

Then you have the middling teams who may want to compete for playoff spots next season like Boston, Nashville and NYI who also cannot score goals.

We see Colton as a negative, absolutely, because of the makeup of our team and what we expected versus what we got.

Other teams may have a use for him, and if all it costs is draft picks they'll be all over that.

 

[Balthazar]

Trust me, there's a few teams out there that would look at Ross Colton's points and physical play and convince themselves they could use him in a 2nd line role.

Look at teams like San Jose, Chicago, Anaheim, and Calgary. Up and coming teams (Calgary a bit older) that cannot score goals.

Then you have the middling teams who may want to compete for playoff spots next season like Boston, Nashville and NYI who also cannot score goals.

We see Colton as a negative, absolutely, because of the makeup of our team and what we expected versus what we got.

Other teams may have a use for him, and if all it costs is draft picks they'll be all over that.

I think he's tradable for another contract. Like Mitts.

 

[Foppa2118]

A deep playoff run where he plays an agitating role, and scores a couple big goals, could go a long way to upping Colton's value too. Teams are always looking for players like that.

Ross is having a better goal scoring season, and a very similar point producing season pace wise, as last year too.

He's on a 21 goal 40 point pace over 82 games this year. Last year he had 17 goals and 40 points in 80 games (41 pt pace). That's not terrible for $4M.

He could end up forming a pretty good playoff style 3rd line with Landy and Coyle too.

 

[Richard88]

A deep playoff run where he plays an agitating role, and scores a couple big goals, could go a long way to upping Colton's value too. Teams are always looking for players like that.

Ross is having a better goal scoring season, and a very similar point producing season pace wise, as last year too.

He's on a 21 goal 40 point pace over 82 games this year. Last year he had 17 goals and 40 points in 80 games (41 pt pace). That's not terrible for $4M.

He could end up forming a pretty good playoff style 3rd line with Landy and Coyle too.

Yeah Colton pacing for 41 points consistently the last two seasons (as well as prior to that in Tampa) is typical value for $4m. He's also at 51.3% faceoffs for his career (over 2,000 draws which is a decent sample) so some GM could convince themselves that he can play center in their system. Spending a 2nd round pick on Colton with a manageable $4m x 2 year contract would also likely be more prudent than handing out some big 4-5 year UFA deal this summer. He'd definitely have value.

As for Coyle, he'd be in demand for the exact same reasons that the Avs acquired him.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

I think it was a big miss not getting like $750k retained on Coyle or something like that, but the Avs were desperate and had their hands tied with a couple of hours left before the deadline.

Mittelstadt couldn’t be on this team past the deadline and the Bruins weren’t budging. I believe they would’ve traded him to Winnipeg if we didn’t meet their asking price.

 

[MacKaRtin]

Who cares how many points Coyle gets in the regular season? If he can shutdown opposition scoring lines he's already a net positive as 3C, anything else is a bonus

I dunno, Bednar usually doesn't match lines, and if anything, he prefers to go with best on best

 

[dmac7719]

I dunno, Bednar usually doesn't match lines, and if anything, he prefers to go with best on best

And he will continue too, one of the Avs best strategies they have.

But eventually, opposition coaches learn that they can't match Bednar's game plan and need to put their best players out away from Mack. With the way Coyle plays, makes it a lot harder for a coach to find a matchup they'd like for their best players.

 

[Richard88]

And he will continue too, one of the Avs best strategies they have.

But eventually, opposition coaches learn that they can't match Bednar's game plan and need to put their best players out away from Mack. With the way Coyle plays, makes it a lot harder for a coach to find a matchup they'd like for their best players.

Yeah, opposing coaches effectively have to choose between putting their top guys out against MacKinnon/Makar or have them grind it out against Colton/Coyle/Landeskog. Have fun with that

 

[ABasin]

Yeah that's why it seems to me like Coyle might be the plan at 2C if Nelson walks.

I believe this is what we'll see.

 

[ABasin]

Trust me, there's a few teams out there that would look at Ross Colton's points and physical play and convince themselves they could use him in a 2nd line role.

Look at teams like San Jose, Chicago, Anaheim, and Calgary. Up and coming teams (Calgary a bit older) that cannot score goals.

Then you have the middling teams who may want to compete for playoff spots next season like Boston, Nashville and NYI who also cannot score goals.

We see Colton as a negative, absolutely, because of the makeup of our team and what we expected versus what we got.

Other teams may have a use for him, and if all it costs is draft picks they'll be all over that.

I honestly don't know why so many people are down on Colton. He is the player he always was, and pretty consistently so.

20g/40pt-ish guy (he's on almost exactly that pace this season also, amotrized over 82 games), streaky like a lot of non-1st line players are, more of a physical game than a cerebral one, plays tough, some skill but somewhat limited here also, 3rd line guy who can temporarily fill in on the 2nd line. Pretty much exactly like he was in Tampa.

I guess we can be disappointed we got a wing rather than a center, but he's producing at an almost identical rate that he has over the past 3 seasons, and given where the cap is going, he's not overpaid. IMO, aside from the center/wing thing, the Avs got pretty much exactly what they paid for.

He'd get snatched up quite quickly if the Avs made him available.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

Coyle can't be the #2C. He isn't suited for the role.

They would have to spend more assets again to get a proper #2C if Nelson walks.

 

[flyfysher]

Coyle can't be the #2C. He isn't suited for the role.

They would have to spend more assets again to get a proper #2C if Nelson walks.

What assets?

 

[TruePowerSlave]

What assets?

Exactly

Well they do have 1st rounders, it's not like that is nothing. If Nelson walks they have to get a #2C or they might as well waive a white flag for next year.

 

[ABasin]

Coyle can't be the #2C. He isn't suited for the role.

Defensively, he is. They'd have to put some scoring power on his wings to make it even theoretically palatable.

Not ideal, I agree. But I suspect this is how they'll start the season.

 

[shadow1]

I honestly don't know why so many people are down on Colton. He is the player he always was, and pretty consistently so.

20g/40pt-ish guy (he's on almost exactly that pace this season also, amotrized over 82 games), streaky like a lot of non-1st line players are, more of a physical game than a cerebral one, plays tough, some skill but somewhat limited here also, 3rd line guy who can temporarily fill in on the 2nd line. Pretty much exactly like he was in Tampa.

I guess we can be disappointed we got a wing rather than a center, but he's producing at an almost identical rate that he has over the past 3 seasons, and given where the cap is going, he's not overpaid. IMO, aside from the center/wing thing, the Avs got pretty much exactly what they paid for.

He'd get snatched up quite quickly if the Avs made him available.

It's the consistency. After his huge October, he was pretty bad for a long time. He had a 14-game pointless/17-game goalless stretch this season. His worst stretch last season was a 5-game pointless skid. Even with his recently improved play, he's only scored 2 goals in his last 32gp (both in the same game).

Absolutely agree he has a decent amount of value. Colton's road was bumpier this season, but I'm glad he's hot at the right time.