Avs aquire Charlie Coyle + 2026 5th for Mittelstadt + Will Zellers + 2025 2nd

[The Abusement Park]

How can I explain it at this point...let's try another analogy:

Asset management: "I'm broke, and I had to spend $30 on a sandwich because I made the poor decision of not bringing my own lunch."

Not asset management: "I'm no longer hungry"

Coyle is a good fit and I'm glad that CMac fixed his mistakes. That doesn't mean that it was smart asset management. It's two different things.

Not fixing mistakes you made is also bad asset management.

 

[The Pwnerer]

11 games 2 points.... how we feeling about this one? If we don't win a Cup this year or next this trade is going to look really gross. Zellers is looking like an absolute stud in his +1 year.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

11 games 2 points.... how we feeling about this one? If we don't win a Cup this year or next this trade is going to look really gross. Zellers is looking like an absolute stud in his +1 year.

Coyle is a 3rd line center brought in to play heavy defensive minutes, give a right-handed faceoff and PK ace, and make life hell for the opposition down the middle.

I'm very happy with him. Important player for us come playoff time.

Zellers is a 160 pound prospect playing in the USHL. Zero significance for us in our window.

 

[dahrougem2]

11 games 2 points.... how we feeling about this one? If we don't win a Cup this year or next this trade is going to look really gross. Zellers is looking like an absolute stud in his +1 year.

How is Zellers looking like a stud? He turns 19 next week and is still in the USHL. He SHOULD be in the NCAA right now IMO. Playing in the USHL in his D+1 is a waste to me.

 

[Ceremony]

I've looked up Zellers and I'm pretty sure he's AI generated

 

[AvStock]

Byram is playing good hockey in Buffalo. Mittlejost STINKS and some of y’all are still defending the trade. That could very well be the trade that shut the window for good

 

[flyfysher]

Byram is playing good hockey in Buffalo. Mittlejost STINKS and some of y’all are still defending the trade. That could very well be the trade that shut the window for good

As a Byram fan, you need to let this go. No one could have foreseen that Mitts would blow up like he did. No GM has ever been perfect either. I will say that’s two recent TDLs at least, 2022 and 2025 where the Avs were about as well positioned to make a run for the SC as I’ve seen.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

I've looked up Zellers and I'm pretty sure he's AI generated

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Even the wrinkles in the jersey look fake somehow.

 

[The Abusement Park]

11 games 2 points.... how we feeling about this one? If we don't win a Cup this year or next this trade is going to look really gross. Zellers is looking like an absolute stud in his +1 year.

The only thing that matters is how he performs in the playoffs. Not much production right now, but the 3rd lines been dominant possession wise.

 

[Balthazar]

No one could have foreseen that Mitts would blow up like he did.

I don't know. He's still playing in Boston like he did in Colorado this year and during his first 4 seasons in Buffalo. Hard to tell which one is the real Mitts at this point.

I'm not blaming CMac but it was somewhat risky. Honestly I think CMac has been unlucky with most of his gambles. Hopefully the new guys (Necas, Coyle, Nelson and Lindgren) are going to change this.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

11 games 2 points.... how we feeling about this one? If we don't win a Cup this year or next this trade is going to look really gross. Zellers is looking like an absolute stud in his +1 year.

Yet he's a +4, and is 6th overall in xGF% for the Avalanche.

Guess who the top 5 are... If you didn't have Stienburg as #1 you were wrong. EJ is #3. Kylington #5.*

Stienburg - 62.28
Necas - 62.14
Johnson - 61.09
MacKinnon - 57.46
Kylington - 57.17
Coyle - 56.57

I'm just not seeing what the problem with Coyle is. He's a third liner. You want more production from him, play him on a higher line, otherwise shut the f*** up and enjoy watching a third line do EXACTLY what a third line is supposed to do. IF you NEED more, just content yourself with the fact that Landeskog will most likely be joining him on the LW in the playoffs.

*xGF% numbers are for this season only and at 5v5

 

[flyfysher]

I don't know. He's still playing in Boston like he did in Colorado this year and during his first 4 seasons in Buffalo. Hard to tell which one is the real Mitts at this point.

I'm not blaming CMac but it was somewhat risky. Honestly I think CMac has been unlucky with most of his gambles. Hopefully the new guys (Necas, Coyle, Nelson and Lindgren) are going to change this.

There’s always a tremendous risk with trades. There have been some real stinkers like RyJo and Georgiev. Mitts just didn’t work out and it’s frustrating because he showed he had the ability to play well. But as JB observed, this is a results driven business.

It’s pretty obvious that Necas, Coyle, Nelson and Lindgren fit in very well

 

[Balthazar]

There’s always a tremendous risk with trades. There have been some real stinkers like RyJo and Georgiev. Mitts just didn’t work out and it’s frustrating because he showed he had the ability to play well. But as JB observed, this is a results driven business.

It’s pretty obvious that Necas, Coyle, Nelson and Lindgren fit in very well

Still too early to tell. If we don't win the cup and Nelson and Lindgren walk then it goes to the unlucky pile.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

There’s always a tremendous risk with trades. There have been some real stinkers like RyJo and Georgiev. Mitts just didn’t work out and it’s frustrating because he showed he had the ability to play well. But as JB observed, this is a results driven business.

It’s pretty obvious that Necas, Coyle, Nelson and Lindgren fit in very well

I haven't ever been this excited to see the Avs added bulk and C depth at the deadline. And another depth D.

Like the only way I could be any happier is if Cmac added Walker Duhaime and Trenin at the deadline.

 

[Vaslof]

I'm worried about Coyle in the long term because a bottom six guy making 5M+ will have to contribute a lot to be worth the price. So far he has delivered.

 

[Pokecheque]

11 games 2 points.... how we feeling about this one? If we don't win a Cup this year or next this trade is going to look really gross. Zellers is looking like an absolute stud in his +1 year.

We knew offense wasn’t his forte. Also he has Colton, who is playing well of late but totally and completely snakebitten, as his only consistent winger. Kiviranta is more productive but not by much. That line is an absolute beast on the forecheck, which is what the Avs need.

 

[flyfysher]

Still too early to tell. If we don't win the cup and Nelson and Lindgren walk then it goes to the unlucky pile.

They fit in well. Whether they would stay is just one of those tremendous risks.

 

[Foppa2118]

I don't know. He's still playing in Boston like he did in Colorado this year and during his first 4 seasons in Buffalo. Hard to tell which one is the real Mitts at this point.

I'm not blaming CMac but it was somewhat risky. Honestly I think CMac has been unlucky with most of his gambles. Hopefully the new guys (Necas, Coyle, Nelson and Lindgren) are going to change this.

This is what happens when you go all in every year like some fans throught they should do.

The more trades you make, the more mistakes you will have. The bigger the trades, the higher the chances for a mistake. It adds up over time, and makes the margin for error smaller, because you might have shortened your window, and now you have to win to make up for the lost future assets.

This is why going all in every year is a bad strategy IMO. You have to be more selective. This is why I think it was ok not to go all in during 22-23. I think they lost patience with the Byram-Mitts trade though. I advocated a stop gap move instead and I think it has proven that would have been better.

CMac was extremely aggressive this year, but this season, and this team just feels different. Unlike past years, they were relatively healthy, they improved their goaltending, and it was another year down the road. Just like you can't go all in every year, you can't be patient every year either.

I think this was the right year to be aggressive. After the deadline, the team has a domination factor that I haven't seen since 22, when they looked incredibly hard to beat. Individuals have looked good in early results before, but the team has rarely looked this good. Just wish they traded for a top 4 D man.

Nelson may walk, but if he does, I think that means Lindgren stays, and Coyle's salary at 3C won't be an issue, because he'll likely be the 2C.

Coyle's offensive production could still be an issue then, but I feel like he's got more to give there, if he plays in a bigger role with more skilled linemates.

He skates well, he battles, he's got good instincts, he's shown flashes of skill with good hands, and he seems very coachable. I think that bodes well for his chances at producing more in a bigger role on the Avs.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

It's going to be real tight once again with the cap. Having a 5M+ 3rd liner is not ideal.

 

[Balthazar]

It's going to be real tight once again with the cap. Having a 5M+ 3rd liner is not ideal.

Certainly not with 4M Colton playing on his wing.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

I'm worried about Coyle in the long term because a bottom six guy making 5M+ will have to contribute a lot to be worth the price. So far he has delivered.

Good chance he will be our #2 like center next season. It's a small possibility.

 

[shadow1]

Coyle's individual stats don't tell the full story. He's fit the Avs like a glove and that third line has been solid. Colton has 8a in his last 11gp after having 5a the entire season. Kiviranta was cold for months and had 4g 1a in 9gp (w/Coyle) before getting injured. Avs are 8-2-1 with Coyle in the lineup. Coyle individually is 10GF/4GA. Just looking at his points is missing the bigger picture, IMO.

Imagine if Colorado kept Mittelstadt and tried to use him in a 3rd line role. No hyperbole, having Coyle there instead of Mitts could be the difference in winning a series/possibly the Cup.

 

[shadow1]

Good chance he will be our #2 like center next season. It's a small possibility.

If that happens, it's completely due to future mistakes by CMac. Colorado has nearly $9M in cap space this off-season, $16M if Landeskog is on LTIR. That's without any salary cap maneuvering (i.e. Colton, Manson, Wood). If the Avs head into next season with Coyle as the 2C, it'll be 2023 all over again. Which I don't believe will happen, CMac has made nearly 20 trades the last two years.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

If that happens, it's completely due to future mistakes by CMac. Colorado has nearly $9M in cap space this off-season, $16M if Landeskog is on LTIR. That's without any salary cap maneuvering (i.e. Colton, Manson, Wood). If the Avs head into next season with Coyle as the 2C, it'll be 2023 all over again. Which I don't believe will happen, CMac has made nearly 20 trades the last two years.

Cmac is running out of bullets for the endless cycle of #2Cs they've tried out.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

If that happens, it's completely due to future mistakes by CMac. Colorado has nearly $9M in cap space this off-season, $16M if Landeskog is on LTIR. That's without any salary cap maneuvering (i.e. Colton, Manson, Wood). If the Avs head into next season with Coyle as the 2C, it'll be 2023 all over again. Which I don't believe will happen, CMac has made nearly 20 trades the last two years.

It's not plan A. It's just a guarantee.