Avs aquire Charlie Coyle + 2026 5th for Mittelstadt + Will Zellers + 2025 2nd

[a mangy Meowth]

You won't be if you do the math.

Indulge me if you would for a moment:

Could you, just as an example, please illustrate exactly how the Buffalo Sabres are "not even close" to as bad as we are at asset management? I'd really love to know the bizarro-world angle you're looking at this from.

 

[Balthazar]

Indulge me if you would for a moment:

Could you, just as an example, please illustrate exactly how the Buffalo Sabres are "not even close" to as bad as we are at asset management? I'd really love to know the bizarro-world angle you're looking at this from.

You understand that we're talking about the CMac era and not the whole Buffalo history right? What exactly has Buffalo done in the last 2-3 years that screams bad asset management? We're talking bad trades and gambling on the wrong horses.

Eichel wanted out, in case you'd bring up that one.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

I get where you’re coming from and I was a Byram backer from before his draft. But we were in desperate need of a 2C. I was ready to ride and die with Mitts but you and I both have to admit trading him was the right thing to do. As for the critics, I’d still rather keep CMac than not.

But thats's what I meant. He did the trade. It needed to be done. It was supposed to be a very good trade because we needed the 2C more. It didn't work but people then go back and say he screwed up. Hindsight is 20/20. No need to try to revisit the past. CMac still did the right thing at the time on that trade. Same thing on some other trades/signings.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

You understand that we're talking about the CMac era and not the whole Buffalo history right? What exactly has Buffalo done in the last 2-3 years that screams bad asset management? We're talking bad trades and gambling on the wrong horses.

No, no. I asked you first.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Eichel wanted out, in case you'd bring up that one.

If this is your only rebuttal you're in big trouble

 

[AllAboutAvs]

I'm glad that he's working hard to correct his mistakes and improve the team.

However, if you spend a significant amount of money on a bad car, resell it at a huge loss a week later, and then buy a good car, that doesn't mean you're good with money—it just shows you're not afraid to fix your mistakes. That's a good thing for a GM. Still, it was awful asset management in the first place.

But you said if we win the cup it's fine but if we don't we should revisit that. My point is why? You like what he did at the time or you don't. Winning the cup shouldn't matter. Why should not winning the cup change someone's mind on what he tried to do. He tried and people should still be happy that he did regardless of the result because at the time most people didn't know it was a bad car.

 

[Balthazar]

No, no. I asked you first.

We made a good trade for Newhook and then turned it into bad contract Colton because, well, turns out he can't play 3C.

The cost of 1.5 years of good ol' Charlie Coyle (who barely had any value with that contract) was Byram, a 2nd rd pick, and Zellers. How's that for asset management? We overpaid for a 34-year-old rental Brock Nelson, because we painted ourselves into a corner with Kadri + missed out on RyJo and Newhook. Can you top that? I'm all ears.

You make me bash CMac and I didn't want to do that.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

We made a good trade for Newhook and then turned it into bad contract Colton.

The cost of 1.5 years of good ol' Charlie Coyle (who barely had any value with that contract) was Byram, a 2nd rd pick, and Zellers. How's that for asset management? We overpaid for a 34-year-old rental Brock Nelson, because we painted ourselves into a corner with Kadri + missed out on RyJo and Newhook. Can you top that? I'm all ears.

You make me bash CMac and I didn't want to do that.

Oh come the hell on man I didn't make you say that he's worse than Kevyn Adams

 

[a mangy Meowth]

The cost of 1.5 years of good ol' Charlie Coyle (who barely had any value with that contract) was Byram, a 2nd rd pick, and Zellers. How's that for asset management? We overpaid for a 34-year-old rental Brock Nelson, because we painted ourselves into a corner with Kadri + missed out on RyJo and Newhook. Can you top that? I'm all ears.

Looking at the Sabres team makeup, all of the moves they've made have been completely baffling. Trading a center in Mittelstadt for a 3rd LHD confused everyone at the time of the trade. They now have an overabundance of LHD at the sake of their meager center depth, which they just depleted further by acquiring ever-injured Josh Norris. The Avs moves you mentioned? They all made sense at least.

Beyond just these quick examples, all you have to do is look at the results. I'd say their most major problem is simply their roster construction - which is the job of the GM. Are you suggesting that Adams isn't to blame for that? Who is to blame exactly if he isn't? Ask Sabres fans. They seem to despise the guy. Sitting on your hands and never doing much while your team completely fails every year and the fans wear bags on their heads to games and bring palm trees and shit? That's f***ing terrible asset management.

 

[Balthazar]

Oh come the hell on man I didn't make you say that he's worse than Kevyn Adams

Much worse than anything Kevyn Adams (or any other GM) has done with his assets in the last couple of years yes.

What example do you have in mind? Oilers not matching the Blues offer sheets is probably the closest thing but still not really that close.

 

[Balthazar]

Looking at the Sabres team makeup, all of the moves they've made have been completely baffling. Trading a center in Mittelstadt for a 3rd LHD confused everyone at the time of the trade. They now have an overabundance of LHD at the sake of their meager center depth, which they just depleted further by acquiring ever-injured Josh Norris. The Avs moves you mentioned? They all made sense at least.

Beyond just these quick examples, all you have to do is look at the results. I'd say their most major problem is simply their roster construction - which is the job of the GM. Are you suggesting that Adams isn't to blame for that? Who is to blame exactly if he isn't? Ask Sabres fans. They seem to despise the guy. Sitting on your hands and never doing much while your team completely fails every year and the fans wear bags on their heads to games and bring palm trees and shit? That's f***ing terrible asset management.

I get it now. You don't know what asset management is. It's ok, let's move on.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

I get it now. You don't know what asset management is. It's ok, let's move on.

Just curious - ever heard of the term "opportunity cost"?

 

[AvBuff]

Very easy to manage a hockey team in the cap era with the gift of hindsight.

 

[Hennessy]

We made a good trade for Newhook and then turned it into bad contract Colton because, well, turns out he can't play 3C.

The cost of 1.5 years of good ol' Charlie Coyle (who barely had any value with that contract) was Byram, a 2nd rd pick, and Zellers. How's that for asset management? We overpaid for a 34-year-old rental Brock Nelson, because we painted ourselves into a corner with Kadri + missed out on RyJo and Newhook. Can you top that? I'm all ears.

You make me bash CMac and I didn't want to do that.

We've all been drunk, man.
I'm drunk right now.
Take the L.

 

[niwotsblessing]

I'm glad that he's working hard to correct his mistakes and improve the team.

However, if you spend a significant amount of money on a bad car, resell it at a huge loss a week later, and then buy a good car, that doesn't mean you're good with money—it just shows you're not afraid to fix your mistakes. That's a good thing for a GM. Still, it was awful asset management in the first place.

Spending money on a bad car is what happens when you buy something from GM.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

We made a good trade for Newhook and then turned it into bad contract Colton because, well, turns out he can't play 3C.

The cost of 1.5 years of good ol' Charlie Coyle (who barely had any value with that contract) was Byram, a 2nd rd pick, and Zellers. How's that for asset management? We overpaid for a 34-year-old rental Brock Nelson, because we painted ourselves into a corner with Kadri + missed out on RyJo and Newhook. Can you top that? I'm all ears.

You make me bash CMac and I didn't want to do that.

Diagree with charlie coyle barely having any value but otherwise i share your criticism. Cmac has fixed his mistakes but at the cost of a ton of assets. Burning opportunity cost for extending this window. Now he does have things outside his control but unlike vegas who priortizes team first for the cup, he does not do that. Ryan Johansen didnt need to be traded away while burning a pick, forced LTIR was the way. EJ was buy out candidate. Girard should have been traded for nothing to give byram reigns as 3rd D.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Pleasse show me a GM that never makes bad trades/signings.

 

[NorthernAvsFan]

I think he’s been better than the points indicate. Coyle is a guy that can bring value when not producing, which is great to have in the bottom-6.

One miss here, was not getting retention on his contract. I don’t know if Boston has retention slots, but $5.25 is just too much for the level of offence he brings.

As an aside… McFarland makes mistakes, but I’ll give the guy a ton of credit for willing to admit them. The guy pivots quickly when things aren’t working.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I think he’s been better than the points indicate. Coyle is a guy that can bring value when not producing, which is great to have in the bottom-6.

One miss here, was not getting retention on his contract. I don’t know if Boston has retention slots, but $5.25 is just too much for the level of offence he brings.

As an aside… McFarland makes mistakes, but I’ll give the guy a ton of credit for willing to admit them. The guy pivots quickly when things aren’t working.

There’s definitely something to be said for CMac not getting trapped in the sunk cost fallacy. It may have cost a little bit more to get the roster we have now that we want, but it’s better than him sitting on his hands not wanting to admit he made mistakes hoping that Mitts would come good.

And no matter how bad we think CMac has done on some of his moves, he’s never had an offseason/group of moves as bad as the Oilers did this summer. They lost Foegle, Broberg, Holloway, and McLeod to get Arvidsson, Skinner, Savoie, a 2nd and a 3rd…

 

[lionsDen]

I get it now. You don't know what asset management is. It's ok, let's move on.

Scarcity drives the value of the market. We over paid for those guys yes. But the business is winning Stanley cups. I’d rather have the best chance to win now. The avs have made some really really good trades . As far as team fit structurally, personal wise.

Losing broberg, Holloway was absolutely worse in the now and future

 

[NorthernAvsFan]

There’s definitely something to be said for CMac not getting trapped in the sunk cost fallacy. It may have cost a little bit more to get the roster we have now that we want, but it’s better than him sitting on his hands not wanting to admit he made mistakes hoping that Mitts would come good.

And no matter how bad we think CMac has done on some of his moves, he’s never had an offseason/group of moves as bad as the Oilers did this summer. They lost Foegle, Broberg, Holloway, and McLeod to get Arvidsson, Skinner, Savoie, a 2nd and a 3rd…

The Oilers really sabotaged themselves. Losing young top-4D and a top-6 forward for basically nothing is so bad.

And honestly, that team would be a lot better if they’d managed their offseason properly.

 

[The Kingslayer]

I have no issues with this trade when it happened and less so today. I could give a shit if Coyle scores now I only care what he does in the playoffs. If hes winning draws, killing penalties, shutting down the other teams best player and never scores then fine. It be dissapointing if he doesnt score but the Avs have plenty of other guys who can do that but they dont have many guys who can do the things I mentioned above so f*** Mittlestadt, f*** Zellers and that 2nd round pick can lick my ass.

 

[Balthazar]

Scarcity drives the value of the market. We over paid for those guys yes. But the business is winning Stanley cups. I’d rather have the best chance to win now. The avs have made some really really good trades . As far as team fit structurally, personal wise.

Losing broberg, Holloway was absolutely worse in the now and future

How can I explain it at this point...let's try another analogy:

Asset management: "I'm broke, and I had to spend $30 on a sandwich because I made the poor decision of not bringing my own lunch."

Not asset management: "I'm no longer hungry"

Coyle is a good fit and I'm glad that CMac fixed his mistakes. That doesn't mean that it was smart asset management. It's two different things.

 

[The Kingslayer]

The Oilers really sabotaged themselves. Losing young top-4D and a top-6 forward for basically nothing is so bad.

And honestly, that team would be a lot better if they’d managed their offseason properly.

They really messed up with Broberg imo. This is where Hollands play them when they are over ripe philosophy backfires. This isnt 2002 anymore. Most guys are primed and ready to go a few years out of there draft yr even dman. Was Broberg ready for 20 minutes a night? No, but he certainly could have played 12-15 minutes quite easily and thrived.

 

[dahrougem2]

Asset management is literally quantity of assets in vs out.

Any GM who sends out more than he gets obviously will be viewed as bad at asset management.