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Avs acquire C Brock Nelson (50% retained) + F William Dufour for F Cal Ritchie + D Oliver Kylington + 2026 1st + Cond. 2028 3rd

Ararana said:
That's Valeri Nichushkin. The dude is a puck hound and a monster on the forecheck.

Nelson has played six games in Colorado. People need to chill, if 2Cs produced all the time they'd be 1Cs.
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The 2C doesn’t have to produce all the time, but he needs to provide some offense at least every 2 or 3 games. You can’t go 5 games without getting at least a point
 
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Richard88 said:
No. The Avs don't sign UFA's on July 1st other than their own. The last one they did was Donskoi $3.9m x 4.

If Nelson walks it'll most likely be Coyle at 2C next season, and the money Nelson would have gotten will get spent on Lindgren/Drouin/Kiviranta/Malinski.
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I would also like to pretend Miles Wood does not exist, if I'm being totally honest.
 
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Nelson and Bennett are the only two upcoming UFA centers that can play 2C.

Nelson will be old AF and we don't know yet if it's going to work here (so far it doesn't look good) and Bennett is a prime candidate for an awful contract. If he makes it to the market (doubtful) GM's will line up to offer him too much money over 7 years.
 
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Foppberg said:
Lol he'll be fine once he settles in.
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I'm inclined to agree, but the problem is they only have 13 more regular season games, and however many playoff games for him to settle in. Time is running out.

They could lose in the first round, and he could not settle in by then, or only settle in for the last couple games, but by then it's too late.

Then he may walk as a UFA, which would be more likely, if he didn't have a good run here.
 
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Foppa2118 said:
I'm inclined to agree, but the problem is they only have 13 more regular season games, and however many playoff games for him to settle in. Time is running out.

They could lose in the first round, and he could not settle in by then, or only settle in for the last couple games, but by then it's too late.

Then he may walk as a UFA, which would be more likely, if he didn't have a good run here.
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Yup, not enough games left, Bednar is in panic mode with Nelson. Trying everything to see if he can produce. Tried PP 1, tried 1st line with Nate. There is just not enough time. Just 13 games left in regular season, and if we go into 1st round match up vs Dallas with struggling Nelson, we probably not winning that round, unless maybe Coyle can move up to 2nd line and do a good job there
 
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Richard88 said:
Imagine trading Byram, Rantanen, Ritchie, and two 1st's, still having a hole at 2C. Not great.
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And and in the top 4D with Manson so injury prone, and only one year left, with almost no good assets left, and a bad UFA class. :eek2:

They really went all in this year.
 
Richard88 said:
Imagine trading Byram, Rantanen, Ritchie, and two 1st's, still having a hole at 2C. Not great.
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CMac is probably seeing Kadri in his dreams, then wakes up…
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Foppa2118 said:
And and in the top 4D with Manson so injury prone, and only one year left, with almost no good assets left, and a bad UFA class. :eek2:

They really went all in this year.
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Yeah they're definitely all-in. But IF they can re-sign Nelson and find a trade for a RHD using a forward (eg. Lehkonen/Colton) they'll be in a good position again.
 
Richard88 said:
Yeah they're definitely all-in. But IF they can re-sign Nelson and find a trade for a RHD using a forward (eg. Lehkonen/Colton) they'll be in a good position again.
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Yeah that's the problem though. Lehky would suck to lose and I'm not sure what kind of D man Colton can bring in. Maybe he ups his value with a good playoff run though.

Maybe Colton and Malinski both play well and they can package them, perhaps with another asset, for a better 3/4 RD. That would be nice.
 
the_fan said:
Ok, I’m sorry but I’m gonna have to block you for suggesting we trade Lehky
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I don't suggest that lightly. You may recall that I was the most avid promoter of Lehkonen and his analytics on this board in the year or two prior to the trade. But this team is going to have a huge hole at 2 RHD a year from now and have nothing in the way of picks or prospects to fill that hole. What they do have however is an abundance of top 6 forwards, so the obvious move is to trade a forward for a RHD if there's a trade to be made.

They obviously aren't moving Landeskog, Necas, or Drouin (who they still need to sign), which leaves Nichushkin or Lehkonen. As good as Lehkonen is he's not as good as Nichushkin (when available), so he's clearly the guy to go if we need to trade for a *good* RHD.
 
Foppa2118 said:
Yeah that's the problem though. Lehky would suck to lose and I'm not sure what kind of D man Colton can bring in. Maybe he ups his value with a good playoff run though.

Maybe Colton and Malinski both play well and they can package them, perhaps with another asset, for a better 3/4 RD. That would be nice.
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RHD's who can skate and play physical are in high demand, so I doubt we'd be able to win a bidding war for a good RHD using Colton as the main piece. It would be nice if that works though of course.
 
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Richard88 said:
I don't suggest that lightly. You may recall that I was the most avid promoter of Lehkonen and his analytics on this board in the year or two prior to the trade. But this team is going to have a huge hole at 2 RHD a year from now and have nothing in the way of picks or prospects to fill that hole. What they do have however is an abundance of top 6 forwards, so the obvious move is to trade a forward for a RHD if there's a trade to be made.

They obviously aren't moving Landeskog, Necas, or Drouin (who they still need to sign), which leaves Nichushkin or Lehkonen. As good as Lehkonen is he's not as good as Nichushkin (when available), so he's clearly the guy to go if we need to trade for a RHD.
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Dude just no. You win with players like Lehky and Val(sober Val).

Lehky and Val are more valuable than any 2 RHD
 
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Richard88 said:
Having a good 2 RHD is way more impactful than having one of Necas/Landeskog/Drouin/Nichushkin/Lehkonen on the 3rd line.
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If Landy is playing to a second line level, you drop Drouin... plain and simple. You do not drop Lehky (the greatest clutch scorer the Avs have had) or Nuke (with whom the Avs actually struggle to lose games when he's in).

Next up on the 2C carousel, Sidney Crosby (ask again)... and then honestly, I'd reach out to Columbus and see if Sean Monahan would like out. He signed with Columbus to play with Johnny Gaudreau. Before getting injured Monahan was a point a game (41 points in 41 games and was +17). He's 30 but is signed for four more seasons at 5.5M.
 
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expatriatedtexan said:
If Landy is playing to a second line level, you drop Drouin... plain and simple. You do not drop Lehky (the greatest clutch scorer the Avs have had) or Nuke (with whom the Avs actually struggle to lose games when he's in).

Next up on the 2C carousel, Sidney Crosby (ask again)... and then honestly, I'd reach out to Columbus and see if Sean Monahan would like out. He signed with Columbus to play with Johnny Gaudreau. Before getting injured Monahan was a point a game (41 points in 41 games and was +17). He's 30 but is signed for four more seasons at 5.5M.
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That's a very manageable contract. Can he play hockey?
 
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the_fan said:
I’d trade Drouin if it came down to it, and if that’s what it would take to get a 2 RD, but not the others. I usually agree with pretty much everything you say, but not this time. Sorry bud…
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Sure, in a vacuum I'd trade Drouin well before Lehkonen too. I completely agree with you on that. But that's just not realistic is it? Drouin will have just signed a long-term deal here, probably at a decent discount, so that he can continue to play with Mackinnon. With a discount he'll probably get some sort of trade protection too. That being the case it seems unlikely that he'd be the one shipped out for a RHD.

Lehkonen is also going to be an UFA in 2 years time and likely going to be getting a nice raise (at the same time that the Avs will need a bunch of capspace to pay Makar) so from an asset management perspective it might make some sense to move him too.
 
Richard88 said:
Sure, in a vacuum I'd trade Drouin well before Lehkonen too. I completely agree with you on that. But that's just not realistic is it? Drouin will have just signed a long-term deal here, probably at a decent discount, so that he can continue to play with Mackinnon. With a discount he'll probably get some sort of trade protection too. That being the case it seems unlikely that he'd be the one shipped out for a RHD.

Lehkonen is also going to be an UFA in 2 years time and likely going to be getting a nice raise (at the same time that the Avs will need a bunch of capspace to pay Makar) so from an asset management perspective it might make some sense to move him too.
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With the cap going up even more when Lehky is up for a new contract, maybe we can get a 2 RHD by giving up picks or prospects like we did with Manson
 
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