Value of: Available Sharks Wingers

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

That extra 2 mil in cap space from trading him could be the difference in landing Tavares though.

That’s probably not going to be the case, and if it is, I would much rather move Justin Braun or Brenden Dillon.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

That’s probably not going to be the case, and if it is, I would much rather move Justin Braun or Brenden Dillon.

And fill the gap how?

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

And fill the gap how?

Internally or through trade. Both offer a far better solution than losing LaBanc or Meier for terrible value. Chicago made a terrible decision with Bickell and Teravainen and we would be stupid to follow in their footsteps.

 

[Groo]

So with the impending re-signing of Evander Kane, the Sharks for all intents and purposes have seven top-9 caliber wingers and will need to move one. It is unlikely that they move Joe Pavelski and Tomas Hertl along with the soon-to-be signed Kane. So that leaves the following wingers and I'd like to see what people would be willing to move...

Mikkel Boedker - 4 mil for two more seasons 28 years old 0.5 ppg last season
Joonas Donskoi - 1.9 mil for next season 26 years old 0.48 ppg last season
Timo Meier - last year of ELC 21 years old 0.44 ppg last season (21 goals) 2nd year
Kevin Labanc - last year of ELC 22 years old 0.52 ppg last season 2nd year

And also because they probably need to move him anyway...

Melker Karlsson - 2 mil for two more seasons 27 years old 0.27 ppg last season 4th liner that steps into the top nine decently when limited

My expectations for someone like Boedker and Karlsson are simply draft picks. The other guys would be harder to take but I can see the team maybe attaching someone to see if a team will take on Paul Martin's last year with a 4.85 mil cap hit instead of buying him out. That's probably the only way I could see them even entertaining moving someone like Donskoi or Meier or Labanc.

Ug!
One of these is not like the other.
Meier is going nowhere

 

[AZviaNJ]

Coyotes 2018 3rd + Kyle Wood (prospect) for Donskoi and Martin (25% retention)

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Internally or through trade. Both offer a far better solution than losing LaBanc or Meier for terrible value. Chicago made a terrible decision with Bickell and Teravainen and we would be stupid to follow in their footsteps.

The Sharks have no internal options for replacing Braun or Dillon. Labanc is not like Teravainen in this context. He is much worse. Meier I would agree with but I simply put his name there because those are the wingers that don't have movement clauses to deal with. I'd move Meier for the right deal but that's going to be a big time acquisition that I don't expect to happen.

Ug!
One of these is not like the other.
Meier is going nowhere

Meier probably isn't going anywhere but all those names are top nine wingers on our team without movement clauses. That's why they're there.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Coyotes 2018 3rd + Kyle Wood (prospect) for Donskoi and Martin (25% retention)

Wood and a 3rd isn't good enough to justify having the Sharks retain 1.2 mil on Martin, imo.

 

[kylbaz]

You forgot to add Kane midseason as well.

 

[Viqsi]

Internally or through trade. Both offer a far better solution than losing LaBanc or Meier for terrible value. Chicago made a terrible decision with Bickell and Teravainen and we would be stupid to follow in their footsteps.

This is a rational position to take. But if ever management opts to do otherwise, they know Kekalainen's phone number.

 

[Viqsi]

The Sharks have no internal options for replacing Braun or Dillon. Labanc is not like Teravainen in this context. He is much worse. Meier I would agree with but I simply put his name there because those are the wingers that don't have movement clauses to deal with. I'd move Meier for the right deal but that's going to be a big time acquisition that I don't expect to happen.

That's the case now, but part of why I'd happily go for that offer you mentioned earlier is that there's a chance he could do even better. And even if he doesn't, what he has shown is quite nice.

 

[ThorNton Apologist]

Love Meier’s game, have since his draft year. You shouldn’t be moving him at all.

This Sharks fan heavily agrees. If there is a winger to be moved based on value around the league it’s Labanc. Scoring .5 ppl as a sophomore, he should net a decent return

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

The Sharks have no internal options for replacing Braun or Dillon. Labanc is not like Teravainen in this context. He is much worse. Meier I would agree with but I simply put his name there because those are the wingers that don't have movement clauses to deal with. I'd move Meier for the right deal but that's going to be a big time acquisition that I don't expect to happen.



Meier probably isn't going anywhere but all those names are top nine wingers on our team without movement clauses. That's why they're there.

LaBanc just scored 40 points in his D+4 age 21/22 season. Teravainen had just scored 35 points in his D+4 age 21 season when he was traded. How is he not like Teravainen in this context? You’re suggesting we package a talented young player with high potential in order to ditch a bad contract for one season. That’s exactly what Chicago did with Bickell and Teravainen.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Get our of here with this “we’ll take your young top-6 winger and Paul Martin for some crap”. Martin has one (one!) year on his deal.

Donskoi cannot be bad for cheap. Meier is practically untouchable. Not a single good offer in this thread.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

Get our of here with this “we’ll take your young top-6 winger and Paul Martin for some crap”. Martin has one (one!) year on his deal.

Donskoi cannot be bad for cheap. Meier is practically untouchable. Not a single good offer in this thread.

Can you blame them? Look at who started the thread.

 

[Chainshot]

I don't see a team eating that cap hit even for just one year for just a 2nd round pick going their way. Every time someone has made a deal like this either a young player was involved or a 1st round pick was involved. It cost the Islanders a 1st, a 2nd, and a meh prospect to have Vegas eat the one year left on Mikhail Grabovski's contract at 5 mil. I don't think the 150k difference between his and Paul Martin's cap hit will cost a 1st round pick less than that.



I could see them doing that if they really feel like they have a shot at Tavares. If they don't then they probably just buy out Martin.

Fair enough. Going right to the buyout seems like the most straight-forward way.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

That's the case now, but part of why I'd happily go for that offer you mentioned earlier is that there's a chance he could do even better. And even if he doesn't, what he has shown is quite nice.

He could but those odds aren't great. He is quite nice with what he is and he will get better but I don't think he has the talents that Teravainen has.

LaBanc just scored 40 points in his D+4 age 21/22 season. Teravainen had just scored 35 points in his D+4 age 21 season when he was traded. How is he not like Teravainen in this context? You’re suggesting we package a talented young player with high potential in order to ditch a bad contract for one season. That’s exactly what Chicago did with Bickell and Teravainen.

Because Teravainen is a better all-around player and the Sharks have the depth at wing to make such a move and it wouldn't hurt them. The difference with the whole Chicago bit is that they had to do that just to get under the cap with what they had. This is under the scenario that prior to July 1, DW knows that he can go out and get Tavares. In that scenario, I'm gladly making that move to help facilitate the signing of Tavares without hesitation and Labanc would be a meaningless price to pay to that end.

 

[Gilligans Island]

That extra 2 mil in cap space from trading him could be the difference in landing Tavares though.

Assuming the cap goes to $80M and we sign Tavares at $11M, I don't think we'd need to trade Martin + a young player like Labanc. We can buyout Martin, trade Boedker and be fine. Agree on trading Karlsson and save about $1M w/ a younger 4th liner @ $1M AAV.

I have Hertl at $4.75M and Tierney at $2.5M for their re-signings. That might be the difference between my calcs and yours. In mine, that still leaves ~$1.25M in cap space so theirs room to go higher on their deals.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Assuming the cap goes to $80M and we sign Tavares at $11M, I don't think we'd need to trade Martin + a young player like Labanc. We can buyout Martin, trade Boedker and be fine. Agree on trading Karlsson and save about $1M w/ a younger 4th liner @ $1M AAV.

True but that's why I said it could. There are scenarios like a 78 mil cap as has been the low end of the cap range in reports before where that extra two mil could be necessary. I will grant you that it's not likely but I'm merely putting it out there that this kind of a deal could be looked at due to that and a need to clear out a winger. Hell, we may need to clear out two wingers depending on how they feel about someone like Balcers.