Value of: Auston Matthews

[57special]

Pick anything you want sans Mackinnon, Landy, Makar, Toews.

Necas, Lehkonen, Colton, rights to Drouin and Nelson.

If you aren't prepared to put Landescog and Toews at the table, then you're not serious - not that the Leafs would be interested in the former. Rights to Nelson and Drouin? Colton?

 

[JTBT1227]

Particularly the market that they play in. The pressure in Trona in hockey is like no other market.

Agreed…I’m not saying it’s easy being 34, but certain players have that “it” factor if you wanna use that terminology. To me he just doesn’t show enough passion, energy, drive to be great…to do whatever to win the cup. Obviously I only see very little, but just my opinion

 

[Dead Coyote]

At least half the league would be interested in Matthews even if he hasn't turned up in playoffs. So many GMs think they can be the genius to get the best out of players who underperformed elsewhere.

Teams that need a 1C desperately:
Utah, Seattle, Boston, Anaheim, Calgary, Philadelphia, Nashville.

Teams that could do with a 1C upgrade:
Washington, Buffalo, Rangers, Columbus, Chicago, Vancouver, Minnesota.

And then there is a list of teams who need some more firepower to take them to the next stage (LA, St Louis, Detroit, Islanders).

The market would be there if he's willing to move to one of several teams.

Seattle probably can't afford Matthews, would be pretty upset if we mortgaged our farm for him. His salary and contract aren't great and there's no way he re-signs. We aren't close to a Matthews away from being cup contenders.

We don't even have interest in Marner a ton who we can get for free.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I haven't read through all six pages here so don't know if this parallel has been made yet, but Matthews is at just about the same point in his career that Joe Thornton was when he got traded, and while they're much different in playing style, there are a lot of similarities - great regular seasons, underwhelming playoff performances, captain of a disappointing team, wearing most of the blame from the fanbase.

Toronto likely also wouldn't get a fair return for him, like the Bruins with Thornton. But that trade cleared a path for Boston to gain success by bringing in winning players so in a sense it was worth it.

Boston got a little lucky

Thomas came out of nowhere

Chara, a Norris defenseman signed there

Leafs gave them Seguin for Kessel....Seguin scored some big goals..

 

[McGarnagle]

Boston got a little lucky

Thomas came out of nowhere

Chara, a Norris defenseman signed there

Leafs gave them Seguin for Kessel....Seguin scored some big goals..

Every team needs a little luck when they're making the leap

Chara chose Boston over LA in free agency because the captaincy was available. Without the Thornton trade he probably doesn't go there, nor do they have the space to bring in Savard.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Every team needs a little luck when they're making the leap

Chara chose Boston over LA in free agency because the captaincy was available. Without the Thornton trade he probably doesn't go there, nor do they have the space to bring in Savard.

That Marc Savard injury is still heart breaking.

I thought Chara chose Boston because he knew the AGM from the Ottawa days?

 

[RedHawkDown]

Don't get it twisted Byfield and Kempe are Grade A losers too. The kings arent a winning team any more than the Leafs

The Kings losers just arent as paid as much as Matthews and are worse regular season players

Yeah that’s a very weird argument considering the Kings have been wrecked by the same team four years in a row in the first round. I’m no Matthews fan but the Kings choke even harder than toronto in recent years

 

[Frank Drebin]

Matthews has a full NMC. If he agreed to a trade it would cost a lot for that one club. Likely the equivalent of four firsts.

Who has more value auston matthews or mason mctavish

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Do you think the Leafs can win with Matthews as their highest paid/best player?

The proof says otherwise.

If they want to keep just making the post season, sure keep him

People said the same about Ovi though, part of me hopes Matthews never reaches that but I know better. I do wonder if Matthews would be better served in a market that isn't as intense.

 

[KeeferH]

Package involving Petey + for Matthews.

Based on the assumption that Nylander is essentially the Best winger for Petey in the league.
Using the Eichel Trade as a base with the addition of Boesers Rights

Petey
Tom Willander
Rights To Boeser
1st 2025

-
Matthews

 

[RedHawkDown]

Package involving Petey + for Matthews.

Based on the assumption that Nylander is essentially the Best winger for Petey in the league.
Using the Eichel Trade as a base with the addition of Boesers Rights

Petey
Tom Willander
Rights To Boeser
1st 2025

-
Matthews

Toronto would be insane to refuse this IMO. Fantastic offer and if Pettersson recovers form at all it’s robbery

 

[sansabri]

Package involving Petey + for Matthews.

Based on the assumption that Nylander is essentially the Best winger for Petey in the league.
Using the Eichel Trade as a base with the addition of Boesers Rights

Petey
Tom Willander
Rights To Boeser
1st 2025

-
Matthews

(unless you're looking to pay a whole lot to dump EP) you're doing all this for 3 years of Matthews

 

[KeeferH]

(unless you're looking to pay a whole lot to dump EP) you're doing all this for 3 years of Matthews

Boeser is leaving regardless, willander was already on the table for a trade. Matthews also hopefully a signal for Quinn to stay.

 

[nbwingsfan]

People said the same about Ovi though, part of me hopes Matthews never reaches that but I know better. I do wonder if Matthews would be better served in a market that isn't as intense.

Difference was Ovi had multiple series where he dominated, but the team let him down.

Matthews has never had even one “amazing” series in his entire career.

 

[JTBT1227]

Don’t be blinded by the skill. 34 isn’t the player you build a team around. You’re not raising the cup w him on your team. Absolutely no question he’s one of the most talented players in the NHL. Will go down as an all-time great goal scorer. But the difference between him and say Ovi is what’s inside. That compete level. That “do whatever it takes” mindset. Being a leader, a true leader on and off the ice. This isn’t about him as a hockey player, this is about him having the ability to be a champion. It’s damn hard to win that cup, but it’s almost impossible if you don’t have “it”. If I have to explain what “it” is, then you’ll never understand.

 

[MNRube]

Don’t be blinded by the skill. 34 isn’t the player you build a team around. You’re not raising the cup w him on your team. Absolutely no question he’s one of the most talented players in the NHL. Will go down as an all-time great goal scorer. But the difference between him and say Ovi is what’s inside. That compete level. That “do whatever it takes” mindset. Being a leader, a true leader on and off the ice. This isn’t about him as a hockey player, this is about him having the ability to be a champion. It’s damn hard to win that cup, but it’s almost impossible if you don’t have “it”. If I have to explain what “it” is, then you’ll never understand.

They said the same thing about Ovechkin for years. Matthews can absolutely be the best player on a Cup winner

 

[JTBT1227]

They said the same thing about Ovechkin for years. Matthews can absolutely be the best player on a Cup winner

Absolutely not…two different players. One who will do whatever it takes to win and one who won’t. You’re obviously a fan of 34, I get it, kid is crazy talented, but he doesn’t have what it takes to be a leader of a cup winning team. That’s jmo, you have yours as well. No need to argue about it. Only time will tell.

 

[MNRube]

Absolutely not…two different players. One who will do whatever it takes to win and one who won’t. You’re obviously a fan of 34, I get it, kid is crazy talented, but he doesn’t have what it takes to be a leader of a cup winning team. That’s jmo, you have yours as well. No need to argue about it. Only time will tell.

Have you ever watched Ovechkin?! Matthews is on another planet defensively. This is just nonsensical

 

[JTBT1227]

Have you ever watched Ovechkin?! Matthews is on another planet defensively. This is just nonsensical

Smh…ok…you obviously sleep w a Matthews jersey on.

 

[JTBT1227]

Regarding Matthews, I don’t see him being dealt seriously by the Leafs, especially if they let Marner walk. He’s to good. But, his price tag in trade and his salary would make it a tough sell for most teams to fulfill. And he’s too good to trade.

As a Kings fan, if Marner actually does hit the market (I’m not sold he will) the interest will drive up his market price price beyond what the Kings would most likely be willing to spend. The team is very interested in re-signing Gavrikov, Jeanot and Kuzmenko. Not to mention Kempe’s next contract.

They don’t need Marner. He’s not the type of player they need to take them to the next level. Just my opinion. Nothing against Marner, just don’t see him as being that piece needed to take Kings over that 1st round exit

 

[Paddys Pub]

To Van
Matthews +

To Toronto
Q Hughes

 

[Mr Nogatco]

Jack Eichel without a broken neck returns far more than what he ultimately did. As would Matthews if Toronto were to trade him. They'd be stupid to though before they see what they can do without Marner. 60 goal scorers do not grow on trees.

IMO Auston’s injury history is more of a concern than Eichel’s was.

 

[General Fanager]

Who has more value auston matthews or mason mctavish

Depends on what Matthews injury is.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Package involving Petey + for Matthews.

Based on the assumption that Nylander is essentially the Best winger for Petey in the league.
Using the Eichel Trade as a base with the addition of Boesers Rights

Petey
Tom Willander
Rights To Boeser
1st 2025

-
Matthews

If Toronto thinks Matthews doesn't have what it takes to be a winner under pressure psychologically, and their pro scouts and research indicates that Pettersson does have what it takes psychologically, then yeah, the Leafs should take this offer, I think. Matthews is the better player obviously, but if your data and research tells you Pettersson is better when it actually matters, pull the trigger here.

EDIT - Also research and look at injury history closely for both players before making a final decision.

 

[Devonator]

I am going to repeat what I saw one Leaf fan suggested.....Flyers trade Michkov, 6 Overall this year plus another First from next years draft unprotected....Good Lord...I would not trade Michkov straight up for Matthews let alone adding all those other goodies......