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Michoulicious

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Guy is still pretty young and a star center in this league.

Toronto isn't working out and the capitaincy looks to have taken a toll on him.

He looks deflated out there, could certainly welcome a move under the circumstances... A new start somewhere else could re-ignite him for the 2nd part of his career.

The return could certainly spark a mega retool and allow Toronto to keep/re-sign all of the free agents (Marner, Tavares, Knies, etc) and add other pieces.

I could see most NHL teams being interested, with top prospects/top picks included.

What kind of an offer could work?
 
Why trade AM and why keep Marner? Makes zero sense. If you're trading AM you're moving on from everyone and starting a rebuild and as a Leafs fan I'd love it if they did that ( if this series ends the way its looking like it will )

AMs inconsistency, mediocre playoff performances and concerns of chronic lingering hand, wrist issues that may never go away might prevent any team giving the Leafs the kind of huge return you'd normally expect for a two time 60 goal center and MVP winner.

If Anaheim was desperate to get a lot better right away and AM was willing to waive to go there I'd settle for Gauthier, Mintyukov and a 1st.
 
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Michoulicious said:
Guy is still pretty young and a star center in this league.

Toronto isn't working out and the capitaincy looks to have taken a toll on him.

He looks deflated out there, could certainly welcome a move under the circumstances... A new start somewhere else could re-ignite him for the 2nd part of his career.

The return could certainly spark a mega retool and allow Toronto to keep/re-sign all of the free agents (Marner, Tavares, Knies, etc) and add other pieces.

I could see most NHL teams being interested, with top prospects/top picks included.

What kind of an offer could work?
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I could see only a few NHL teams could be interested in Matthews.

The main goal of contending team to win NHL title, but Mathews proved once again that he is not a good playoff performer/winner.

I understand that Leafs fans do not like what they see in Matthews anymore, but fans of other teams are not blind either.

I do not think that Toronto can expect to receive best top prospects for him.

P.S. His contract does not help his value either.
 
rielledup said:
Why trade AM and why keep Marner? Makes zero sense. If you're trading AM you're moving on from everyone and starting a rebuild and as a Leafs fan I'd love it if they did that ( if this series ends the way its looking like it will )

AMs inconsistency, mediocre playoff performances and concerns of chronic lingering hand, wrist issues that may never go away might prevent any team giving the Leafs the kind of huge return you'd normally expect for a two time 60 goal center and MVP winner.

If Anaheim was desperate to get a lot better right away and AM was willing to waive to go there I'd settle for Gauthier, Mintyukov and a 1st.
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I think that Gauthier, Mintyukov and a 1st is too much for Matthews.
 
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kinghock said:
I think that Gauthier, Mintyukov and a 1st is too much for Matthews.
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That's crazy. Neither LW Gauthier nor LHD Mintyukov project as elite/core players. Matthews (for all his postseason trouble scoring goals) is still a franchise 1C, the best goal scorer in the league, and well-rounded enough to be a Selke and Byng finalist.
 
kerrabria said:
That's crazy. Neither LW Gauthier nor LHD Mintyukov project as elite/core players. Matthews (for all his postseason trouble scoring goals) is still a franchise 1C, the best goal scorer in the league, and well-rounded enough to be a Selke and Byng finalist.
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I agree with your explanation why Toronto should keep him.
 
kerrabria said:
That's crazy. Neither LW Gauthier nor LHD Mintyukov project as elite/core players. Matthews (for all his postseason trouble scoring goals) is still a franchise 1C, the best goal scorer in the league, and well-rounded enough to be a Selke and Byng finalist.
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I think you deliberately missed this part: The main goal of contending team to win NHL title, but Mathews proved once again that he is not a good playoff performer/winner.
 
rielledup said:
Why trade AM and why keep Marner? Makes zero sense. If you're trading AM you're moving on from everyone and starting a rebuild and as a Leafs fan I'd love it if they did that ( if this series ends the way its looking like it will )

AMs inconsistency, mediocre playoff performances and concerns of chronic lingering hand, wrist issues that may never go away might prevent any team giving the Leafs the kind of huge return you'd normally expect for a two time 60 goal center and MVP winner.

If Anaheim was desperate to get a lot better right away and AM was willing to waive to go there I'd settle for Gauthier, Mintyukov and a 1st.
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You get a hefty return if you trade Matthews.

You get nothing but cap space if you let Marner walk.
 
Montreal gets: Matthews (13.25)

Toronto gets: Slafkovsky (7.6), #16 OA, #17 OA, Hage

*rumor has it Toronto wanted Hage bad at the 2024 draft.

Fair?
 
hamzarocks said:
Don't get it twisted Byfield and Kempe are Grade A losers too. The kings arent a winning team any more than the Leafs

The Kings losers just arent as paid as much as Matthews and are worse regular season players
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OK, Toronto keeps their losers and LA will keep theirs. It is just somehow Kings fans like their looser and Toronto do not like their losers.
 
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Kings will not trade Byfield and Kempe for your losers.
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I mean TOR has been reaching round 2 more often than LAK lately, so not sure this is warranted.
I think TOR would not do that Deal : Byfield has not proven he is a 1C yet and Kempe is only signed for one year. I think a few additional assets (e.g. 1st + prospect) would have to be added. As much as people criticize him, Matthews has 3 years left after this one and is one of the best goal scorers in the league while playing center.
 
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RationalExpectations said:
I mean TOR has been reaching round 2 more often than LAK lately, so not sure this is warranted.
I think TOR would not do that Deal : Byfield has not proven he is a 1C yet and Kempe is only signed for one year. I think a few additional assets (e.g. 1st + prospect) would have to be added. As much as people criticize him, Matthews has 3 years left after this one and is one of the best goal scorers in the league while playing center.
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What part of LA do not want/need Matthews you do not understand?

It does not make sense to discuss trade value for something not wanted.
 
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kinghock said:
Kings will not trade Byfield and Kempe for your losers.
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I am a kitties fan (meow).
kinghock said:
I think you deliberately missed this part: The main goal of contending team to win NHL title, but Mathews proved once again that he is not a good playoff performer/winner.
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If you dig into the stats, you'll see the only area where Matthews' game deteriorates is finishing. I.e., he doesn't score goals, but he still gets shots on net, excels at the little things, etc.

I see Marner as useless because he plays an incredibly replaceable game (~25 goal scorer, perimeter playmaker), but Matthews is a unicorn. And like it or not, Matthews does have valid excuses for an underwhelming past two playoffs (years-long injury in 2025, visible illness in 2024).

In terms of trade value, I think it's fair.
Kempe is an expiring contract.
279 games into his career, Byfield is a 2C and is increasingly unlikely to grow into a true 1C.
Matthews only has a few years left on his contract, but a) LA is trying to win a cup within the next two years, b) if there's anywhere he's likely to re-sign, it's LA, and c) if there's any team that will go out of the way to acquire him, it's LA.

^just my take as a neutral party. feel free to disagree.
 
kerrabria said:
I am a kitties fan (meow).

If you dig into the stats, you'll see the only area where Matthews' game deteriorates is finishing. I.e., he doesn't score goals, but he still gets shots on net, excels at the little things, etc.

I see Marner as useless because he plays an incredibly replaceable game (~25 goal scorer, perimeter playmaker), but Matthews is a unicorn. And like it or not, Matthews does have valid excuses for an underwhelming past two playoffs (years-long injury in 2025, visible illness in 2024).

In terms of trade value, I think it's fair.
Kempe is an expiring contract.
279 games into his career, Byfield is a 2C and is increasingly unlikely to grow into a true 1C.
Matthews only has a few years left on his contract, but a) LA is trying to win a cup within the next two years, b) if there's anywhere he's likely to re-sign, it's LA, and c) if there's any team that will go out of the way to acquire him, it's LA.

^just my take as a neutral party. feel free to disagree.
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In terms of trade value:

It does not make sense to discuss trade value for something not wanted.
 
kinghock said:
I think you deliberately missed this part: The main goal of contending team to win NHL title, but Mathews proved once again that he is not a good playoff performer/winner.
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I like how you responded to the same post twice.

I'm not a Leafs fans but I will say, Ovechkin did have some postseason stinkers before his Cup run. Didn't win one until he was 32. Matthews is still only 27 years old. He's got a lot of time left to win one.
 
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kinghock said:
I think you deliberately missed this part: The main goal of contending team to win NHL title, but Mathews proved once again that he is not a good playoff performer/winner.
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Trade doesn't make sense, but the other 2 proved they can't be reliable on the ice when it comes to the puck not being put in their net.
 
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