Auston Matthews is now 0-7 in winner take all games in his career

[HockeyVirus]

Gotta love how blatant the agenda is on here sometimes. Never steps up in big games despite being the best forward on USA last night and all that stuff. It was exhausting 2 years ago, now just IDK what the word is. Sad maybe, for the people obsessed and not objective enough to appreciate the talent he is.

Check my tagline.. no problem calling him a loser. Last night I didn't see a loser, I saw a guy playing his heart out that lost. Big difference.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

No one posting on here will ever be a GM of any team. For the most part you are right in that personal feelings shouldn't factor in so much, but certain players for certain guys are just no go's and AM34 is that for me. Adam Fox too for me and I imagine all Flames and Canes fan feel the same, but that's based on the way he forced his way to NY. You can add McGroarty and Cutter Gauthier to my no no list too, culture matters and guys who give any indication that they play for the name on the back and not the logo on the front I wouldn't touch. There's more to players than just their ppg and point totals

Id take any player that would make my team better in a hypothetical argument I dont care how much I hate the player or team that player plays for,

there's nothing to have personal feelings about. if Matthews was available to sign I would sign him. 100%.

True #1 C like him dont just grow on trees. some franchises never see a C like him and spend decades trying to acquire one.

 

[Jozay]

He’s awful in elimination games. Last night might be the best he’s played in one lol

 

[Arthur Morgan]

He’s awful in elimination games. Last night might be the best he’s played in one lol

Im not 100% sure that's a Matthews thing, this is a Leafs thing. they just find ways to lose, look at the 2013 team, no matter who u put on this roster the results are the same. I bet him and Marner would have had more series wins than they do now if they were on another team.

 

[Barsky]

Id take any player that would make my team better in a hypothetical argument I dont care how much I hate the player or team that player plays for,

there's nothing to have personal feelings about. if Matthews was available to sign I would sign him. 100%.

True #1 C like him dont just grow on trees. some franchises never see a C like him and spend decades trying to acquire one.

Based on all you've said you would prefer Steve Yzerman in his 20's over Yzerman in his 30's. Never broke 100 points in his 30's but won 3 cups vs being an annual 100 point guy. A guy like Barkov makes the little defensive sacrifices that make the difference in the end between winning and losing and they are considered sacrifices cause they lower hi point totals. AM34 could just be the new Stevie Y, so maybe once he matures he will start winning, but he hasn't yet, we all see that

 

[AvroArrow]

Eichel and Barkov lead their teams to cups as 1st line centres (as did MacKinnon) and Matthews can't even get out of the 2nd round, this shouldn't be a mystery. You seem to literally only care about ppg

Eichel didn't lead his team. He joined a Vegas team that already made the cup final and were just a legitimate 1C away from winning it all. He was the piece that put them over the top. This is like saying Phil Kessel led the Penguins to back to back cups.

Mackinnon was great, but Colorado was insanely stacked. Kadri was instrumental in their cup run and Makar had a generational run in the playoffs.

 

[Fatass]

Matthews already has more points than Eichel as well 158 more goals, only 69 points behind Barkov with 182 less games played but he also has 108 more goals. and more awards than both of them combined

so is that all they got? leading their teams to cups as 1st line C? I thought hockey was a team sport, thats the argument many use for McDavid not being already in the top 5 all time. so basically Eichel and Barkov is better than McDavid. cool

Clearly McDavid is on another level from Matthews. Imo Matthews is on the same level with Eichel and Barkov. So leading a club to the Cup separates players within that tier.

 

[VeteranPresence]

whats your argument for placing Eichel or Barkov over Matthews? Eichel and Barkov arent even ppg in their career. when its all said and done Matthews will be higher on the all time list. stop being biased.

Look up who Marcel Dionne was. There's a reason he isn't as highly regarded as many players behind him on the all-time scoring list. Matthews is sadly trending the same way.

unless you think because they won a cup they are better. if so I guess Barkov and Eichel should place over McDavid and MacKinnon?

MacKinnon has a Cup, so your comparison falls apart immediately.

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

Leafs have a losing culture. The whole front office has gotta go.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Based on all you've said you would prefer Steve Yzerman in his 20's over Yzerman in his 30's. Never broke 100 points in his 30's but won 3 cups vs being an annual 100 point guy. A guy like Barkov makes the little defensive sacrifices that make the difference in the end between winning and losing and they are considered sacrifices cause they lower hi point totals. AM34 could just be the new Stevie Y, so maybe once he matures he will start winning, but he hasn't yet, we all see that

thats kinda stupid way to say it his 20s and 30's were all part of the same career. would I take Yzerman over Yzerman? I guess how could I not?

when its all said and done Matthews will be above both of them, even with their cups Matthews still has more awards than both combined. there's alot to consider and 1 cup win isn;t enough to overstep more goals, points and awards. which is very likely to happen considering with basically 170-180 less games he's only 69 points behind Barkov and already exceeded Eichel.

boy the opinions on Eichel sure have changed. I remember how everyone talked about him when he was in Buffalo now he's better than Matthews lol

 

[Sheppy]

I've moved on from making fun of him about his losing records.

I now make fun of him because it's a $16 cab ride from his hairline to his eyebrows.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Clearly McDavid is on another level from Matthews. Imo Matthews is on the same level with Eichel and Barkov. So leading a club to the Cup separates players within that tier.

I never said McDavid wasn't on another level from Matthews but from what your arguing your basically saying Eichel and Barkov are better than McDavid.

Eichel and Barkov are great players but they are behind Matthews that cup win ins't enough Im sorry. its fine if you wanna disagree with me but there's nothing really else to talk about. I already said everything that needs to be said

 

[Kegs]

It’s all his fault.

 

[Barsky]

thats kinda stupid way to say it his 20s and 30's were all part of the same career. would I take Yzerman over Yzerman? I guess how could I not?

when its all said and done Matthews will be above both of them, even with their cups Matthews still has more awards than both combined. there's alot to consider and 1 cup win isn;t enough to overstep more goals, points and awards. which is very likely to happen considering with basically 170-180 less games he's only 69 points behind Barkov and already exceeded Eichel.

boy the opinions on Eichel sure have changed. I remember how everyone talked about him when he was in Buffalo now he's better than Matthews lol

He was 2 completely different players, legendarily so and it took a hell of a lot of friction and talks with Bowman to change him and wake him up. He sacrificed alot of points and goals in his 30's and his reward was 3 cups. Based on what you've said though, you would just look at his point totals and you would take Stevie in his 20's all day long.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

He was 2 completely different players, legendarily so and it took a hell of a lot of friction and talks with Bowman to change him and wake him up. He sacrificed alot of points and goals in his 30's and his reward was 3 cups. Based on what you've said though, you would just look at his point totals and you would take Stevie in his 20's all day long.

Yzerman's seasons through his 20s and 30s all are part of the same nhl career.... also I never said anything about 100 point seasons earlier.

I would take Yzerman for his career and let him grow with the team......

Matthews already has more personal awards and almost more points than Barkov with 160-180 games less. there's just too much of a difference there man. Eichel isnt really even close. atleast Barkov has an argument with how elite his Defensive game is.

 

[Fatass]

I never said McDavid wasn't on another level from Matthews but from what your arguing your basically saying Eichel and Barkov are better than McDavid.

Eichel and Barkov are great players but they are behind Matthews that cup win ins't enough Im sorry. it’s fine if you wanna disagree with me but there's nothing really else to talk about. I already said everything that needs to be said

Matthews is a great player. On that I think we can agree.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Leafs have a losing culture. The whole front office has gotta go.

been this way for way too long, I remember when Jokinen came here and one game he called the room out for it to the media. its just the way the leafs are now. it sucks but it is what it is

really is losing culture.

 

[Juxta Position]

Gotta love how blatant the agenda is on here sometimes. Never steps up in big games despite being the best forward on USA last night and all that stuff. It was exhausting 2 years ago, now just IDK what the word is. Sad maybe, for the people obsessed and not objective enough to appreciate the talent he is.

Check my tagline.. no problem calling him a loser. Last night I didn't see a loser, I saw a guy playing his heart out that lost. Big difference.

But where do these threads come from? Every single year in the Spring there are multiple threads about how Matthews is not a big game player, and now after this best on best more of those threads pop up.

There's a pattern that Leafs fans refuse to see, you all want to shout "The haters, the haters, they just hate Matthews!" the reality is that there's a reason these threads pop up and it's that the narrative is true, when the chips are down Matthews folds. he has his entire career and Leafs fans refuse to see it.

Everyone that is saying Matthews was the best player on the ice last night is looking through papi colored glasses. Brady Tkachuk drove that team last night not Auston Matthews, and for the rest of the tournament leading up to the final, Matthews never recorded a single shot on net until that final game. That's inexcusable for the supposed best goal scorer in the world.

But he was injured right? is that excuse going to follow him for the rest of his career?

Marner .87 ppg in the playoffs, Matthews .87 ppg in the playoffs. Yet somehow Marner is the problem. It must Matthews Selke defense then right? good thing he was able to cover McDavid in overti....oh wait, nevermind.

Matthews apologists will continue to make excuses for him his entire career because he can score goals in the regular season, but his lack of heart when the games matter most is disgusting for a supposed superstar.

 

[Ace]

It’s not like he missed a bunch of open shots and then left McDavid uncovered on the game winner.

…

Oh.

 

[Barsky]

Yzerman's seasons through his 20s and 30s all are part of the same nhl career.... also I never said anything about 100 point seasons earlier.

I would take Yzerman for his career and let him grow with the team......

Matthews already has more personal awards and almost more points than Barkov with 160-180 games less. there's just too much of a difference there man. Eichel isnt really even close. atleast Barkov has an argument with how elite his Defensive game is.

Not a typical career and I was obviously attempting to get you to imagine him as 2 seperate players, Yzerman in his 20's vs Yzerman in his 30's. His evolution from a Matthews into a Barkov was the point I was trying to lead you to. Points and personal awards mean nothing to most fans relative to winning and cups, but maybe you're different

 

[Fatass]

Not a typical career and I was obviously attempting to get you to imagine him as 2 seperate players, Yzerman in his 20's vs Yzerman in his 30's. His evolution from a Matthews into a Barkov was the point I was trying to lead you to. Points and personal awards mean nothing to most fans relative to winning and cups, but maybe you're different

Do these great player (like Matthews and Yzerman clearly are/were) value individual awards like they do the Cup? IMO these true greats define their careers by the Cup. No Cup = a lesser career in their minds.

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

Assists on both goals. 17 other skaters. 2 teammates also covering nobody on the winner.

But let's shit on Matthews. Got it.

 

[bov]

He is taking some heat but I thought he was subtly very good in this tournament, could have had 2-3 goals in the final game alone. Looked great defensively too.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Not a typical career and I was obviously attempting to get you to imagine him as 2 seperate players, Yzerman in his 20's vs Yzerman in his 30's. His evolution from a Matthews into a Barkov was the point I was trying to lead you to. Points and personal awards mean nothing to most fans relative to winning and cups, but maybe you're different

you have to understand when your ranking a player all time there's more to it than just one thing.
goals, points, awards and championships all count. if Matthews exceeds them in every category other than winning a cup then how are you placing those players higher?

would you place Maroon over Barkov? he has more cups. no you wouldn't because in every aspect of the game Barkov and Eichel are better.

the only real argument Barkov has is his elite 2way play and Matthews aint just some bum he's a pretty damn good 2 way player as well

 

[Nogatco Rd]

I’m all for a good “shit on Matthews” opportunity, but as the guy who had the 2 primary assists and got absolutely robbed on multiple occasions in OT. He was the best player for the US last night.

How tf are chances he didn’t convert on considered points in his favor?