Auston Matthews is now 0-7 in winner take all games in his career

[qc14]

What is the Bayern equivalent that Matthews will move to in 5 years to finally get that trophy?

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Actually, some clubs would allocate their cap dollars in better ways than adding Matthews. So got to disagree.
It’s like when Dubas added Tavares. Yes, a great player, but it’s a capped league so the club had to cut cap allocation elsewhere.

Tavares signing wouldnt have been much of an issue if it wasn't for covid putting the NHL into a flat cap for 4 years. the cap would have gone up and his cap percentage would have dropped.

you know with the cap going up as much as it is soon what hes making wont be all that crazy, there's talk of McDavid becoming the first 20m player, guys below him will likely be making 15+ before you know it. maybe even more.

 

[Ghost of Murph]

Matthews is a great player who isn't able to step it up a notch in big games to the extent some other star NHL scorers do. It's not that Matthews completely disappears in big games, it's that he doesn't separate himself like other stars do.

For example, looking at playoff points:

Draisaitl: 74 games 108 pts
McDavid: 74 games 117 pts
Nate: 88 games 114 pts

Matthews 55 games 48 pts

For whatever reason Matthews becomes more pedestrian in big games than most other elite scorers.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Matthews is a great player who isn't able to step it up a notch in big games to the extent some other star NHL scorers do. It's not that Matthews completely disappears in big games, it's that he doesn't separate himself like other stars do.

For example, looking at playoff points:

Draisaitl: 74 games 108 pts
McDavid: 74 games 117 pts
Nate: 88 games 114 pts

Matthews 55 games 48 pts

For whatever reason Matthews becomes more pedestrian in big games than most other elite scorers.

Doesn’t have the heart, pretty obvious when he’s missing playoff games with a bellyache

 

[PB37]

Fair criticism for his Leafs playoff performances but he played real well last night and was the most dangerous US forward in OT if Binnington didn’t rob him twice. 2 primary assists as well. Can’t ask for a much better performance.

I know everyone wants to blame him for losing 97 in OT but watch that goal again. Adam Fox blew his coverage which forced everyone to switch, and Matthews decided to pressure Marner instead of giving him a lane to the net, which left Mcdavid open.

Disagree. Fox was fine. Matthews didn't put a lot of effort in pursuing the puck. To be fair, it's McDavid who's a master of finding open space but that space doesn't get open if Matthews doesn't lackadaisically put himself in a no man's position where he's not close enough to Marner to pressure the pass and not close enough to McDavid to stop it from happening. Wingers bailed on the play too, seemingly forgetting the most dangerous player in the game was making his way to the slot. All around loose, poor coverage from team USA forwards.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Actually, some clubs would allocate their cap dollars in better ways than adding Matthews. So got to disagree.
It’s like when Dubas added Tavares. Yes, a great player, but it’s a capped league so the club had to cut cap allocation elsewhere.

also we will see....... soon bottom 6 players will be making 5-6m so you so sure about that?

 

[A1LeafNation]

And if Canada lost it would be Marner who is 0-7.

 

[Maestro84]

everyone loves to give Matthews a hard time but 10/10 would want him on their team

I won't deny that lol

 

[Fatass]

also we will see....... soon bottom 6 players will be making 5-6m so you so sure about that?

Yes, I’m sure. Clubs with elite centres (players) already can’t allocate the cap to Matthews while keeping their internal cap structure flexible. As the cap goes Up all players get more, but the % of total cap stays about the same.

 

[AvroArrow]

Fair criticism for his Leafs playoff performances but he played real well last night and was the most dangerous US forward in OT if Binnington didn’t rob him twice. 2 primary assists as well. Can’t ask for a much better performance.

I know everyone wants to blame him for losing 97 in OT but watch that goal again. Adam Fox blew his coverage which forced everyone to switch, and Matthews decided to pressure Marner instead of giving him a lane to the net, which left Mcdavid open.

As a Leafs fan and Matthews glazer, you just do not leave the front of the net. Not when it's Connor F****** McDavid in the slot.

Fox absolutely lost his guy but you stop the threat, Marner along the boards isn't the scoring threat in that situation. Plus as the C, the slot is his duty. It was an overall defensive breakdown, but regardless of Fox losing his man, you don't leave the front of the net to challenge a passer along the boards.

The entire purpose of defense in hockey is to stop the play from advancing. Sometimes it's by using the body to separate the man from the puck, sometimes it's positioning to cut off a passing lane, sometimes it's having a good stick to force passes to the outside/non-threatening areas. In that situation the play is, cover the slot, challenge McDavid for position and tie his stick up. Just make it difficult for him to receive the puck/shoot the puck.

Fox being out of position allowed Marner to have time to make a pass or a play. Matthews going out of position allowed McDavid to become an immediate high danger scoring threat.

I think Matthews had a very strong game overall, he was phenomenal the entire night IMO except that play. And unfortunately that play sealed the game. I'm sure he's going to learn from it, but you absolutely just cannot do that. It's just shitty because he had such a great game prior to that, but the error was so big it over shadows the 2 assists that even got the game to OT + the 2 dangerous scoring chances he had.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Yes, I’m sure. Clubs with elite centres (players) already can’t allocate the cap to Matthews while keeping their internal cap structure flexible. As the cap goes Up all players get more, but the % of total cap stays about the same.

also your way over thinking it, your telling me if u could add Matthews you would choose not to?

 

[Misery74]

Blaming Matthews is absurd. The US left some of their best players out so they could dress four NYR.

Blame Guerin.

 

[JoeSakic13]

I’m all for a good “shit on Matthews” opportunity, but as the guy who had the 2 primary assists and got absolutely robbed on multiple occasions in OT. He was the best player for the US last night.

Did he miss his assignment on the GWG? Absolutely. However guys like Hughes being invisible are why Matthews became 0-7 in whatever stat you’re talking about.

 

[GreeningOil]

Incorrect

He's 0-7 in games where it's winner takes all games, not do or die.

He forced a game 7 in 2018 vs Boston, he forced game 5 vs Columbus, forced game 7 vs Boston in 2024, was down 3-1 to Boston in 2024 and won 2 to force a game 7

I get it, you want to take this opportunity to shit on Matthews. At least have the decency to do it correctly. Clown thread.

This correction is not flattering

 

[armani]

Who is Harry Kane? Is that Patrick's brother?

 

[Bruins4Lifer]

Matthews is a great player who isn't able to step it up a notch in big games to the extent some other star NHL scorers do. It's not that Matthews completely disappears in big games, it's that he doesn't separate himself like other stars do.

For example, looking at playoff points:

Draisaitl: 74 games 108 pts
McDavid: 74 games 117 pts
Nate: 88 games 114 pts

Matthews 55 games 48 pts

For whatever reason Matthews becomes more pedestrian in big games than most other elite scorers.

It's even more apparent when you look at goals. He goes from a ~55 goals/82 gp pace in the regular season to a ~35 goal/82 gp pace in the playoffs.

 

[Fatass]

also your way over thinking it, your telling me if u could add Matthews you would choose not to?

Depends on the club. If the club already has an elite centre (and other elite players) with high cap allocated to them, then certainly not.
Is Matthews better than McKinnon, McDavid, Eichel, or Barkov? There’s four Cup favourites who (imo) would not add Matthews. It’s a capped league.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

As a Leafs fan and Matthews glazer, you just do not leave the front of the net. Not when it's Connor F****** McDavid in the slot.

Fox absolutely lost his guy but you stop the threat, Marner along the boards isn't the scoring threat in that situation. Plus as the C, the slot is his duty. It was an overall defensive breakdown, but regardless of Fox losing his man, you don't leave the front of the net to challenge a passer along the boards.

The entire purpose of defense in hockey is to stop the play from advancing. Sometimes it's by using the body to separate the man from the puck, sometimes it's positioning to cut off a passing lane, sometimes it's having a good stick to force passes to the outside/non-threatening areas. In that situation the play is, cover the slot, challenge McDavid for position and tie his stick up. Just make it difficult for him to receive the puck/shoot the puck.

Fox being out of position allowed Marner to have time to make a pass or a play. Matthews going out of position allowed McDavid to become an immediate high danger scoring threat.

I think Matthews had a very strong game overall, he was phenomenal the entire night IMO except that play. And unfortunately that play sealed the game. I'm sure he's going to learn from it, but you absolutely just cannot do that. It's just shitty because he had such a great game prior to that, but the error was so big it over shadows the 2 assists that even got the game to OT + the 2 dangerous scoring chances he had.

I thought he was the best player on the ice for either team last night tbh

Unfortunately all anyone will remember is this image:

 

[Khelandros]

Incorrect

He's 0-7 in games where it's winner takes all games, not do or die.

He forced a game 7 in 2018 vs Boston, he forced game 5 vs Columbus, forced game 7 vs Boston in 2024, was down 3-1 to Boston in 2024 and won 2 to force a game 7

I get it, you want to take this opportunity to shit on Matthews. At least have the decency to do it correctly. Clown thread.

yes but no.

2018 Game 5 - one goal
2018 Game 6 - one goal
2018 Game 7 - 0 points

2019 Game 4 - one goal, two assists
2019 Game 5 - 0 points

2024 Game 5 - Didn't play
2024 Game 6 - Didn't play
2024 Game 7 - one assist

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Matthews is usually pretty good in these games. Is “usually pretty good” good enough? I say no, and I am sure he would agree… doesnt mean hes been bad but he’s yet to really take over a game and win the damn thing

 

[Frank Drebin]

Who cares? He doesn't.

 

[Barsky]

everyone knows your lying. he would become a fan fav in Ottawa real quick


caps going to be over 100m before you know it. I never said anything about Matthews replacing anyone. so yeah I think fans would be very happy if he was also on their team along with MacKinnon, McDavid, Eichel or Barkov

Not lying, can't stand him or his porn stache! The title of this thread is bang on and good reason too when combined with his ridiculous paychecks

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Depends on the club. If the club already has an elite centre (and other elite players) with high cap allocated to them, then certainly not.
Is Matthews better than McKinnon, McDavid, Eichel, or Barkov? There’s four Cup favourites who (imo) would not add Matthews. It’s a capped league.

Matthews would come 3rd on that list. you are way over thinking it, Id fire you if you thought this way with how much the cap is rising.

so you would pass on one of the top players in the league for free to sign a couple middle 6 forwards who will be making 7-8m in a year or 2?

Yikes, maybe I should say 9/10 would take Matthews if they could because your obviously that 1

Not lying, can't stand him or his porn stache! The title of this thread is bang on and good reason too when combined with his ridiculous paychecks

your fandom shouldnt matter when your the GM of a franchise.

 

[Barsky]

Tavares signing wouldnt have been much of an issue if it wasn't for covid putting the NHL into a flat cap for 4 years. the cap would have gone up and his cap percentage would have dropped.

you know with the cap going up as much as it is soon what hes making wont be all that crazy, there's talk of McDavid becoming the first 20m player, guys below him will likely be making 15+ before you know it. maybe even more.

Yup, the Leafs assumed the cap would go up just like you are now. Maybe if AM34 had actually signed long term, but he didn't, 3 more seasons and he'll make sure his current ridiculous paychecks will get even more ridiculous. Don't want him on my team and haven't ever since his little pants down stunt in Arizona

 

[Fatass]

Matthews would come 3rd on that list. you are way over thinking it, Id fire you if you thought this way with how much the cap is rising.

so you would pass on one of the top players in the league for free to sign a couple middle 6 forwards who will be making 7-8m in a year or 2?

Yikes, maybe I should say 9/10 would take Matthews if they could because your obviously that 1


your fandom shouldnt matter when your the GM of a franchise.

Third on that list? Which one of those four has Matthews proven to be better?