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Just going on the previous 3 years 2018-2021:

All situations relevant stats:

Goals/60:
Matthews: 1.95
Draisaitl: 1.58

Points/60:
Matthews: 3.41
Draisaitl: 3.82

Giveaways/60:
Matthews: 2.62
Draisaitl: 3.55

Takeaways/60:
Matthews: 2.84
Draisaitl: 2.39

Faceoff win%:
Matthews: 53.04
Draisaitl: 52.53

Hits/60:
Matthews: 1.95
Draisaitl: 1.54

Blocked Shots/60:
Matthews: 2.6
Draisaitl: 0.73

PIM:
Matthews: 0.47
Draisaitl: 1.17


5v5 stats:

Goals/60:
Matthews: 1.6
Draisaitl: 1.09

Points/60:
Matthews: 2.69
Draisaitl: 2.69

CF%:
Matthews: 53.87
Draisaitl: 48.69

SF%:
Matthews: 53.59
Draisaitl: 48.37

SCF%:
Matthews: 56.51
Draisaitl: 48.55

HDCF%:
Matthews: 58.41
Draisaitl: 47.12

xGF%:
Matthews: 55.54
Draisaitl: 49.00

GF%:
Matthews: 56.72
Draisaitl: 53.77


Theres no denying Draisaitl has been more impressive on the PP but thats literally the only place he holds a large advantage over Matthews anywhere over the last 3 years and whatever advantage you think he's gained there is completely wiped out by the fact Matthews has MUCH better defensive numbers across the board. In addition to being a much better defender, Matthews hits more, blocks more shots, and has slight to solid advantages in practically everything there is to track. Again, running up numbers playing with the best player in the world is great and all but you have to remember, they havnt played the Leafs yet.....the same Leafs team that, led by Matthews, that crushed the two superstars last year.

You can try to make a case this year with Draisaitl off to such a hot start and Matthews coming off of surgery but is that really fair?.......and if Drai is simply way too smart for Matthews, how come he cant figure out how to play D even close to his level?

Lets check out their 5v5 D numbers for fun? Fun to go back at look at an old list of top center ranked defensively for last year:


Lowest 5v5 Shots Against/60:
1. Mackinnon
2. Bergeron
3. Kopitar
4. Matthews
5. Barkov
6. Barzal
7. O'Reilly
8. Couturier
9. Tavares
10. Crosby
11. McDavid
12. Draisaitl
13. Scheifele
14. Larkin

Lowest 5v5 Shots Against/60 REL:
1. Kopitar
2. Bergeron
3. Barkov
4. Mackinnon
5. Matthews
6. O'Reilly
7. Barzal
8. Couturier
9. McDavid
10. Crosby
11. Draisaitl
12. Larkin
13. Tavares
14. Scheifele

Lowest 5v5 High Danger Chances Against/60:
1. Mackinnon
2. Barkov
3. Bergeron
4. Matthews
5, Barzal
6. Tavares
7. Couturier
8. O'Reilly
9. McDavid
10. Crosby
11. Kopitar
12. Larkin
13. Draisaitl
14. Scheifele

Lowest 5v5 High Danger Chances Against/60 REL:
1. Kopitar
2. Bergeron
3. Matthews
4. Barkov
5. Mackinnon
6. Barzal
7. Couturier
8. O'Reilly
9. McDavid
10. Tavares
11. Crosby
12. Draisaitll
13. Larkin
14. Scheifele

Lowest 5v5 Expected Goals Against/60:
1. Mackinnon
2. Bergeron
3. Barkov
4. Matthews
5. Tavares
6. Barzal
7. Couturier
8. Kopitar
9. Crosby
10. O'Reilly
11. Larkin
12. McDavid
13. Draisaitl
14. Scheifele

Lowest 5v5 Expected Goals Against/60 REL:
1. Kopitar
2. Bergeron
3. Mackinnon
4. Barkov
5. Matthews
6. O'Reilly
7. Barzal
8. Couturier
9. Tavares
10. Crosby
11. McDavid
12. Larkin
13. Scheifele
14. Draisaitl

Takeaways/60:
1. Draisaitl
2. Matthews
3. Barkov
4. O'Reilly
5. Scheifele
6. Bergeron
7. Crosby
8. Tavares
9. Barzal
10. McDavid
11. Larkin
12. Couturier
13. Mackinnon
14. Kopitar

Blocked Shots/60:
1. Matthews
2. Kopitar
3. Barkov
4. Scheifele
5. Tavares
6. Bergeron
7. Crosby
8. Couturier
9. O'Reilly
10. Larkin
11. McDavid
12. Mackinnon
13. Barzal
14. Draisaitl

Lowest 5v5 Ozone start%:
1. Kopitar
2. O'Reilly
3. Draisaitl
4. Larkin
5. Bergeron
6. Matthews
7. Barkov
8. Couturier
9. Scheifele
10. Tavares
11. McDavid
12. Crosby
13. Barzal
14. MacKinnon​

Matthews is just a way more complete player than Drai and it's why I would take him if given a choice.
Neither Matthews nor Draisaitl is used in a primary defensive matchup or paid to go and shut down/attempt at shutting down an opposing teams top players.

Block shots/Hits/take aways/give aways are all good but they don't reflect the quality of defense of a player unless your factoring in expected role. Matthews being a bit better at less meaningful and contributing areas of the game than Draisaitl doesn't erase the wide gap in production between the two players.

The leafs have been a deeper team than the Oilers for pretty much Draisaitls entire tenure. They've been the better coached and better built team. Draisaitl has had his performance hurt playing under a system which isn't as equipped to maximize possession and generation as the leafs system

They are both franchise 1Cs, both are expected to produce amongst the best players in the world. Their defensive impacts are not extraordinary and they won't be playing Danault/pre break out bergeron/Krueger/ even kampf type roles with heavy defensive responsibilities and expectations being to hinder and disturb other teams offenses as much as possible. Defensive contributions for superstar players are always overstated and the importance of their contributions are misrepresented from a defensive perspective. An offensive 1C will be looking to out produce and out generate another 1C, he won't be playing a defensive focus matchup game which will look to shut down the 1Cs chances at the costs of his own.

Mattbews defensive contributions are primarily his line which has another super star being strong at shot generation and out attempting other teams often. Despite that he's a poor play maker and marner a terrible goal scorer for a elite winger. They don't have the ability to convert plays and make tangible impact on the scoreboard unlike Draisaitl who can be not as strong in the offensive zone in terms of quality looks generated but can bury a shot in an instance or find a shooter with one great pass.

The value coming from offensive contributions >>> value from defensive contributions for players like Matthews/Mcdavid/Mack/Drai (the 4 best Centers in the world where none are elite defensive matchup players.

The issue isn't that Matthews not being elite for 13 games this year.

The issue is Draisaitl has been all world in 2019 and 2020 while Matthews paced for 88 and 94 points in those year and didn't show himself to be a top 10 player for the two years combined. It was argued that his lack of playing time hurt him in this comparison. Matthews playing time increased greatly since Keefe was brought in. He looked like he could be a comparable producer to Drasaitl for once since 29 broke out in 2021. Matthews legit had the argument that he was better considering he produced around 13-14 points less pace than Draisaitl while not having 97 as an option.

This year Draisailt is doing what Matthews was doing from a goal scoring perspective and going around goal a game. He won't finish that level like Matthews but the level he's at is one no player in the NHL can match in terms of scoring goals. He's assisting at an higher rate than even that.

A healthy matthews might be producing at a 100-110 point pace but Draisailt will surely beat him by 30+ points after doing the same in 2020 (94 vs 128 paces, and by 17 in 2019 at 88 vs 105 paces). Matthews plays about 2 minutes less per game or 3 shifts. The gap in offensive production won't be reduced by playing 2 more minutes a night for the leafs.


Matthews can't out value Drasaitl unless he out scoring him in goals, and being within 15 or so points at which stage the McDavid factor can be an argument at the latest.

Matthews over drasaitl is a take only leaf fans would take at the moment. Draisaitl for his susrained production as a top 3 player in the league, his incredible value contract which he got being around a top 20 player in the league when signed, and his small bit promising sample of playoff production, he is the better player, asset and piece to build around in my opinion
 
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Neither Matthews nor Draisaitl is used in a primary defensive matchup or paid to go and shut down/attempt at shutting down an opposing teams top players.

Block shots/Hits/take aways/give aways are all good but they don't reflect the quality of defense of a player unless your factoring in expected role. Matthews being a bit better at less meaningful and contributing areas of the game than Draisaitl doesn't erase the wide gap in production between the two players.

The leafs have been a deeper team than the Oilers for pretty much Draisaitls entire tenure. They've been the better coached and better built team. Draisaitl has had his performance hurt playing under a system which isn't as equipped to maximize possession and generation as the leafs system

They are both franchise 1Cs, both are expected to produce amongst the best players in the world. Their defensive impacts are not extraordinary and they won't be playing Danault/pre break out bergeron/Krueger/ even kampf type roles with heavy defensive responsibilities and expectations being to hinder and disturb other teams offenses as much as possible. Defensive contributions for superstar players are always overstated and the importance of their contributions are misrepresented from a defensive perspective. An offensive 1C will be looking to out produce and out generate another 1C, he won't be playing a defensive focus matchup game which will look to shut down the 1Cs chances at the costs of his own.

Mattbews defensive contributions are primarily his line which has another super star being strong at shot generation and out attempting other teams often. Despite that he's a poor play maker and marner a terrible goal scorer for a elite winger. They don't have the ability to convert plays and make tangible impact on the scoreboard unlike Draisaitl who can be not as strong in the offensive zone in terms of quality looks generated but can bury a shot in an instance or find a shooter with one great pass.

The value coming from offensive contributions >>> value from defensive contributions for players like Matthews/Mcdavid/Mack/Drai (the 4 best Centers in the world where none are elite defensive matchup players.

The issue isn't that Matthews not being elite for 13 games this year.

The issue is Draisaitl has been all world in 2019 and 2020 while Matthews paced for 88 and 94 points in those year and didn't show himself to be a top 10 player for the two years combined. It was argued that his lack of playing time hurt him in this comparison. Matthews playing time increased greatly since Keefe was brought in. He looked like he could be a comparable producer to Drasaitl for once since 29 broke out in 2021. Matthews legit had the argument that he was better considering he produced around 13-14 points less pace than Draisaitl while not having 97 as an option.

This year Draisailt is doing what Matthews was doing from a goal scoring perspective and going around goal a game. He won't finish that level like Matthews but the level he's at is one no player in the NHL can match in terms of scoring goals. He's assisting at an higher rate than even that.

A healthy matthews might be producing at a 100-110 point pace but Draisailt will surely beat him by 30+ points after doing the same in 2020 (94 vs 128 paces, and by 17 in 2019 at 88 vs 105 paces). Matthews plays about 2 minutes less per game or 3 shifts. The gap in offensive production won't be reduced by playing 2 more minutes a night for the leafs.


Matthews can't out value Drasaitl unless he out scoring him in goals, and being within 15 or so points at which stage the McDavid factor can be an argument at the latest.

Matthews over drasaitl is a take only leaf fans would take at the moment. Draisaitl for his susrained production as a top 3 player in the league, his incredible value contract which he got being around a top 20 player in the league when signed, and his small bit promising sample of playoff production, he is the better player, asset and piece to build around in my opinion

I'm not sure if you comprehend just how terrible Draisaitl is defensively.

From 2018 to 2021, Draisaitl had 29 more ES points in 19 more games than Matthews. McDavid obviously impacted that huge. If you take everything into account - the difference in their production at ES isn't much at all.

The Oilers have a killer PP and Drai is obviously a big part of that. They can have it - I'll take the superior defensive center over the superior PP player 100/100 times. 200 foot centers is where it's at, guys like Point and Toews may not blow the doors off in the regular season but they always show how much more valuable they are come postseason time.

The leafs have been a deeper team than the Oilers for pretty much Draisaitls entire tenure. They've been the better coached and better built team. Draisaitl has had his performance hurt playing under a system which isn't asequipped to maximize possession and generation as the leafs system

I don't know if you understand just what the Oilers system is all about. They literally build it around Drai and McDavid scoring as many goals as possible, and with shit loads of TOI too. Being a deeper team has nothing to do whatsoever with individual production.
 
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Look at his series against the Hawks and Jets. His defensive game is laughable and they abused it nonstop. The guy is the ultimate cherry-picker. The Oiler's system in general is a joke, they've basically told Drai and McDavid to do whatever they need to do to score as many goals as possible.
Well until this year, they’ve had 5-6 top 9 and the rest are fillers and depth options. They weren’t gonna be able run a proper system with guys like that.

now they have a proper top 6, a solid bottom 6, somewhat decent defensive depth.
This is imo the year that matters a lot for them. McDrai don’t have the excuse of carrying alone anymore. If they lose this year, then I’d say they deserve a lot heat, probably around matthews and Marner vs Montreal level or more
 
Neither Matthews nor Draisaitl is used in a primary defensive matchup or paid to go and shut down/attempt at shutting down an opposing teams top players.

Block shots/Hits/take aways/give aways are all good but they don't reflect the quality of defense of a player unless your factoring in expected role. Matthews being a bit better at less meaningful and contributing areas of the game than Draisaitl doesn't erase the wide gap in production between the two players.

The leafs have been a deeper team than the Oilers for pretty much Draisaitls entire tenure. They've been the better coached and better built team. Draisaitl has had his performance hurt playing under a system which isn't as equipped to maximize possession and generation as the leafs system

They are both franchise 1Cs, both are expected to produce amongst the best players in the world. Their defensive impacts are not extraordinary and they won't be playing Danault/pre break out bergeron/Krueger/ even kampf type roles with heavy defensive responsibilities and expectations being to hinder and disturb other teams offenses as much as possible. Defensive contributions for superstar players are always overstated and the importance of their contributions are misrepresented from a defensive perspective. An offensive 1C will be looking to out produce and out generate another 1C, he won't be playing a defensive focus matchup game which will look to shut down the 1Cs chances at the costs of his own.

Mattbews defensive contributions are primarily his line which has another super star being strong at shot generation and out attempting other teams often. Despite that he's a poor play maker and marner a terrible goal scorer for a elite winger. They don't have the ability to convert plays and make tangible impact on the scoreboard unlike Draisaitl who can be not as strong in the offensive zone in terms of quality looks generated but can bury a shot in an instance or find a shooter with one great pass.

The value coming from offensive contributions >>> value from defensive contributions for players like Matthews/Mcdavid/Mack/Drai (the 4 best Centers in the world where none are elite defensive matchup players.

The issue isn't that Matthews not being elite for 13 games this year.

The issue is Draisaitl has been all world in 2019 and 2020 while Matthews paced for 88 and 94 points in those year and didn't show himself to be a top 10 player for the two years combined. It was argued that his lack of playing time hurt him in this comparison. Matthews playing time increased greatly since Keefe was brought in. He looked like he could be a comparable producer to Drasaitl for once since 29 broke out in 2021. Matthews legit had the argument that he was better considering he produced around 13-14 points less pace than Draisaitl while not having 97 as an option.

This year Draisailt is doing what Matthews was doing from a goal scoring perspective and going around goal a game. He won't finish that level like Matthews but the level he's at is one no player in the NHL can match in terms of scoring goals. He's assisting at an higher rate than even that.

A healthy matthews might be producing at a 100-110 point pace but Draisailt will surely beat him by 30+ points after doing the same in 2020 (94 vs 128 paces, and by 17 in 2019 at 88 vs 105 paces). Matthews plays about 2 minutes less per game or 3 shifts. The gap in offensive production won't be reduced by playing 2 more minutes a night for the leafs.


Matthews can't out value Drasaitl unless he out scoring him in goals, and being within 15 or so points at which stage the McDavid factor can be an argument at the latest.

Matthews over drasaitl is a take only leaf fans would take at the moment. Draisaitl for his susrained production as a top 3 player in the league, his incredible value contract which he got being around a top 20 player in the league when signed, and his small bit promising sample of playoff production, he is the better player, asset and piece to build around in my opinion

A difference of opinion is probably going to be the endgame here then.

You talk about Leafs depth when Drai gets to play every game with maybe the greatest player that has ever laced up skates right? Even this year, his play drops off when away from McDavid bolstered by an insane PDO (including a 20% 5v5 shooting% when he's on the ice) without him. Nothing says what he is doing is sustainable ATM. I'll eat my words of course if he somehow keeps it up but it all seems ludicrous to expect combined with the fact Matthews is just getting up to speed and has been just as unlucky as Drai has been lucky.

Just gotta wait to see how it plays out really. One more parting shot I will add is that Matthews has generally outplayed Drai head to head....probably as he's just a more complete player. I'm actually looking forward to them clashing again although not as much as Matthews vs. Barkov (who Matthews has pretty much destroyed the last few years).
 
I feel like Matthews is a more uniquely talented player than Draisaitl, but Draisaitl has had a better knack for pure offensive production if that makes sense. There's a simplicity and efficiency to his game that Draisaitl has where he moves in straight lines, uses his body, goes into traffic with his elbows out and distributes the puck very quickly and decisively that I think Matthews doesn't always. Add to the fact that he plays on a team with a McDavid, and he can just produce, produce, produce.

Sometimes Matthews gets a little too fussy with his game and I think it reduces his point production 'efficiency'. It looks like he's a 6'3" guy trying to play a 5'10" game and doesn't take advantage of his size. Reverts to a finesse game where there's a lot of little touch passes and leaves the puck in areas, which doesn't feel like efficient puck distribution. Goes into a corner leading with his stick for a low percentage poke check with no escape routes, moves through the neutral zone slowly with too many touches of the puck, does the whole drop pass thing. Calls for shots before getting adequately open and has to peel off and relieve pressure by moving the puck back to the point.

Feels like if he edited his game and incorporated a little more of those straight ahead Draisaitl tendencies he would produce a lot more. Basically the beast version we saw of him in the New York Rangers game (where he ironically didn't get on the board) or Montreal Game 2 when it looked like he was going to have his big coming out playoff party.
 
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A difference of opinion is probably going to be the endgame here then.

You talk about Leafs depth when Drai gets to play every game with maybe the greatest player that has ever laced up skates right? Even this year, his play drops off when away from McDavid bolstered by an insane PDO (including a 20% 5v5 shooting% when he's on the ice) without him. Nothing says what he is doing is sustainable ATM. I'll eat my words of course if he somehow keeps it up but it all seems ludicrous to expect combined with the fact Matthews is just getting up to speed and has been just as unlucky as Drai has been lucky.

Just gotta wait to see how it plays out really. One more parting shot I will add is that Matthews has generally outplayed Drai head to head....probably as he's just a more complete player. I'm actually looking forward to them clashing again although not as much as Matthews vs. Barkov (who Matthews has pretty much destroyed the last few years).
That's fair, I guess it depends how much better McDavid you think is than Marner/Nylander/JT who Matthews gets to play with every game on the PP/3v3/4v4/super line moments. I don't think Matthews is as severely disadvantaged as people want to make him out to be. If they are producing similar at EVS then PP scoring comes down to deciding factor. Matthews has no real excuse there for not being a top 5 player on the PP year in and year out like Draisaitl.

Also I am certainly am not expecting Draisaitl to put up 180 or whatever he's on pace for. I do think he can get 130-140 pts and be right there with McDavid as the leading point producer. I don't know if Matthews in the same situation would be putting up around those numbers.

I do hope Matthews goes on a tear and still wins the Rocket as it's not impossible yet with him only 9 goals back and majority of the season to be played.
 
I'm not sure if you comprehend just how terrible Draisaitl is defensively.

From 2018 to 2021, Draisaitl had 29 more ES points in 19 more games than Matthews. McDavid obviously impacted that huge. If you take everything into account - the difference in their production at ES isn't much at all.

The Oilers have a killer PP and Drai is obviously a big part of that. They can have it - I'll take the superior defensive center over the superior PP player 100/100 times. 200 foot centers is where it's at, guys like Point and Toews may not blow the doors off in the regular season but they always show how much more valuable they are come postseason time.



I don't know if you understand just what the Oilers system is all about. They literally build it around Drai and McDavid scoring as many goals as possible, and with shit loads of TOI too. Being a deeper team has nothing to do whatsoever with individual production.
The first part of your post at having an elite defensive C is not very relevant as we don't have the luxary of having Matthews being utilized and deployed as a shut down center who can neutralize other 1Cs offenses and chances. He's our go to guy who has to out produce other 1Cs not go for a hard matchup heavily defensive coverage role.

Toews, won 3Cs having ppg+ offense in 2 of the 3 runs. Matthews hasn't been able to get his offense going in the playoffs. We've lost as a result.

Toews also had all time great team, with several hall of gamers including the 2nd best winger of the post lockout era in Kane. His team was loaded with talent, and had great coaching from Q(who despite it all was/is a great coach)

Point also had 2 players better than him on the cup runs. The best winger right now in the world and a top 3 player in Kucherov and then Hedman the best D-man in the league. Not to mention the best Goalie.

Those "defensive" 1Cs were able to win cups due to never/rarely being the best players on their teams runs. They had incredible help and superior offensive players driving the offense along the way.

Crosby, Geno, Kuznetsov, are elite offensive centers with the first two being best and 3rd best players of the 05 to 17 Era.

Draisaitl has the ability to dominate offensively like that second group in the playoffs and has a ppg+ start in his playoffs career so far. His offensive game aligns with elite 1Cs in the playoffs.

This will be the year to determine if him and McDavid are capable of actually producing when it matters most an win in the playoffs with a strong team
 
I'm actually big on the Oilers this year and have said as much since the beginning of the year.....and thats a team with one playoff game win in 4 years.
 
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Matthews is a great player. Draisaitl is a great player.

I have no idea why people get fixated and argue, as to which one is better. Who cares?

We have Matthews. Drai plays for another team.

For all of their "greatness" Draisaitl and his team have missed the playoffs 50% of the seasons he's played. They've won one round.

Matthews has made the playoffs every season, but has yet to win a round.

I will be impressed, when one of them carries their team to post season successes, but until then, the argument is about as good as.. my dad can beat up your dad.
In all fairness, my dad could beat up a lot of dads.

Did I get the point? Tune in for the next episode of kb mimics auto matics.
 
Just a question, if someone people are convinced that AM is the second best player behind McDavid, does that mean the Leafs win the Cup?
 
Just a question, if someone people are convinced that AM is the second best player behind McDavid, does that mean the Leafs win the Cup?
Well did the best player win the Cup? If not how do you expect the 2nd best to? Nevermind if you think the best 2 are in Edmonton and they still have no cup.
 
Well did the best player win the Cup? If not how do you expect the 2nd best to? Nevermind if you think the best 2 are in Edmonton and they still have no cup.
That’s my point. It doesn’t matter if AM is the best or 2nd best or 10th best player in the league. The only thing that matters is winning the Cup.
 
That’s my point. It doesn’t matter if AM is the best or 2nd best or 10th best player in the league. The only thing that matters is winning the Cup.
Winning the Cup is great, but in the end its a tournament where anything can happen. The best team does not win the Cup very often. Habs almost made it last year, Leafs are a much better team.
 
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Winning the Cup is great, but in the end its a tournament where anything can happen. The best team does not win the Cup very often. Habs almost made it last year, Leafs are a much better team.
Leafs was not the better team in the series or else they would advanced.
They the better team in the regular season.
 
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Winning the Cup is great, but in the end its a tournament where anything can happen. The best team does not win the Cup very often. Habs almost made it last year, Leafs are a much better team.
I think someone broke down the cup wins and about 50% or more were expected or top2. You can dominate this league.
 
#1 C Defense

5v5 xGA/60, this year + Last year

1. Bergeron 1.67
2. MacKinnon 1.81
3. Point 1.92
4. Gourde 1.92
5. Backstrom 1.93
6. Eriksson Ek 1.95
7. Matthews 2.04
8. Suzuki 2.07
9. Barkov 2.11
10. Lindholm 2.12
11. Hughes 2.15
12. Larsson 2.17
13. Couturier 2.22
14. Hertl 2.23
15. Toews 2.28
16. O'Reilly 2.33
17. Barzal 2.33
18. Crosby 2.36
19. Granlund 2.37
20. Getzlaf 2.37
21. Kopitar 2.43
22. Larkin 2.45
23. Seguin 2.49
24. Zibanejad 2.50
25. Norris 2.51
26. Stephenson 2.52
27. McDavid 2.54
28. Thompson 2.57
29. Jenner 2.58
30. Aho 2.66
31. Pettersson 2.67
32. Scheifele 2.88


Relative to Team:

1. Hertl -2.8
2. Toews -2.6
3. Hughes -2.3
4. Bergeron -1.9
5. Point -1.6
6. Backstrom -1.6
7. Larsson -1.5
8. Suzuki -1.4
9. Gourde -1.3
10. Getzlaf -1.3
11. Matthews -1.2
12. Couturier -0.9
13. Pettersson -0.6
14. Eriksson Ek -0.6
15. O'Reilly -0.4
16. Kopitar -0.4
17. Norris -0.4
18. Stephenson -0.2
19. Barkov 0.0
20. McDavid 0.0
21. Crosby 0.0
22. MacKinnon +0.1
23. Larkin +0.1
24. Lindholm +0.5
25. Zibanejad +1.0
26. Thompson +1.4
27. Jenner +1.5
28. Barzal +1.6
29. Granlund +2.0
30. Aho +2.0
31. Scheifele +2.3
32. Seguin +3.5
 
Gonna be funny when Matthews goes on a hot streak.

Also, Draisaitl is as good as an offensive player as it gets, but a 32% shooting percentage simply isn't sustainable. He'll slow down. Ovi is prob the biggest threat to win the Rocket.
 
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Leafs was not the better team in the series or else they would advanced.
They the better team in the regular season.
first to 4 wins is a small sample size. anything can and does happen. Habs are not close to as good a team as the Leafs. Any team can get on a roll but give it enough time the truth shows up.
 
Winning the Cup is great, but in the end its a tournament where anything can happen. The best team does not win the Cup very often. Habs almost made it last year, Leafs are a much better team.

Would you rather be the "best" team or win the cup?
 
Would you rather be the "best" team or win the cup?
yeah I'm a fan and buy into the playoff hype,I'd rather win the cup, but alot of that is luck . At least if I was a fan of the best team I would know I am watching the very best team 82+ games a year. Sucks the team doesn't get paid off with a Cup but I can't get upset at my team because some other team played over their heads for a couple of games and knocked me out. Hey Buffalo was leading the division after 8 or 9 games, given time reality sets in.
 
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