Martin Skoula
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Player Discussion Auston Matthews (Captain Edition)
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The problem is that none of this stuff matters come playoff time, not only that but Matthews has glaring flaws that go beyond just his play:
1.He is a monotone passionless guy, not only that but in his first season he threw his teammates under the bus, he could've clarified that he too was a passenger, he didn't because he didn't feel that way (he didn't think of himself as a passenger), even though objectively speaking during his Leaf career he has been passenger like in way too many playoff games, see:
Is 0 goals/3 points in 7 game 7s passenger like?
2.The injuries concern is a pretty big one, this is two playoffs in a row he is injured, he has been injured a good deal in seasons before and he is only getting older
3.The greed factor of the guy is very high, not only does he want max dollars, but he also wants minimum term, how can anybody think this guy is a leader? Leaders take less OR leaders win and THEN get paid, Matthews has skipped both, he doesn't take less, not only does he take max, but he takes the minimum term too (new greed level unlocked) and he had zero runs to speak of even
4.Past comparisons don't work:
Matthews has 26 goals in 68 playoff games, Ovechkin at this point was coming off of his worst playoffs (1g/1a in 7gp), he still had 31 goals in 59 playoff games and he was playing with lesser talent, during his career Ovechkin played with 2 borderline HOF guys (Carlson, Backstrom), Matthews played with 2 guys that are basically locks (Marner/Tavares) and one guy who is nearing borderline status himself (Nylander)
Yzerman before he won a cup had 39 goals in 93 playoff games (a higher gpg) AND he only won because the team basically added the best defenseman ever and Shanahan, Toronto is not adding Makar and Tkachuk
5.Maybe the most concerning is that he literally has 0 big playoff games, he's not putting up volume 3 point games (4/68), he has zero hat tricks (he averages one every 48gp in the season), he doesn't have a 2/2 game, he has zero 4 point games, he choked when he was in Switzerland, he failed during the 4NF when he could've been the hero, maybe he's just not him? He's not a dawg like that.
Isn't it possible that a very talented athlete from Arizona just isn't dying to win a cup like that? It sure would make the greed, lack of fight, playoff failures make a lot more sense. All the evidence is against him AND Craig Berube won with way less in St Louis (Tarasenko/O Rielly who were both great but not even close to Matthews overall).
At this point there is nothing wrong with a exploring a trade; he had nearly a decade, he has never won anything, not at WJ, not at 4NF and not in the NHL, he has only choked, his team has always had a ton of talent and they've never done anything with it, he is greedy, he's not leader material, he's not like other past "chokers," he didn't grow up in a place where winning a cup matters that much, he has o big playoff games/moments and above all, somebody might overpay for him and he could be open to a trade himself.
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Matthews lost to Korpisalo/Merzlikins.
The guy is a prick. Could have sat out 4 months THIS season and been ready for the playoffs. Yet, there are people who are defending him.
Tak7
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He was also shut down by Hall of Famers Shane Pinto, Ridley Greig, Michael Amadio, Loustarainen, and Anton Lundell.
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How do you know? Ekblad got 20 games for taking something to help with injury recovery. If it’s a back problem like the Germany trip implies, there’s probably going to be grey area pharmaceuticals involved that are better taken in the offseason with time to get them out of your system than gambling on whoever the NHL decides to ding every couple years.
Tak7
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Strange read of the entire situation.
The big concern everyone should have - the Matthews injury doesn't appear to be something that gets better with rest, otherwise they would have sat him more.
Seems pretty clear that their focus is solely on rehabbing it, and leaving surgery as the very last case scenario.
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Disc problems usually involve rehab with steroid treatments, surgery is risky and potentially career ending if it gets to the point where fusing them is the only remaining option. Going to Germany doesn’t make much sense other than for back treatment that’s harder to get here, probably the stem cell treatment a few people here mentioned getting earlier.
Tak7
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Could be right.
There's 0 value in speculating at this point though - we aren't going to get any clarify from them.
I would just take his "I'll be 100% for next year" comment with a grain of salt.
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A back injury has been speculated alot.
I wonder if this play against DET was what started it.
Doug Maclean was on The Fan590 today. He said it perfectly:
"McDavid wants to be on the cover of Stanley Cup Magazine. Matthews wants to be on the cover of GQ".
The rest of the on-air crew broke out in laughter. Because it was totally on point.
There was a time when he was being compared to McDavid but those days are long gone now. They aren't even in the same sentence anymore. One wants to win the cup, the other can't wait for the weekend.
Everyone is on to the Matthews thing. There's no one left who thinks he's going to lead this team anywhere. 9 or 10 years has been far more than enough of a sample size on him. You can't make someone into something they're not. He's just simply not a warrior or a leader of any sort. Can't really blame someone for not being someone they aren't. So it's time for MLSE to see things for what they simply are.
Leafs organization gotta take the plunge and pull off a blockbuster trade here. Do it now while they can get a huge return for him. Don't wait for another Marner 2.0 situation to happen. Otherwise they're just spinning their tires for another 3 or 4 years until his contract is up
"McDavid wants to be on the cover of Stanley Cup Magazine. Matthews wants to be on the cover of GQ".
The rest of the on-air crew broke out in laughter. Because it was totally on point.
There was a time when he was being compared to McDavid but those days are long gone now. They aren't even in the same sentence anymore. One wants to win the cup, the other can't wait for the weekend.
Everyone is on to the Matthews thing. There's no one left who thinks he's going to lead this team anywhere. 9 or 10 years has been far more than enough of a sample size on him. You can't make someone into something they're not. He's just simply not a warrior or a leader of any sort. Can't really blame someone for not being someone they aren't. So it's time for MLSE to see things for what they simply are.
Leafs organization gotta take the plunge and pull off a blockbuster trade here. Do it now while they can get a huge return for him. Don't wait for another Marner 2.0 situation to happen. Otherwise they're just spinning their tires for another 3 or 4 years until his contract is up
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Stephen
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Which could theoretically burn more reasons on this four year contract of his.
The thing that annoys me so much is the mystery and chatter about this injury. It’s a rest and rehab injury that doesn’t get worse with wear and tear, but will cause drops in productivity and require maintenance days off. But we’re not really going to rest. What doesn’t get worse with wear and tear on a body with repeat strain? When it’s already damaged?
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77 goals and 70 assists for 147 points in 161 games.
Those are better numbers then Matthews.
@Roo Class dismissed my friend. Lol.The problem is that none of this stuff matters come playoff time, not only that but Matthews has glaring flaws that go beyond just his play:
1.He is a monotone passionless guy, not only that but in his first season he threw his teammates under the bus, he could've clarified that he too was a passenger, he didn't because he didn't feel that way (he didn't think of himself as a passenger), even though objectively speaking during his Leaf career he has been passenger like in way too many playoff games, see:
Is 0 goals/3 points in 7 game 7s passenger like?
2.The injuries concern is a pretty big one, this is two playoffs in a row he is injured, he has been injured a good deal in seasons before and he is only getting older
3.The greed factor of the guy is very high, not only does he want max dollars, but he also wants minimum term, how can anybody think this guy is a leader? Leaders take less OR leaders win and THEN get paid, Matthews has skipped both, he doesn't take less, not only does he take max, but he takes the minimum term too (new greed level unlocked) and he had zero runs to speak of even
4.Past comparisons don't work:
Matthews has 26 goals in 68 playoff games, Ovechkin at this point was coming off of his worst playoffs (1g/1a in 7gp), he still had 31 goals in 59 playoff games and he was playing with lesser talent, during his career Ovechkin played with 2 borderline HOF guys (Carlson, Backstrom), Matthews played with 2 guys that are basically locks (Marner/Tavares) and one guy who is nearing borderline status himself (Nylander)
Yzerman before he won a cup had 39 goals in 93 playoff games (a higher gpg) AND he only won because the team basically added the best defenseman ever and Shanahan, Toronto is not adding Makar and Tkachuk
5.Maybe the most concerning is that he literally has 0 big playoff games, he's not putting up volume 3 point games (4/68), he has zero hat tricks (he averages one every 48gp in the season), he doesn't have a 2/2 game, he has zero 4 point games, he choked when he was in Switzerland, he failed during the 4NF when he could've been the hero, maybe he's just not him? He's not a dawg like that.
Isn't it possible that a very talented athlete from Arizona just isn't dying to win a cup like that? It sure would make the greed, lack of fight, playoff failures make a lot more sense. All the evidence is against him AND Craig Berube won with way less in St Louis (Tarasenko/O Rielly who were both great but not even close to Matthews overall).
At this point there is nothing wrong with a exploring a trade; he had nearly a decade, he has never won anything, not at WJ, not at 4NF and not in the NHL, he has only choked, his team has always had a ton of talent and they've never done anything with it, he is greedy, he's not leader material, he's not like other past "chokers," he didn't grow up in a place where winning a cup matters that much, he has o big playoff games/moments and above all, somebody might overpay for him and he could be open to a trade himself.
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Why does anyone want to trade a 3 time rocket winner is beyond me. Because Mitch Marner? Willy? Lol
Let it go the trade Matthews and Nylander crowd is like 50 people in Leafs Nation that went to school with Mitch.
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It’s more about his personality and whether he’s enjoyable to watch every game. He’s growing into an unlikeable player and it’s a great summer to move him.
Marner has finished with more points 5 out of the 9 seasons they've been in the nhl.
Marner has more career playoffs points than matthews.
Marner has never had a season as bad as matthews worst. His lows are low.
Matthews is the highest paid player in the nhl on one of the shortest contracts. The guy is literally the opposite of a team player.
Even before the nhl, matthews has never been a big game player. He was also never made captain of any of his junior teams.
The only thing matthews has going for him is that the media constantly goes to bat for him and makes endless excuses which people like you drink up non stop.
Matthews needs to go first.
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Not a great Captain. Agreed
3x Rocket winner trumps points totals on secondary assists and pp points.
Legit injured. Teams didn't give up on Stamkos or Crosby etc. They work through it.
Marner is a big game no show. He is actually the big game so blows, Leaf.
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There's no honour losing to Florida, let's make that clear. Matthews could have broken through any time with a goal in Game 3 and we would have been up in the series 3-0.
Paul, Mitch doesn't even wanna stay, he had his chance to sign, he didn't because of whatever advice you and his agent gave him.
Enjoy your summer and the 100+ million Mitch is about to get
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For the people that are against trading Matthews what kind of offer would you want to see that could change your mind?
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Doesn't really work like that.
The party that isn't interested in making a move doesn't have the responsibility of dreaming up an offer they can't refuse.
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