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Player Discussion Auston Matthews (Captain Edition)

BraveCanadian said:
Meh, Sundin always left me wanting as a Leaf. Their best run was when he was hurt and Roberts and McCauley of all people went beast mode. He sure looked good for Sweden though.

So far Matthews is even worse. Underachieving compared to his talent by a massive degree.
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Sundin gets underrated imo. Yes he missed most of ‘02 but he was there for the ‘99 run. It was only one game shorter than ‘02 and Sundin outdueled Jagr in round 2, no small feat.

Arguably Sundin’s best performance was ‘01. He was really on one that postseason and was scoring like mad against New Jersey in round 2 after they swept Ottawa. 4 goals and 5 assists for 9 points in 7 games against the reigning Cup Champs is great. Unfortunately the Leafs lack of depth and talent cost them against a much deeper Devils team. Not to mention Tie’s stupid elbowing of Niedermayer that galvanized New Jersey. If they could’ve got past them who knows what heights Mats would’ve reached.

If he had the talent up front like Matthews does who knows what could’ve been. The closest Sundin got to having as many elite offensive players as Auston was ‘04 when we had Mogilny, Nieuwendyk, Nolan, and Roberts, who were all old and injury prone by then.
 
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ACC1224 said:
He's the face of US hockey.
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The TV networks tried marketing him over the years but I’ve noticed they’ve tempered some in the past couple since he hasn’t met expectations. He’s still a prominent figure but the brothers Hughes and Tkachuk, McAvoy and Eichel are right there.

Im surprised Eichel didn’t get the C after I saw this roster announcement marketing flyer.

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BraveCanadian said:
Around here we call that the “Sundin”
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You guys did not deserve him

Nineteen67 said:
The TV networks tried marketing him over the years but I’ve noticed they’ve tempered some in the past couple since he hasn’t met expectations. He’s still a prominent figure but the brothers Hughes and Tkachuk, McAvoy and Eichel are right there.

Im surprised Eichel didn’t get the C after I saw this roster announcement marketing flyer.

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Eichel’s a trumper, maybe that’s too hard to sell. Who am I kidding, it’s hockey, of course it isn’t
 
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mjd1001 said:
He may be the least likeable star in the league, and the least likeably Leaf's captain in my memory.

Nothing there to really hate, he is a great player, But nothing really draws me (and apparently a lot of other fans) to him other than his pure stats and numbers.
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I just find him extremely frustrating to watch as a player because you want to see him up there with the top five players in the game year after year and take those steps to be a championship winning franchise player… But he’s not keeping up on any category other than goal scoring and seems to bring such a complacent culture… and right now we have a point a game player making the most money in the game without a care in the world.
 
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He has never elevated his game in the playoffs , that Athletic survey they did for Leaf players pretty much confirms him being named Captain was a marketing play.
 
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Jimmy Firecracker said:
Sundin gets underrated imo. Yes he missed most of ‘02 but he was there for the ‘99 run. It was only one game shorter than ‘02 and Sundin outdueled Jagr in round 2, no small feat.

Arguably Sundin’s best performance was ‘01. He was really on one that postseason and was scoring like mad against New Jersey in round 2 after they swept Ottawa. 4 goals and 5 assists for 9 points in 7 games against the reigning Cup Champs is great. Unfortunately the Leafs lack of depth and talent cost them against a much deeper Devils team. Not to mention Tie’s stupid elbowing of Niedermayer that galvanized New Jersey. If they could’ve got past them who knows what heights Mats would’ve reached.

If he had the talent up front like Matthews does who knows what could’ve been. The closest Sundin got to having as many elite offensive players as Auston was ‘04 when we had Mogilny, Nieuwendyk, Nolan, and Roberts, who were all old and injury prone by then.
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Sundin and the Leafs of that era also didn’t start out with the potential to be best in era, loaded core group all together to start their career either.
 
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Nice to see Matthews get the captaincy. Excited to see him in the tournament.
mjd1001 said:
I didn't say there aren't some fans that don't love him. I'm saying on this message board, there are a LOT of fans who like him a lot less than what you would think someone with his production would get.
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Most fans out there in the world love him. This board just gets really toxic.
 
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WTFMAN99 said:
They made it to the final 4 twice with Quinn, he scored that big goal to force overtime, unfortunately didn't take it.

Also kept kicking Ottawa's ass...routinely won a round which was nice...the Matthews era's Cup is that round 1 win vs Tampa, only to get stomped by Florida.
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Sundin was pretty damn good in the 99 run, and he was really the only forward who provided any offense against Buffalo.
 
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Guided by Veseys said:
Hopefully that tournament fires him up. He’s an absolute monster when he is dialed in.
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He doesn’t stay dialed in long enough. He was flying around for a few shifts going for 70 and we’ve seen spurts in few games in the playoffs over the years, but for a large portions ( playoffs) he’s just there.

I hope he gets a second or third place ribbon in the 4Nations.
 
Stephen said:
I just find him extremely frustrating to watch as a player because you want to see him up there with the top five players in the game year after year and take those steps to be a championship winning franchise player… But he’s not keeping up on any category other than goal scoring and seems to bring such a complacent culture… and right now we have a point a game player making the most money in the game without a care in the world.
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I think Austin’s happy collecting his 14 mil annually and not being the best player in the league, although I think he has the talent to be right up there with McJesus, McKinnon and company………
 
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9M and then 9.5M jump in the salary cap leading to Austonflation becoming a UFA. And folks will still tell you that he's not getting more than McDavid again on his next contract. :laugh:
 
Tie Domi Esquire said:


9M and then 9.5M jump in the salary cap leading to Austonflation becoming a UFA. And folks will still tell you that he's not getting more than McDavid again on his next contract. :laugh:
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He would pretty much need to score 60+ for the next 3 years to even attempt to ask.

If this is true then there will be a lot of players north of 12 million in 4 years.

88- 113 is substantial. Can't wait to see how the Leafs mismanage this new pot of gold
 
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Jojalu said:
He would pretty much need to score 60+ for the next 3 years to even attempt to ask.

If this is true then there will be a lot of players north of 12 million in 4 years.

88- 113 is substantial. Can't wait to see how the Leafs mismanage this new pot of gold
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Jojalu said:
He would pretty much need to score 60+ for the next 3 years to even attempt to ask.

If this is true then there will be a lot of players north of 12 million in 4 years.

88- 113 is substantial. Can't wait to see how the Leafs mismanage this new pot of gold
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Not true.

From the start of Matthews 2nd contract to the day he signed (1 year before expiry).

McDavid:
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Matthews:
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Matthews' Regular Season vs McDavid (2020-2023)
-4.61% games played
+7.42% goals
-50.83% assists
-29.5% points

Matthews' Playoffs vs McDavid (2020-2023)
-16.67% games played
-50% goals
-54.77% assists
-53.04% points

He asked and received more money than McDavid for this. It's worth noting that this includes the only time Matthews went to the second round and excludes McDavid's dominant Cup Final run from last year. :help:

tl;dr He can, and he will
 

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Tie Domi Esquire said:
Not true.

From the start of Matthews 2nd contract to the day he signed (1 year before expiry).

McDavid:
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Matthews:
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Matthews' Regular Season vs McDavid (2020-2023)
-4.61% games played
+7.42% goals
-50.83% assists
-29.5% points

Matthews' Playoffs vs McDavid (2020-2023)
-16.67% games played
-50% goals
-54.77% assists
-53.04% points

He asked and received more money than McDavid for this. It's worth noting that this includes the only time Matthews went to the second round and excludes McDavid's dominant Cup Final run from last year. :help:

tl;dr He can, and he will
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A rising cap is always going to have players leapfrogging each other.

In every sport, including hockey it is rarely the best player who gets paid the most. It's who in the top 10 signed most recently.

I don't believe Matthews will ask for more than McDavid next time. Unless he wins a Cup and/or scores 60+ for the next 3 years.

I do believe he signs for 14+ if the cap rises 25 million over that time.
 
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