1. The core 4 forwards are the only remaining forwards since JT was signed and that 5 yrs ago.
2. As of this moment, the core 4 forwards are the only 4 forwards under contract from last season Opening Night Roster
How can it not be about those 4?
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2. As of this moment, the core 4 forwards are the only 4 forwards under contract from last season Opening Night Roster
How can it not be about those 4?
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You usually give 8yrs to bring the AAV down because you know the player will drop off in production. If AM wants to risk that by taking a shorter deal...I am all for it (4-5yrs) and then let him go fishing. The part I don't get is where people think AM is stuck here for 8yrs if he signs and the team isn't going in a direction that pleases him. All he has to do is request a trade....that's it and he can get out of here. So this stuff about waiting to see what vision the GM has etc is just bunk IMO.
Bruce Arthur: Will Shane Doan convince Auston Matthews that less is more in Toronto?
Some of the game’s biggest stars have but the team first and taken less in contract talks.
www.thestar.com
So of course Doan was asked, what about that Auston Matthews contract?
“He has that right as a player to go through that (process),” said Doan, “and I think every single organization does that when they have an elite player. It’s no different with him. I’ll be involved in helping Brad and helping the organization in any way possible, and if I can help in that area, I’ll help. But at the same time, that’ll be his decision, and I’m excited about the opportunity to work with him for the next little bit.”
Really, the idea here should be simple. Doan should use his relationship with Matthews to tell him he needs to take less money than he could. I have always been a proponent of players getting every dollar they can, because careers can be short and the game demands a lot. I still believe that. Players negotiate what they can and, yes, the cap is projected to rise, and that needs to be taken into account.
But this is just how hockey works. Sidney Crosby took less than he could have. Connor McDavid took less. David Pastrnak took less. Nathan MacKinnon, when it was time to become the highest-paid player in hockey, surpassed McDavid by a whole $100,000 (U.S) per year. And before that, by any measure of performance, MacKinnon had been underpaid.
Matthews and Mitch Marner and William Nylander and John Tavares were all well within their rights to negotiate the deals they did. And had they performed better in the most critical moments, maybe this would all be easier, right?
Except they haven’t, and if they really do want to stay here — and the signals have been stasis in the core four rather than tumultuous change — the next contracts need to be more tilted toward the organization. Every one of the core four, who will remain both the focus and the weight of the organization until further notice, said at the end of the season that they want to stay here, and they want to win here. Tavares and Marner are local guys, and they seem especially dedicated to staying. And there is something to that: the pressure of being a Leaf is a real thing.
But now is the time for tough truth-telling, and if Shane Doan has a relationship with Matthews, and is comfortable being straight with players, then this has to be a part of his contribution. He should tell Matthews (and Nylander, who is also up in a year) that the NHL Players’ Association has lost so many times that the best players have to sacrifice money to give their teams a better chance to win, even if some of their teams are run by incompetent boobs. He should say that Dubas was pretty good at finding low-cost fill-ins around his core, and it’s far from clear that Treliving will be able to do the same. He should say Toronto provides lots of opportunities for more money that you don’t get in, say, Arizona, and that if you actually win big here you’re a legend forever.
The core four say they want to win here, to be part of a team, to sacrifice for their teammates, to prove everyone wrong. Guys, there’s an easy way to start.
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usernamezrhardtodo
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Maybe Dreger will start calling them the Fantastic 4 or something to just change things up a bit.
When McDavid signed his $12.5M deal, it was 15.7% of the cap for the year it took effect (2018-19 -- cap was $79.5M).
If the talk of the cap going to $92M in 2024-25 is correct, a Matthews deal at $13.5 would only be 14.7% of the cap for the year it takes effect.
If the talk of the cap going to $92M in 2024-25 is correct, a Matthews deal at $13.5 would only be 14.7% of the cap for the year it takes effect.
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I agree with it if it drops the AAV a meaningful amount, like more than 1.5 at the very least. The risk of 8 years isn’t that AM is going to be stuck here against his will but that a 4x13 or whatever contract is near impossible to trade without taking dead money back and taking a massive haircut on the value returned. Again, with the Karlsson example, it’s not the 11.5 that’s hurting his value and trade viability, it’s that there’s 4 years left on it and nobody is going to retain 6.25 for 4 years. If he had 11.5 x 1 or 2 years remaining SJ would have an embarrassment of riches for him already.
They are certainly invisible in the playoffs, lol.
But what if it won’t go up to 92mil?
Also McD signed his deal, I think it was too much at that time mainly bc it is about 20% more than the highest contract, Ofcourse he proved that he is 20% better than anyone else in the league.
What’s make AM think he is worth 13.5mil? Mack signed last summer at 12.75mil and Pastna signed a few months ago at 11.5mil or so.
Then trade himMarner already makes more than that right now, you think he's taking less in his next contract
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Bruce Arthur: Will Shane Doan convince Auston Matthews that less is more in Toronto?
Some of the game’s biggest stars have but the team first and taken less in contract talks.
So of course Doan was asked, what about that Auston Matthews contract?
“He has that right as a player to go through that (process),” said Doan, “and I think every single organization does that when they have an elite player. It’s no different with him. I’ll be involved in helping Brad and helping the organization in any way possible, and if I can help in that area, I’ll help. But at the same time, that’ll be his decision, and I’m excited about the opportunity to work with him for the next little bit.”
Really, the idea here should be simple. Doan should use his relationship with Matthews to tell him he needs to take less money than he could. I have always been a proponent of players getting every dollar they can, because careers can be short and the game demands a lot. I still believe that. Players negotiate what they can and, yes, the cap is projected to rise, and that needs to be taken into account.
But this is just how hockey works. Sidney Crosby took less than he could have. Connor McDavid took less. David Pastrnak took less. Nathan MacKinnon, when it was time to become the highest-paid player in hockey, surpassed McDavid by a whole $100,000 (U.S) per year. And before that, by any measure of performance, MacKinnon had been underpaid.
Matthews and Mitch Marner and William Nylander and John Tavares were all well within their rights to negotiate the deals they did. And had they performed better in the most critical moments, maybe this would all be easier, right?
Except they haven’t, and if they really do want to stay here — and the signals have been stasis in the core four rather than tumultuous change — the next contracts need to be more tilted toward the organization. Every one of the core four, who will remain both the focus and the weight of the organization until further notice, said at the end of the season that they want to stay here, and they want to win here. Tavares and Marner are local guys, and they seem especially dedicated to staying. And there is something to that: the pressure of being a Leaf is a real thing.
But now is the time for tough truth-telling, and if Shane Doan has a relationship with Matthews, and is comfortable being straight with players, then this has to be a part of his contribution. He should tell Matthews (and Nylander, who is also up in a year) that the NHL Players’ Association has lost so many times that the best players have to sacrifice money to give their teams a better chance to win, even if some of their teams are run by incompetent boobs. He should say that Dubas was pretty good at finding low-cost fill-ins around his core, and it’s far from clear that Treliving will be able to do the same. He should say Toronto provides lots of opportunities for more money that you don’t get in, say, Arizona, and that if you actually win big here you’re a legend forever.
The core four say they want to win here, to be part of a team, to sacrifice for their teammates, to prove everyone wrong. Guys, there’s an easy way to start.
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I think betting on a 9% cap increase in this economy is unwise. I'd be far more conservative. I'd budget for half that personally.
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What are you actually talking about?
Every single member of our current bottom 6 was either signed as a UFA or acquired in a trade. Even if Matthews and co were paid 1$ each, why would that extra money go to the existing bottom 6 players? Are we going to spend it to go back in time and force St Louis to pay Acciari more? Or Kampf’s agent is going to tell us “we agree to sign for 1.5” and Tre is going to tell him “no, 3 per or get the hell out of my office”.
If we had extra money, half the current bottom 6 players wouldn’t be here because we’d spend it on better players that push them further down/out of the lineup. Some of them would be out of an NHL job or stuck in a PTO on another team. The only players that have an argument for being “squeezed” for money are Sandin, Liljegren, and any other RFAs that can’t go on the open market. Last time we paid RFAs more money everyone started crying.
We’re not going to pay Bunting his 5 mil ask because he’s not worth it and you can get a better player for that money, not because we cant afford to do that. People complain about the country club atmosphere but now all of a sudden we need to pay our bottom 6ers more than they’re worth through their 30s so we don’t hurt their feelings that their linemates move on in FA sometimes lol.
So in other words we won't be getting screwed more this time around like many are trying to claim
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It speaks to a lack of respect for a company that contracted him to be a spokesman for them and undoubtedly to represent them at aome publicity heavy bank functions.
They're paying him a lot of bread if he doesn't want it maybe they can instead give it to ROR whom btw was asked to attend, showed up early with a smile on his face did 3 radio hits, signed autographs mixed with the pros joked around with the mucky mucks and generally had a great time.
BTW they did ask him his plans as far as next season goes and he answered the normal way, more than that though I watched him swing a few and Ryan looks like a guy who has a 12 or higher handicap. He didn't seem to shy about the level of his game.
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didn't the cap sky rocket during the 08 financial meltdown?
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It did. One year of plateau, and then went right back to multi million raises per year. We only saw stoppage of that for a while due to the unique situation of the pandemic which shut out gate revenue 100%
Oops. I got it wrong. Apparently, the estimate for 2024-25 is $87.5M. The estimate for 2025-26 is $92M.
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I guess that depends if you think he is close to being the best player in the league
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So what. That’s all part and parcel with making the big bucks and being a star. He shouldn’t hide in the sand
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D we really want him for 8 years with his wonky wrists. If we have not won with him in the next 5 year we probably are not going to win with this group
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Do you believe the cap will go to 92m in a year. I bet it doesn’t get to the 88 million they projected.
I’m not 100% sure. But I think they now think it will be 92 2 years from now.
Bettman said that the HRR was about 6 billion this year.
If so. The players get 50%. So 3 billion divided up
Is 93,750,000
if HRR is 5.8 billion it’s a 90 million cap
If HRR is 5.6 billion it’s a 87.5 million cap.
They must have been looking at next year making 5.6 billion. So it looks like They are over shooting their projections by like. 400 million.
I honestly think it will be 13.4 x like 4-5. He can break the all time leafs goal record. Then decide.
We just don’t let him walk for free and I don’t care. Heck he may get injured and we are happy not to be paying
his money.
Option A: pay him until he is 34…. And then get some higher contract when he is 35. Like letang/malkin/marleau negotiating on a higher cap.
Option b: a short term deal until he is 31….then maybe pay him a lower salary during his later years.
Or take his whole prime and trade him
IF he did a 4 year 13.4 million deal we would have got him for
12.4x 9. Which would have been about 15% of the cap overall which is fair.
Bettman said they were close to 6 billion this year So it would be 93.75 next year if the players paid it off.
They don’t have a choice. I don’t see why the players don’t agree to pay the 50 million out of their war chest
Make the cap go up and pay it back.
Pay 50 million you owe to get a 320 million return seems pretty straight forward
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We know what he says but they've been projecting a large increase for years. There were times when teams didn’t know the next season cap around this time of the year.
Matthews should be fair and extend his current deal three years to see how it goes. Or give a list.
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