News Article: Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets

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Good points but keep in mind all the negatives of Matthews were said about Yzerman too, he ended up becoming on the the best captains.
The difference is Yzerman didn't play in a hard cap league. Would he have been considered one of the best captains if his insistency of making top dollar prohibited the Wings from keeping or acquiring players like Fedorov, Lidstrom, Konstantinov, Maltby, Shanahan, McCarty, etc.?

There was no cap then and the Wings were big spenders. Yzerman did his part for sure, but only after he was surrounded by other elite players, a deep supporting cast, and the right amount of high in character foot soldiers.

If there was no hard cap, I wouldn't care if the Leafs paid Matthews 20 mil a year for life.
 
Man, this was my gut reaction for a few years as well, but I think there's a ton of gray area with Matthews tbh.

Let's curb the actual dollars and cents for a moment and look at Matthews the person and player. Is he truly the iconic cornerstone type that winning organizations hitch their wagon to if they want to win something significant? Or is he more sizzle than steak like a Thornton, Tavares, Giroux, or Huberdeau? I'm trying to look at this in a very unbiased, objective way.

The good with Auston Matthews:
- He has shown to be an elite goal scorer over the years
- He won a Calder, 2 Rockets, and a Hart, which is impressive
- He is a big bodied, legit no.1 centerman
- He hasn't been a headache off the ice and seems like a great kid and role model
- He has marquee value, sells tickets, and draws fans
- His lethal shot means the Leafs usually are in most games because he can break a game open
- He is an original Leafs pick
- The fans and media love him, almost to the point where he's above criticism

The bad with Auston Matthews:
- He is coming off a down year and more injuries
- He has once again disappointed in the playoffs
- His career playoff PPG dips from 1.14 to 0.88 and his goals p82 dip from 52 to 38
- Outside of 2021-22, he hasn't consistently shown the same fire and hustle as he did early on
- He is currently overpaid for his contributions to the team, especially the post season
- He is likely going to demand above league max on his next deal which will prohibit the Leafs
- History tells us his priorities place his personal contracts above team success
- We have a 7 year sample size of him not being able to elevate his game in the playoffs
- He is not a fan of confrontation or battling in the grimy areas on the ice
- He doesn't appear to be a dedicated freak like Crosby or MacKinnon who hate losing
- His demeanor comes off as very spoiled and entitled (but this is just my perception)

Unlike some of the other megastars in the game, I think Matthews has his share of warts that have a cascading effect throughout the entire organization. The biggest wart appears to be his prioritization of draining max money from the Leafs on his terms. And that tells me that, at his core, he is not a team player who cares about team success. It's all about him. He also seems very content with losing in the playoffs, which is a horrible sign.

Yes, he is a gifted talent. Yes, we are certainly a better team with Matthews than without him. Yes, he still has a chance to reset the culture, leave money on the table for the betterment of the team, and lead by example. But there is a price and a breaking point the Leafs need to consider. Matthews simply isn't McDavid, MacKinnon, let alone Gretzky, Lemieux, etc. There comes a point where the Leafs need to put their foot down and say, "No, Auston, we can no longer simply give people everything they ask for and hope to win a Stanley Cup." This is a fact.

I think your proposed 13.4 x 6 is a hair short of where they will ultimately end (13.75 x 3) and I'm being completely honest now that I believe it will be a mistake because it solidifies to me that Matthews doesn't care about winning a Cup. Which means we're going to relive more of the same, year after year, perhaps worse if we need to cut other impact players for financial reasons.

I really wish Matthews would take this opportunity to step up, lead this club, and agree to a 12.6 x 6 year deal that sets the tone for Marner, Nylander, and others. It's less about the actual "amount" than it is about leading by example and resetting the culture by showing the world you want to remain a Leaf and be a big part of the solution.
Good points
Unless he asks for insane money keep him and move MM. To me he personifies entitlement, immaturity and lack of accountability
 
Do players around the league pay attention to signings?

If you're a center do you look at the Leafs shoping with 12mm in hand for a center if Matthews walks?

Likely Aho/Petterssen signs in July anyway, but ...
 
Do players around the league pay attention to signings?

If you're a center do you look at the Leafs shoping with 12mm in hand for a center if Matthews walks?

Likely Aho/Petterssen signs in July anyway, but ...
Agents sure do. If Matthews walks or is traded, player agents will be drooling.
 
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I don't really see a correlation between Yzerman and Matthews. Yzerman was a guy that didn't play defense early in his career. Matthews is already a very good defensive player. It's his wrist shot that is the concern for me. He seems to be losing it. And if he loses his wrist shot, he's still a 40 goal solid defensive center, not worth the money of a Hart trophy guy though.


Been a while but wasn't Yzerman an elite skater?
 
His play will fall off faster than the cap rises lol. 12.5+ is going to be elite top 10 money throughout the entirety of the 8 year term, 35 year old Matthews will not bring 12.5 worth of value even adjusting for the cap increase. Kane and Towes signed 8 year deals at the same age Matthews is eligible to, they had the #10 cap hit last season, neither is a top-100 player at this point.

You basically just want to sign him for longer out of principle because it’ll make you feel better emotionally even though it actively hurts the team lol. If Chicago signed Kane and Towes to ~5 year deals, we’d probably see them getting the biggest deadline haul in history selling a 32 year old Kane putting up a 92 point season and Towes still being a 60 point 2C. Instead they delayed the rebuild for no reason and got a grand total of a 2nd round pick for the two of them.

We’re not winning shit with a 35 year old Matthews. If we win 8 years from now, it’s because someone else will have emerged as the main piece on the team. 4-5 years of competing with Matthews at whatever his price ends up being and selling him for a haul while he’s still close to his prime if we don’t win makes more sense than paying a 35 year old with chronic injury issues a top-10 salary just so you can feel better about making him take one for the team or whatever.

We aren't winning **** with him getting massive money on medium to short term

We've tried that genius so if you're as unemotional as you say you are he should be traded now because if he's going to break down like you say he is there's no way in hell he's going to be worth as much in a trade 5 years from now

Do all you people have short term memory loss? Have you not watched the last 5 years? Does that look like winning to any of you?
 
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We aren't winning **** with him getting massive money on medium to short term

We've tried that genius so if you're as unemotional as you say you are he should be traded now because if he's going to break down like you say he is there's no way in hell he's going to be worth as much in a trade 5 years from now

Do all you people have short term memory loss? Have you not watched the last 5 years? Does that look like winning to any of you?

It's hard to go beyond what he's making now even and then some people are talking 12.8-13.5M or even 15M...it's not a smart move.

McDavid at 12.5M and MacKinnon at 12.6M and they're better skaters...Matthews maybe with chronic wrist issues too.
 
Do players around the league pay attention to signings?

If you're a center do you look at the Leafs shoping with 12mm in hand for a center if Matthews walks?

Likely Aho/Petterssen signs in July anyway, but ...

Seems like every comparable for Mitch Marner looked at what happened to him in Toronto and decided to do a team and PR friendly contract instead. They didn’t wring out every last cent and had a much more comfortable time in their markets.

I think Matthews should sign July 1st or ad early as possible. The PR win in committing first possible day would provide such a smokescreen for whatever advantage he got from Toronto. Drawing it out all summer, getting the bad media coverage just to get the same basic deal is not worth the trouble IMO.
 
It's hard to go beyond what he's making now even and then some people are talking 12.8-13.5M or even 15M...it's not a smart move.

McDavid at 12.5M and MacKinnon at 12.6M and they're better skaters...Matthews maybe with chronic wrist issues too.

The best bit is people talking 13.5M+ over 3 to 5 years of term like we can win with ridiculous overpays like that and he's not going to come at us again for another bite at the cherry in his late 20's early 30's

This core has done nothing being treated and paid like this and it's time to stop

Either he signs something fair or he should be traded, I'd rather tank than do what we've been doing the last half decade getting absolutely nowhere
 
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The best bit is people talking 13.5M+ over 3 to 5 years of term like we can win with ridiculous overpays like that and he's not going to come at us again for another bite at the cherry in his late 20's early 30's

This core has done nothing being treated and paid like this and it's time to stop

Either he signs something fair or he should be traded, I'd rather tank than do what we've been doing the last half decade getting absolutely nowhere

I think you lock up Matthews to a 6 year deal giving him a 7 year runway, while slowly divesting yourself of Tavares, and maybe Marner and Nylander over time. You have a big dog at the top but you unlock that money for an expanded 5-6 player core as things evolve.
 
The best bit is people talking 13.5M+ over 3 to 5 years of term like we can win with ridiculous overpays like that and he's not going to come at us again for another bite at the cherry in his late 20's early 30's

This core has done nothing being treated and paid like this and it's time to stop

Either he signs something fair or he should be traded, I'd rather tank than do what we've been doing the last half decade getting absolutely nowhere

Yea, if there's a chance with Fantilli at 2nd overall...it's a deal I explore. The core seems sour to me.
 
I think you lock up Matthews to a 6 year deal giving him a 7 year runway, while slowly divesting yourself of Tavares, and maybe Marner and Nylander over time. You have a big dog at the top but you unlock that money for an expanded 5-6 player core as things evolve.

I doubt he's going to give us 6 years, 5 at best I'd imagine

Yea, if there's a chance with Fantilli at 2nd overall...it's a deal I explore. The core seems sour to me.

Excellent young player but I don't think Anaheim is going to trade for Matthews

This is dumb. There is no way Matthews signs a 3 year deal. It's way too risky if he gets injured.

If he gets 13M+ for 3 years he can have another go at 8 years as a 29 year old

If his wrist isn't going to be a long term problem another 80+ million on top of the almost 100M he'd have already made looks pretty bloody attractive if I'm being honest
 
This is dumb. There is no way Matthews signs a 3 year deal. It's way too risky if he gets injured.
It's not if he believes the cap is going to rise significantly in 3 years and he can demand 15+ a year then. Colby Armstrong was on with Kyper and said he believes Matthews won't settle for anything less than 13.5 or 14 mil on a 3 year deal. He will once again want the shortest term possible.
 
He's basically ranked as a top 30 playoff performer (19th goals per 60 and 42 pts/60), this is hardly some game breaking talent come playoff time.

Now I guess his play is "fine," but the only problem is that we're paying him as a top 4 player and now he wants to be #1.

Tell me why losing the 30th best playoff performer who wants to be the highest paid in the league is some great tragedy?

That's only including offensive play though, he's better defensively than most high scoring forwards. I agree though he doesn't need to be the highest paid player in the league but he absolutely will be for a short period of time atleast.
 
So he risks $68.75M to get $7.5M more. No way.
Then by your rationale, why didn't he campaign for a long-term deal before? And why do you suspect he won't ask for 8 years this time? McDavid, Kucherov, Pastrnak, MacKinnon, Tkachuk, all signed long-term. Matthews though, insisted on less term before and he likely will again.
 
Then by your rationale, why didn't he campaign for a long-term deal before? And why do you suspect he won't ask for 8 years this time? McDavid, Kucherov, Pastrnak, MacKinnon, Tkachuk, all signed long-term. Matthews though, insisted on less term before and he likely will again.
He was younger, healthier and hadn't won as many trophies.
 
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