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NHL Dude 120 said:
What happens if a player refuses to play in the tourney. Are they suspended i.e if crosby said no what would happen
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Suspended from what? The nhl is backing the tournament but it would be the exact same thing as if crosby said no to an iihf sanctioned tournament. The ones that would be most angry would be hockey canada.
 
I'm sure there will be repercussions to players from team U23 and Team Europe if they skip. I highly doubt any of those players legitimately want to play. Imagine if McDavid says "I just want to train during this time frame instead of playing in this tournament." The NHL and NHLPA would not be happy to say the least even if the NHL decides suspending a star player for the first game of the year is a bad idea, I'm sure the NHLPA will heavily lean on any players who stray from the company line.
 
I am curious about this as well.
Are NHL players contractually obligated to participate?

Jere Karalahti was chosen to represent team Finland in 2004 version, but was banned from the tournament by the NHL due to suspension in the NHL.
This year, NHL has forbidden team Finland being tested for performance enhancing drugs by the Finnish ADA.
And while not directly related to World Cup, NHL actively tried to prevent the participation of John Scott to their own ASG not very long ago.

There is an established pattern in NHL actively influencing things that they perceive potentially damaging to their brand, and I would not put it past them to have pressured player like Mark Streit to participate, who was vocally critical of the tournament less than year ago.

http://www.courierpostonline.com/st...ne-flyer-happy-new-world-cup-format/22192403/

If John Scott participating ASG was considered "embarrassment", can you imagine what a Team Europe with a sizable portion of the top players refusing to participate would be, from the point of view of NHL?
 
Karma_ said:
If John Scott participating ASG was considered "embarrassment", can you imagine what a Team Europe with a sizable portion of the top players refusing to participate would be, from the point of view of NHL?
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My common sense tells me that if all the players (Streit, Kopitar, Chara, Zuccarello, and others) were already nominated, they probably agreed to play for this team. Jaromir Jagr was not nominated for obvious reasons. They asked him.
 
We already have precedent for this. Players have refused to participate in the tournament before (Bourque multiple times, Roy) and they were not punished.
 
True Hockey Fan said:
My common sense tells me that if all the players (Streit, Kopitar, Chara, Zuccarello, and others) were already nominated, they probably agreed to play for this team. Jaromir Jagr was not nominated for obvious reasons. They asked him.
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It's pretty obvious why the Czech Fed has the courtesy to ask Jagr before slapping his name on the list - but one can't say if the management of Team Europe prefers the same methods.

Besides, "common sense" was obviously not high on the agenda when organizing this tournament in the first place. So why should it apply to player selection?
 
JackSlater said:
We already have precedent for this. Players have refused to participate in the tournament before (Bourque multiple times, Roy) and they were not punished.
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This - but the NHL is now tying Participation in this tournament to the 2018 Olympics lol
 
Karma_ said:
I am curious about this as well.
Are NHL players contractually obligated to participate?
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They are not contractually obligated to participate per the CBA or their SPC. Player contracts obligate the players to participate in:
- NHL Games
- All Star Games
- International Hockey Games
- Exhibition Games (pre-season games)
- Additionally teams are required to grant permission to players to participate in the IIHF World Cup.

The World Cup of Hockey would not be considered an International Hockey Game. That term refers to the pre-season or regular season games played outside of North America.

Revenue from the World Cup of Hockey is split evenly between the NHL and PA. So the PA is presumably directly compensating the players that participate. That revenue is not included in HRR. It is possible that the PA negotiated a separate side agreement with the NHL covering the World Cup of Hockey that does obligate the PA members to participate. If that were the case we're unlikely to see the agreement published, but maybe some details would leak in the media as we get closer.
 
mouser said:
They are not contractually obligated to participate per the CBA or their SPC. Player contracts obligate the players to participate in:
- NHL Games
- All Star Games
- International Hockey Games
- Exhibition Games (pre-season games)
- Additionally teams are required to grant permission to players to participate in the IIHF World Cup.

The World Cup of Hockey would not be considered an International Hockey Game. That term refers to the pre-season or regular season games played outside of North America.

Revenue from the World Cup of Hockey is split evenly between the NHL and PA. So the PA is presumably directly compensating the players that participate. That revenue is not included in HRR. It is possible that the PA negotiated a separate side agreement with the NHL covering the World Cup of Hockey that does obligate the PA members to participate. If that were the case we're unlikely to see the agreement published, but maybe some details would leak in the media as we get closer.
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Players are not obligated via contract to play in international tournaments. The nhl contracts have nothing to do with the hockey federations or the iihf.

If a player/nhl teams management wanted to they can say no and there would be nothing the nhl/iihf could do about it.

Hockey canada (or what ever federation) the player came from could do something to the player. It is why you will see players like giroux left off team canada when it comes to international games (giroux declined once to many times and canada is basicalky telling him we will take someone that wants to be there).
 
Barrie22 said:
Hockey canada (or what ever federation) the player came from could do something to the player. It is why you will see players like giroux left off team canada when it comes to international games (giroux declined once to many times and canada is basicalky telling him we will take someone that wants to be there).
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Giroux doesn't have a noteworthy history of refusing Hockey Canada. only time would have been the 2014 World Championship, and pretty much every good Canadian refused to show up that year.
 
JackSlater said:
Giroux doesn't have a noteworthy history of refusing Hockey Canada. only time would have been the 2014 World Championship, and pretty much every good Canadian refused to show up that year.
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He refused the canada olympic summer camp. That was a big no no.
 
Barrie22 said:
He refused the canada olympic summer camp. That was a big no no.
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Sure, but he at least had a documented injury. Saying that Giroux refused one too many times implies that Giroux has repeatedly said no to Hockey Canada, and it isn't accurate.
 
Who wouldn't want to represent a phony conglomerate that isn't even your country while in some cases having to, in fact, play against your own country?

...

This whole thing should be shot into space.
 
Barrie22 said:
Players are not obligated via contract to play in international tournaments. The nhl contracts have nothing to do with the hockey federations or the iihf.

If a player/nhl teams management wanted to they can say no and there would be nothing the nhl/iihf could do about it.

Hockey canada (or what ever federation) the player came from could do something to the player. It is why you will see players like giroux left off team canada when it comes to international games (giroux declined once to many times and canada is basicalky telling him we will take someone that wants to be there).
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As I pointed out in my post, NHL teams can no longer say no to their players going to IIHf tournaments like the World Championship. That was a change to the prior status quo in the most recent CBA.
 
Hypothetical. One of Zdeno Chara, Mark Streit, Dennis Seidenberg, Marian Hossa, or Marian Gaborik decides to retire after this season. This could be for many reasons, just winning a Stanley Cup and wanting to go out on a bang, being old in general, feeling beat up by injuries and just wanting to settle down. How would the NHL react in that instance? I honestly don't think they'd make a big deal out of it but it's an intriguing idea because it could potentially happen.
 
JackSlater said:
Giroux doesn't have a noteworthy history of refusing Hockey Canada. only time would have been the 2014 World Championship, and pretty much every good Canadian refused to show up that year.
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Giroux did not refuse to go to the WC 2014
it does not let go of the club because of injury
 
Bear12Good said:
http://www.broadstreethockey.com/20...giroux-team-canada-world-championships-flyers
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It is the players who make the decision on whether or not they play internationally once their contractual commitments for the year have been met and they have their medical clearance. The team can recommend, ask or request the player not to play, but it was Giroux who himself made that decision. The flyers framing it as "we will not release" is the team deflecting the decision upon themselves so as there isn't any further "heat" between Hockey Canada and the player. If you remember there was quite the kafuffle involving that player, Olympic roster spots and Flyers owner a few months previous.

Last year Pittsburgh did not want Malkin to play, asked him not to play and told him that they would give the official response of "we are not releasing the player". But Malkin told his GM that he didn't have a choice and that he had to play. And I suspect the same thing this year. Malkin will miss what's left of the NHL regular season, will come back in time to get in a playoff game, but Pitt will ultimately lose any PO series they play and Malkin will then trot off to the WHC to play lights out. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Malkin were to miss what's left of the regular season + POs but will somehow show up in Moscow May 6 fit and ready to play.
 
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Mr Writer said:
It is the players who make the decision on whether or not they play internationally once their contractual commitments for the year have been met. The team can recommend, ask or request the player not to play, but it was Giroux who himself made that decision. The flyers framing it as "we will not release" is the team deflecting the decision upon themselves so as there isn't any further "heat" between Hockey Canada and the player. If you remember there was quite the kafuffle involving that player, Olympic roster spots and Flyers owner a few months previous.

Last year Pittsburgh did not want Malkin to play, asked him not to play and told him that they would give the official response of "we are not releasing the player". But Malkin told his GM that he didn't have a choice and that he had to play. And I suspect the same thing this year. Malkin will miss what's left of the NHL regular season, will come back in time to get in a playoff game, but Pitt will ultimately lose any PO series they play and Malkin will then trot off to the WHC to play lights out. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Malkin were to miss what's left of the regular season + POs but will somehow show up in Moscow May 6 fit and ready to play.
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I think Malkin will go to the World Championship
World Championship is more important than the Stanley Cup for him
 
Bear12Good said:
I think Malkin will go to the World Championship
World Championship is more important than the Stanley Cup for him
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His teammates nor the Penguins fans may not be too thrilled with that attitude...but whatever, I'm not a Penguins fan.

We'll see what happens in the Bobrovski case. Columbus is suggesting it will not give a release to goalie Bob to play in Moscow.
 
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