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LEAFS GDT Atlantic Division - Race to the 1st

Suntouchable13 said:
People might be tempted to say that, but it's really just that they don't have the dudes now to win most games. They are not trying to tank in order to face the Leafs. Barkov, Ekblad, Ratchuk out is way too much to overcome.
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It was tongue in cheek and not to be taken seriously. It would be leafy if it happened though but as tusk pointed out, it is very unlikely for Sens to pass the Panthers.
 
ToneDog said:
It was tongue in cheek and not to be taken seriously. It would be leafy if it happened though but as tusk pointed out, it is very unlikely for Sens to pass the Panthers.
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End of the day if the Leafs want to be serious, just focus on one goal at a time. Finish as high as you can, get a division title and be pro and demolish whomever you play. Worrying about a soft opponent and looking ahead is useless. If they don't have their business in order, they become a soft opponent.
 
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notbias said:
People like to pretend it was Danault in the Montreal series, but he got heavily outplayed, and Price came up big.
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FFS, the shots in the Game 6 overtime were 22-1 when it ended. The Leafs literally spent the first 5 minutes of the OT in the Montreal zone shooting from EVERYWHERE, on for the first Montreal scoring chance to go in and end it. Anyone who claims the Leafs were outplayed by Montreal in that series is out to lunch. Price was the difference, and then he'd proceed to carry the Habs to the f***ing finals.
 
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notbias said:
Goaltenders can outplay the shooters on our team... just like Stolarz and Woll have stolen games for us.

Not sure anyone has argued this... Leafs more often than not have outplayed the opposition, but a single player (the goaltender) has "stolen" games.

Price and Columbus (both goalies) are obvious examples of this, anyone disputing this either didn't watch or is misremembering.

People like to pretend it was Danault in the Montreal series, but he got heavily outplayed, and Price came up big.

This all started by saying in the Columbus series that they played on the perimeter, which is just false.

I honestly have no clue what you're going on about now, this has gone from correcting a false claim to you thinking that this is an excuse for the team being beaten.

The goalie should get praise though, and not the team, sometimes the goalie outduels the shooter.

And let's not pretend goaltenders play the same every game, they get hot and cold often, just because Columbus had amazing goaltending against us, it doesn't prove it is system related because they sucked the next round.
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Bottom line, no excuses required, 1 win in 8 attempts.

It isn't being out goalied, it's being unable to win.

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Even if they finish 1st. do we expect a long playoffs run? No.
 
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ULF_55 said:
Bottom line, no excuses required, 1 win in 8 attempts.

It isn't being out goalied, it's being unable to win.

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Even if they finish 1st. do we expect a long playoffs run? No.
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We can end the convo here since you can't follow it, appreciate the banter, but no point discussing different things.
 
AvroArrow said:
Ovechkin got bounced out of the 2nd round his entire career, Crosby and the Penguins legit owned them for like a decade

They never won more than 1 round, except the season they won the cup

So no I don't agree that this is a fact

Apart from the Montreal/Blue Jackets series, we had in my opinion some of, if not the most difficult playoff matchups

Year 1 - Vs Capitals, lost in 6, competitive series
Year 2 - Vs Bruins, lost in 7
Year 3 - Vs Bruins lost in 7
Year 4 - Vs Blue Jackets lost in 5 (Play in)
Year 5 - Vs Canadiens lost in 7
Year 6 - Vs Lightning lost in 7
Year 7 - Vs Lightning won in 6, lost to Panthers in 5 in round 2
Year 8 - Vs Bruins lost in 7

Break it down, year 1 rookie years. Year 2/3 played against prime Boston with Chara, Bergeron, Krejci, Rask, Pastrnak,. Year 4 should've won. Year 5, should have won choke job, Matthews had the wrist injury. Year 6 vs Tampa, both goals Tampa scored in game 7 off of blatant missed penalties, horrible officiating in game 6 as well. Year 7 beat Tampa and lost to a very good Panthers team. Year 8, should have won but lost in 7 to a good team.

Caps won the cup, Bruins made the finals game 7, Habs made the final, Lightning won b2b cups and 3 finals

Context matters, it's shitty but we had some insanely difficult match ups and against the high end teams, mostly competed. Just the Panthers series was a whooping.

So no I don't care about 1 round won, we have a great team with elite talent who has bought in to the team first concept. Past failures don't determine the future.
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I said it was more likely, not that it was impossible
 
notbias said:
We can end the convo here since you can't follow it, appreciate the banter, but no point discussing different things.
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I'm gardening so perhaps.

All I recall is excuses for losing.

They didn't lose because of goaltending is all I'm saying.

It isn't like they played Price 8 times.

Matthews and marner combined for 1 goal, Nylander 5 against the Habs, Price could be beat.

All the other series they won 1, and then lost in the 2nd. round. One does not celebrate winning a single round in 8 years.

But as you say, maybe I am misinterpreting the excuses for failure.
 
ULF_55 said:
I'm gardening so perhaps.

All I recall is excuses for losing.

They didn't lose because of goaltending is all I'm saying.

It isn't like they played Price 8 times.

Matthews and marner combined for 1 goal, Nylander 5 against the Habs, Price could be beat.

All the other series they won 1, and then lost in the 2nd. round. One does not celebrate winning a single round in 8 years.

But as you say, maybe I am misinterpreting the excuses for failure.
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I didn't say they lost 8 times because of the goaltender outplaying them, they've played close series, they also haven't, and goaltending has bailed teams out.

There are no excuses, you are making up arguments on your own.

A goalie outplaying shooters is also not an excuse, it is a fact of that specific series.
 
notbias said:
I didn't say they lost 8 times because of the goaltender outplaying them, they've played close series, they also haven't, and goaltending has bailed teams out.

There are no excuses, you are making up arguments on your own.

A goalie outplaying shooters is also not an excuse, it is a fact of that specific series.
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Well we can agree they just aren't/haven't been a good playoffs team.

No interpretation required.
 
Just need a split in the upcoming back to back, preferably with a win against Tampa. That should pretty much deal the division assuming the Leafs just go .500 rest of the way.
 
Leafs have also moved into 5th overall in the league, and have a chance at fourth. Would be pretty impressive given all the injuries this year.
 
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The Hanging Jowl said:
So now I'm a Habs fan, Sens fan and a Buffalo fan. I'm in a simulation.
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I do feel dirty that we helped out the Habs tonight. Columbus was a nice story after the tragedy over the summer and being a scrappy underdog squad, I would prefer them to make it over the Habs or NYR. That being said, we need to get the division and Columbus has embarrassed us enough the last few years, they were well overdue for a spanking by Toronto.
 
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Florida is basically out of the race for A1.

If Tampa goes 5-1-0 in the remaining 6 games, Toronto will need to go 3-3-0 to match them

If Tampa goes 4-1-1 in the remaining 6 games, Toronto will need to go 2-3-1 to match them

We are in the driver's seat here
 
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leafsfan5 said:
Florida is basically out of the race for A1.

If Tampa goes 5-1-0 in the remaining 6 games, Toronto will need to go 3-3-0 to match them

If Tampa goes 4-1-1 in the remaining 6 games, Toronto will need to go 2-3-1 to match them

We are in the driver's seat here
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It's over. There is no realistic possibility of Tampa catching Toronto. If I'm Berube, I'm starting to find ways to leave Tanev on the bench or in the press box. It's time to start resting guys.
 
leafsfan5 said:
Florida is basically out of the race for A1.

If Tampa goes 5-1-0 in the remaining 6 games, Toronto will need to go 3-3-0 to match them

If Tampa goes 4-1-1 in the remaining 6 games, Toronto will need to go 2-3-1 to match them

We are in the driver's seat here
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Only thing I'm a bit worried about is Ottawa passing Florida. Florida has basically checked out and they're just trying to make it to the playoffs without losing anymore bodies. It would be a cruel twist that we win the division only to draw the defending champions and ECF champs from the last two years
 
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Ottawa beat beat both Tampa and Florida in regulation and to my surprise Buffalo actually won in a shootout.

that's a BIG point they just gained on Tampa
 
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