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LEAFS GDT Atlantic Division - Race to the 1st

Suntouchable13 said:
Who cares? If the Leafs are as great as people claim, they overcome good goaltending against them and score on some of those chances. Every team in the playoffs will have good goaltending, for the most part. You're not going to face 4 teams with weak goaltending on your way to wining the cup. Stop with the excuses.
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Irrelevant to the conversation we were having.
 
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ULF_55 said:
The heat map is based on location, correct?

I do not see where it takes into account screens, shot velocity, shooter capability.

So a shot by marner = a shot by Matthews.

Is it possible Leafs come up short in the goalie department not because of the shooter, but the traffic in front? One goalie can see the shot, one goalie cannot?

"been some amazing goaltending performances against the Leafs for some reason."

Is the "some reason" unknown or ignored?
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Regardless of who is shooting or if there is traffic, the high danger area is a prime scoring chance...

2% shooting at 5v5 is still insane, especially when that is the heatmap.

You can go count the screened shots and who took them from where if you want, but I recall the series, and their goaltending was great.
 
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tuckerintensity said:
You can be frustrated we can't get over, but to call all eight of those seasons failures is wildly entertaining for all the wrong reasons.
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I think you're deliberately misinterpreting my post.

Put it this way - *collectively* 8 years of failure. I thought that was pretty clear.
I don't know how it makes it any less of a failure if a few of those years - even most years - they had tough opponents.

As for the case that they were underdogs vs. the Caps, Bruins, etc. so that's not really so bad: Underdogs can win a playoff series. Happens often. The last few years less so, but in 2019, five lower seeds won in the first round. In 2020 four of them did. Guess which team was not among them? You got it.
 
tuckerintensity said:
That's a whole lot of words to say you agree.

Losing to Washington with 19 year old Marner and Matthews was a failure? To Boston with our top three scorers 21 and under? Hell, even the next year we were far from favourites. You can be frustrated we can't get over, but to call all eight of those seasons failures is wildly entertaining for all the wrong reasons. We weren't supposed to be making the playoffs that quickly into the rebuild.
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The Leafs were a favourite in 2 of the 8 series. Montreal and Columbus. Those 2 are really the only failures.

Losing to 6/8 teams that were unanimously considered better, all of which had home ice advantage, is not necessarily a failure on their own but the collective failure to go on a run can be.
 
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Assuming Ottawa beats Florida today, they'll only be 4 points back with 6 games to go. However, the first division tiebreaker is number of Wins - Florida has 4 more wins than Ott (prob 3 after today), which means that Ottawa needs to get 5 more points than Florida in their last 6 games, and that seems like a very tough task even with Florida's struggles lately.
 
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notbias said:
Regardless of who is shooting or if there is traffic, the high danger area is a prime scoring chance...

2% shooting at 5v5 is still insane, especially when that is the heatmap.

You can go count the screened shots and who took them from where if you want, but I recall the series, and their goaltending was great.
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Yes, but if goaltending is always great, maybe it is the shooters.
 
ULF_55 said:
So, let's drop all the excuses and accept it just hasn't been a good team.
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Goaltenders can outplay the shooters on our team... just like Stolarz and Woll have stolen games for us.

Not sure anyone has argued this... Leafs more often than not have outplayed the opposition, but a single player (the goaltender) has "stolen" games.

Price and Columbus (both goalies) are obvious examples of this, anyone disputing this either didn't watch or is misremembering.

People like to pretend it was Danault in the Montreal series, but he got heavily outplayed, and Price came up big.

This all started by saying in the Columbus series that they played on the perimeter, which is just false.

I honestly have no clue what you're going on about now, this has gone from correcting a false claim to you thinking that this is an excuse for the team being beaten.

The goalie should get praise though, and not the team, sometimes the goalie outduels the shooter.

And let's not pretend goaltenders play the same every game, they get hot and cold often, just because Columbus had amazing goaltending against us, it doesn't prove it is system related because they sucked the next round.
 
Legion34 said:
Winning 3 more games then a team out of 6 is pretty tough.

Toronto has the toughest schedule left.

Tampa/florida/carolina
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Agreed.

It's just I thought this to be astonishing. Few days ago the Cats were competing for first and now they are being chased by the Sens for 3rd.
 
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AvroArrow said:
Matthews, Marner, Nylander are all better than Backstrom/Kuznetsov/Oshie. But I'm not really sure what your post was supposed to mean ?

The only 2 series that I could say we definitely 100000% should have won were the Columbus/Montreal series

Lost in 7 to prime Tampa
Lost to prime Florida
Lost in 7 to prime Boston twice

And then obviously the game 7 lost to Boston last year

Point is we played some really good teams and had some really competitive series. Those teams have all declined since, and we've gotten better. Tampas looking lethal again lately but overall vs a couple years ago, their team has gotten weaker.

Ovechkin and the Caps are proof, that failing or choking in the playoffs in previous years is not some guarantee that you'll lose again.

Now if you guys wanna pout, whine and complain about the team before the playoffs even start be my guest. Who am I to tell you not to ?

Personally though, I like the way this team has played this year, I like the additions to the roster and I am especially happy with our coaching staff.

It's been rough for us but ask yourselves, how many other teams beat that prime Boston team that featured Chara, Bergeron, Rask, Pastrnak, Krejci, Mcavoy ? They lost to Tampa, and the Isles who took Tampa to 7, and the Blues in 7 in the Cup final.

How many teams beat that prime Tampa Bay team ? Spoiler, it was only us and Colorado. The one time we did lose to Tampa, was a game 7 with very questionable officiating.

How many teams beat the Panthers ? Only Vegas in the cup final

I'm optimistic about our team and context absolutely matters when discussing playoffs. We're not playing dog shit teams in the 1st round every year like the Pacific division does, we get difficult match ups and actually compete.

But again, if you wanna whine and complain about the last several years of failure, go for it. I personally won't and call me an idiot IDC I am optimistic about this team this year, because of how they have played and the commitment by the entire team to a 200ft playoff type of game.
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The point I was making was I thought our core was one of the best in the entire NHL so it shouldn't matter who we are playing. If we want to use Washington and Ovi as a comparable about not winning until he was in his 30s and got eliminated early every year before that then maybe this core isn't as good as we thought. The main point about this core that a majority use is they all get paid like top 5 players in the league over the last like 6 years and they still can't beat other good teams in the playoffs? That's why they get paid. Do you expect them to win every year? No, but they should be winning more than they lose like a lot of these other good teams.

I also like our chances this year but I have also liked our chances many years recently and we still end up losing. Ottawa has had our number, Tampa Bay looks very good but at times they look very bad too. Florida is Florida where they can matchup with any team. We should still be able to beat all 3 teams no matter what though.
 
Schennanigans said:
I think that if we win today we actually help Florida clinch a playoff spot.
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Correct.

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Stanley Cup Playoff clinching scenarios for April 5 | NHL.com

Here are the Stanley Cup Playoffs clinching scenarios for April 5: EASTERN CONFERENCE The Tampa Bay Lightning clinched a playoff berth with the New York Rangers' 4-0 loss at the New Jersey Devils The Florida Panthers will clinch a playoff berth: If the Columbus Blue Jackets lose to the Toronto
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The Florida Panthers will clinch a playoff berth:

If the Columbus Blue Jackets lose to the Toronto Maple Leafs in any fashion (7 p.m. ET; CBC, SNO, SNP, FDSNOH
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I'm fine with giving the Panthers some help tonight.
 
ULF_55 said:
Yes, but if goaltending is always great, maybe it is the shooters.
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The issue is when opposite goalie play good hockey and your own goalie giving up weak goal every game or just choxking on key game... That will just increase illusion you had been steal by goalie.

Exemple last game vs Florida. Put Samsonov or Campbell unstead of Stolarz and it's maybe a 3-1 lost unstead of a 3-2 win and we talk about how Bobrovsky and panthers close it and won it unstead how leafs won it...
 
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