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I am conflicted about Pete Rose
Something to remember about Pete Rose: he’s in the Hall of Fame. There is a sizable collection of his artifacts and numerous displays in the museum. What the HOF doesn’t have is his plaque in the Plaque Room. That’s it.
The truth is, if he had been contrite he could have turned into one of baseball’s best ambassadors. He could have been the one leading the way on promoting to others a way out of gambling addiction.
He didn’t.
If you don’t think he could have pulled that off, just look at what Alex Rodriguez has done to resurrect his image.
Something to remember about Pete Rose: he’s in the Hall of Fame. There is a sizable collection of his artifacts and numerous displays in the museum. What the HOF doesn’t have is his plaque in the Plaque Room. That’s it.
The truth is, if he had been contrite he could have turned into one of baseball’s best ambassadors. He could have been the one leading the way on promoting to others a way out of gambling addiction.
He didn’t.
If you don’t think he could have pulled that off, just look at what Alex Rodriguez has done to resurrect his image.
GatorMike
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Just my opinion, but...
...as far as I'm concerned, Pete Rose should never get into the Hall of Fame.
...as far as I'm concerned, Pete Rose should never get into the Hall of Fame.
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Charlie Hustle was his own worst enemy,
Embattled MLB legend Pete Rose dies at 83
Pete Rose, the all-time hits leader who was banned from baseball for betting on the game, has died at age 83.www.espn.com
I never liked him and do not feel bad that he's not in the HOF.
LSCII
Cup driven
How did he “fail miserably in Boston”? He did exactly what ownership wanted him to do, and the dude who replaced him is continuing that same trajectory. Bloom wasn’t the issue, it was Henry and co not wanting to spend any money.
He’s one of the biggest dirtbags to have ever lived. No hall for him. The gambling was bad but he’s done far worse and doesn’t belong.
It’s the underage women accusations for me that’s a disqualifier
LSCII
Cup driven
Exactly. 34 years old, married with 2 kids and sleeping with a 14 year old girl? And his excuse? I thought she was 16. JFC no. The world is a better place today.
Ludwig Fell Down
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I still love his game and his attitude when he played. But I have zero sympathy for him. He had a hundred opportunities to apologize and admit wrongdoing, and waited until he wrote a book and then offered a tepid apology. Hubris was his worst enemy.
GatorMike
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Rose is a bad guy.
There are plenty of bad guys in the HOF.
MLB has always been very clear about what the punishment for gambling is. I've yet to hear a compelling case for why Pete Rose should be let off the hook when others haven't been.
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Nobody ever says ownership isn't part of the problem. Nobody. But Chaim Bloom was also not good at his job. Both are true.
I have no problem with Pete Rose not being in the Hall of Fame. It's perfectly fine that everyone realizes he was a hall of fame talent who did the one thing you just can't do. Even now if you told people he bet on baseball they would probably assume he just bet on other games. If it was just betting on other games I might feel differently especially in the gambling obsessed world we live in. But this dude gambled on games he was managing. It directly impacts the integrity of the game.
I suppose you could then draw a parallel to athletes doing PEDs or the Astros/Patriots cheating scandals as those also compromise the integrity of games so I do understand it's murky to some. At least in those cases you are doing something to gain an advantage in competition. That isn't the same as going all out to win a particular game you bet on and then potentially not caring about the next game where you didn't bet.
I suppose you could then draw a parallel to athletes doing PEDs or the Astros/Patriots cheating scandals as those also compromise the integrity of games so I do understand it's murky to some. At least in those cases you are doing something to gain an advantage in competition. That isn't the same as going all out to win a particular game you bet on and then potentially not caring about the next game where you didn't bet.
LOL. Yes, Front Row Amy still shows up.....
Actually, I think that is the worst possible thing to do and would be incredibly hypocritical and spiteful on MLB's part.
If he deserves to be in (not gonna get into that debate) then they should have put him in while he was still around. If he doesn't deserve to be in, then that opinion shouldn't change just because he's dead.
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EverettMike
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I think you need a refresher course on all the despicle things that guy did. He was one of the greats on the field but everything else....
Dennis Bonvie
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Neither did I, but as with other undeniably accomplished individuals, you have to give them credit.
My sister Julie met Lou Brock and had some kind of encounter with Rose in the late '70s. She said he was a pig. I'll ask her what happened.
As for Cooperstown, I don't think he will ever be admitted, even postumously.
Yet Ken Griffey Jr. and the rest of the '90s Roid Boys may well.
Major League Baseball, like most professional sports leagues in the United States and worldwide, is fraught with contradiction, hypocrisy and infamy.
Institutions are made up of fallible human beings, after all.
Ken Griffey Jr is in the HOF, but I get your point.....
Like you said, we are all fallible...
EverettMike
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Pete Rose committed the one sin you can't commit in sports. He did the one thing of which there can be no forgiveness from a sports league that hopes to continue to operate as a legitimate institution. It's not about what a POS/possible-probable criminal he was off the field. It's not about contrition or a lack of it after the fact. He bet on games he was a part of. He was managing his team and betting on the games he was managing.
No on field accomplishments outweigh that. Being inducted into the Hall of Fame is the greatest individual honor someone in sports can receive. He disqualified himself forever with his actions knowing full well what the penalty was for doing so.
No on field accomplishments outweigh that. Being inducted into the Hall of Fame is the greatest individual honor someone in sports can receive. He disqualified himself forever with his actions knowing full well what the penalty was for doing so.
I am not much of a baseball fan, as you can tell.Ken Griffey Jr is in the HOF, but I get your point.....
Like you said, we are all fallible...
What about Mcguire, Sosa and Canseco? Do you think they will ever get into the Hall?
If you recall, I believe there was a work stoppage, or it was the dead ball era, and all the home runs brought positive attention to the game.
As it were.
McGarnagle
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While I think Rose's accomplishments outweigh his crimes (especially if you separate what he did as a player from him gambling while a manager), I acknowledge the other side of the argument that what he did compromised the integrity of the sport and brought the league to disrepute. Now that he's dead and can't profit off it, I would let him in. But I get the other side's opinion.
With the steroid guys, I just find it absolutely hypocritical how they're being punished for breaking rules that were not enforced prior to 2003 and they're dragged through the mud despite making the league a ton of money.
Expanding on what you said, McGwire and Sosa put baseball back on the map in 1998 and saved them from the post-strike doldrums. Financially the league boomed because of the home run chases. And their reputations are just being assaulted by the BBWAA and the establishment media for it. Meanwhile the beloved legends like Willie Mays were using amphetamines to get a competitive edge and no one cares about that.
All in all, keeping Bonds, A-Rod, Clemens, etc. out of the HOF is just ridiculous posturing by the BBWAA.
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Dennis Bonvie
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You are fooling yourself if you think Rose wasn't betting while he was a player.
Sorta refreshing from an owner:
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Mr Cartmenez
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Imagine what could have been for Pete Rose if he had a Translator back in the day.
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