ATD2025 Draft Thread

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You can take rmartin out of the pre-merger, but you can't take the pre-merger out of rmartin. :D;)

But seriously, I like it. Great pick.
Haha, yeah... Earlier in the draft, I find it easier to talk myself out of the amateur era guys. For example, I almost drafted Phillips when I drafted Bathgate, thinking I may be able to land Phillips later (before @jigglysquishy cruelly ruined that dream). Personally, I rank Phillips ahead of Bathgate.

But the deeper into the draft we get, the bigger the gap becomes in talent (in my opinion, of course) between those guys and the guys who traditionally go around now. So while I figured Phillips and Bathgate were close enough that I could go with the traditional consensus despite my personal rankings, I can't make that same call at this point with guys like Weldy Young and Jack Campbell in comparison to the other defenders available.

Since I've talked about Phillips a bit here, I may as well digress-

During the pre-merger project, I was very adamant that Bowie was the best amateur era guy. But as I've opened my aperture and looked at the other leagues, and having come across some more sources that take a bit away from Bowie's scoring prowess (not a ton, mind you, but a bit), I think that Phillips was The Man of that time period.

I'd rank the big 4 players of that time (on a career scale) Tommy Phillips>Russell Bowie>Frank McGee>Hod Stuart.

This isn't me coming at Bowie/McGee/Stuart, for the record. I have a great appreciation for them all, and I think they all went in good spots for them in this draft.

Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm actually a little glad that @jigglysquishy drafted Phillips, because now I can say this without there being any doubts or reservations that my change in opinion coincides with my drafting of Phillips. The dude was simply a stud, and I'm glad he's finally getting his due. He could go even higher next year, honestly.
 
We're ready to finish off our second line. We're going to take a guy from the New York Rangers for that that we feel is quite capable of filling the role. We welcome Rod Gilbert.

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Three Rivers is pleased to see this gentleman still on the board.

He was an absolute playoff ringer, tying Guy Lafleur for most playoff points in the 1970's. He was a big part of 2 separate dynasties, winning 8 Cups all together. He scored 2 SC, game winning goals in his career and had numerous other big moments.

A very strong 2-way player (a lot of good source material on this), good in the dot, great skater with one of the hardest and most accurate shots in the league, his style of play lends himself to being able to step up into a scoring line role if needed but is certainly more than capable of playing in a more 2 way role, as he did most of his career.

Please welcome:

Jacques Lemaire, C

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- Lemaire scored 3 playoff overtime goal in his career
- Lemaire is only one of five players to have scored two game winning clinching Stanley Cup goals.
- Lemaire never scored under 20 goals in all of his 12 season in the NHL
- Recorded Six-30 goals season
- Tied Guy Lafleur for the most point in playoffs in the 1970's with 120
- Lemaire is 2nd Canadian in All-time Playoff scoring behind Beliveau with 139 points
- Ultimate Hockey named Jacques Lemaire the best all-around player of the 1970's

Jacques Lemaire developed his hard slapshot as a youth by working with a heavy steel puck and his shot was rated second only to Bobby Hull for speed and accuracy. He used that powerful shot to beat Tony Esposito of Chicago, keying a Montreal comeback in game 7 of the 1971 finals en route to a Stanley Cup. His strong skating and excellent checking abilities also made him one of the game's best two-way players.
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Jacques Lemaire played 12 incredible seasons with the Montreal Canadiens. In that time Lemaire was definitely one of the most underrated superstars in NHL history. A tremendously gifted two way center, Lemaire was never named as a NHL all star due to a glut of superstar centers during the 1970s - players such as Bobby Clarke, Phil Esposito, xxxxxxxxxx and Bryan Trottier. He never won a major NHL award and he never was invited to play for Team Canada. While he never quite achieved superstar status he did help the Habs win 8 Stanley Cup championships in his 12 years!
Lemaire was an extremely clean player. He only racked up 217 PIMs in over 800 games. A tremendous skater with great anticipation skills, of all the greats who played with the Montreal dynasty of the 1970s perhaps Lemaire understood the game of hockey better than anyone.

Lemaire was also a clutch performer come playoff time. In 145 post-season games, Lemaire scored 61 goals and 78 assists for 139 points. Two of his goals were Stanley Cup clinchers (1977 and 1979).
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Jacques Lemaire spent a dozen years with the Canadiens, quietly becoming one of the team's all-time greats. He cracked the lineup in 1967-68 under Toe Blake and quickly established himself as a reliable performer at both ends of the ice.

A strong skater and creative playmaker, Coco, as he was known to his teammates, also had a booming shot that he used to great effect.
His speed, anticipation and dogged determination made him a standout defensive forward, but Lemaire was no slouch when it came to his offensive production. He potted at least 20 goals in each of his 12 campaigns.

A natural playmaker and as dangerous without the puck as he was when he controlled it, Lemaire was a threat to score from virtually any spot on the ice. His powerful slap shot, often unleashed from beyond the blue line, found the mesh behind many startled goaltenders.

Playing on a team filled with future Hall of Famers, Lemaire was not often in the spotlight but he soldiered on, playing impeccable defensive hockey while still managing to finish the season among the team's top scorers year after year.
xxxxxx had the fastest hands and quickest release around. Lafleur played purely by instinct and reflex; there was no telling where he'd go. Jacques Lemaire was the dependable and reliable one who did the heavy lifting. He won the faceoffs, dug the puck out of the scrums and fed his more spectacular linemates with unerring passes that they converted in record-setting numbers.

In the playoffs, Lemaire didn't take a backseat to anyone. One of the NHL's all-time greatest money players, he has three overtime goals to his credit, among them the Cup winner in 1977.
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225. rmartin65 - Quebec HC - Jack Campbell, D
226. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Neil Colville, C
227. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey Tardis - Rod Gilbert, RW
228. nabby12 - Torpedo Ust-Kamenogorsk - Auston Matthews, C
229. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Jon Cooper, coach
230. ImporterExporter - Three Rivers AC - Jacques Lemaire, C
 
I... I... i...
  • Love Lehtinen.
  • Been a focal fan of him since pre-Selke #1.
  • Think him an elite role player.
  • am always amazed he goes before he should, in an ALL-time context.
  • wish to one day ATD draft him.
 
Lehtinen's a rarer commodity than a lot of players who are better than him - not only a star defensive winger, but one who handled a consistent first line NHL role with ATD level players. And then there's the ability to put him on either wing, and overall you get a player who it often makes sense to grab now and figure out his linemates (and you'll have plenty of options who may be more talented) later.
 
225. rmartin65 - Quebec HC - Jack Campbell, D
226. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Neil Colville, C
227. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey Tardis - Rod Gilbert, RW
228. nabby12 - Torpedo Ust-Kamenogorsk - Auston Matthews, C
229. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Jon Cooper, coach
230. ImporterExporter - Three Rivers AC - Jacques Lemaire, C
231. Claude The Fraud - Ottawa 67's - Jere Lehtinen, W
232. tinyzombies - NDG Monarchs - Jiri Holik, LW
233. tabness - Seattle Supersoakers - Brad McCrimmon, D
234. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds
235. Boreal01 - HC Lugano
236. Boreal01 - HC Lugano
237. Dr Pepper - Dawson City Nuggets
238. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers
239. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
240. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas
 
I... I... i...
  • Love Lehtinen.
  • Been a focal fan of him since pre-Selke #1.
  • Think him an elite role player.
  • am always amazed he goes before he should, in an ALL-time context.
  • wish to one day ATD draft him.


ALL-TIME DRAFT 2022!


203. tabness - Bloomfield Hills Dollar Bills- Brad McCrimmon, D
204. nabby12 - Winnipeg Victorias - Baldy Northcott, LW
205. Dreakmur - Orillia Terriers - Toe Blake, coach
206. VanIslander - Milwaukee Admirals - Jere Lehtinen, LW/RW
Short memory.

That said, I wish there was an "anti-matter VsX" to quantify the scoring suppressed by the likes of Lehtinen and J. Holik (and the scoring NOT suppressed by the likes of Recchi and Brett Hull).
 
Short memory.

That said, I wish there was an "anti-matter VsX" to quantify the scoring suppressed by the likes of Lehtinen and J. Holik (and the scoring NOT suppressed by the likes of Recchi and Brett Hull).

I was about 96% sure I saw Van draft him at least one year fairly recently.

Thanks for looking it up!

And I echo the statement. There is just no good way to bean-count your way to an acceptable statistical analysis of defensive value. I don't even think you can do it today with the advanced metrics seen.

With that being said, I think it also answers the question of why players like Jack Walker are rated lower than they probably should be.
 
Ah, that Milwaukee Admirals squad indeed had Lehtinen 'cuz Thornton as 2nd pivot is scary when the team doesn't have possession of the puck. I was trying to patchwork one of Joe's weaknesses. Thornton is one of the most difficult to build around.

Lehtinen is clearly an elite 3rd liner all time; drafting him earlier should be to cover a weakness at most.

EDIT: Lehtinen is a RW/LW... becsuse the VAST MAJORITY of his NHL career was at RW; agreed he did well at LW on Selanne's line at a few Olympics.
 
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Jack Campbell is one of the guys I was referring to when I said there were other defensemen with comparable/better peaks than Reardon and Makar.

That said, I ranked Campbell extremely high in the per-merger project, higher than everyone else, so I'm biased.
 
Realistically, Jack Campbell's ATD destiny probably tops at Jan Suchy. They are for all purposes the same ATD player.
 
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Philadelphia brings back another player well-assimilated to this town. A Cup winner both as a player and coach, unfortunately both of those are with the Penguins, RW Rick Tocchet

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236. Boreal01 - HC Lugano - ON THE CLOCK

Then... .multiple picks by a few teams, including 4 by one team!

237. Dr Pepper - Dawson City Nuggets
238. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers
239. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
240. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas
241. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas
242. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
243. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers
244. Dr Pepper - Dawson City Nuggets
245. Dr Pepper - Dawson City Nuggets
246. Dr Pepper - Dawson City Nuggets
 
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