ATD Lineup advice thread

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Hawkey Town 18

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I found a good bit of Stewart on the right (going to make a bio). Played with Quackenbush who played almost exclusively left.

Reardon was on a pair with Bouchard for awhile, who was a RHS. Pretty confident he's left based on that but don't have a ton of quotes on him yet. If I have time I'll expand that too.

I had Quackenbush last year and found that he played the right side, with Stewart on the left. Here's the source:

alcoholic drinks? the best they can do is ruin your health

I also found a description of Quackenbush playing the right side in Boston, but don't have that source readily available
 

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I had Quackenbush last year and found that he played the right side, with Stewart on the left. Here's the source:

alcoholic drinks? the best they can do is ruin your health

I also found a description of Quackenbush playing the right side in Boston, but don't have that source readily available

Huh, that's pretty clear, but I thought I remembered the reverse.

Didn't Stewart play RD with Red Kelly at LD, or am I remembering that wrong too? (I know an undrafted played RD with Kelly at LD a little later on)
 

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Its somewhat academic for my team because Reardon and Seibert both played both sides so I can shuffle where I need to, but I want to figure this out all the same.
 

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Keep in mind that I don't have my third line wingers picked yet, and that could obviously make a difference, but I'm trying to decide who I want at #2 LW and #3 C between Nels Stewart and Reg Noble, since both are capable of playing either position. The guy on the second line with be playing with Gilmour and Fleury.
 

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Keep in mind that I don't have my third line wingers picked yet, and that could obviously make a difference, but I'm trying to decide who I want at #2 LW and #3 C between Nels Stewart and Reg Noble, since both are capable of playing either position. The guy on the second line with be playing with Gilmour and Fleury.

Noble would actually be a good fit on Stewart’s wing. Maybe Gilmour to the 3rd…
 

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Got my top 6 forwards and top 4 on defense draftednow:

Johnny Bucyk-Stan Mikita-Maurice Richard
Michel Goulet-Eric Lindros-Rick Middleton

Scott Stevens-Brian Leetch
Jacques Laperriere-Harry Cameron

Is this the right line combinations or should changes be made? Also for letters I'm thinking Stevens for C,Mikita for A, anyone else?
 

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Its somewhat academic for my team because Reardon and Seibert both played both sides so I can shuffle where I need to, but I want to figure this out all the same.
For the record I have found clippings of him being voted AS on both the left and the right. So I think Stewart can play both.
 

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Got my top 6 forwards and top 4 on defense draftednow:

Johnny Bucyk-Stan Mikita-Maurice Richard
Michel Goulet-Eric Lindros-Rick Middleton

Scott Stevens-Brian Leetch
Jacques Laperriere-Harry Cameron

Is this the right line combinations or should changes be made? Also for letters I'm thinking Stevens for C,Mikita for A, anyone else?

Tony,

You have everything set up ideally IMO. Great balance on the top line, obviously with a premium playmaker and goal scorer + high end glue guy and boardman. One of the better 1st lines in the draft IMO. The 2nd line is probably a bit light on playmaking in a traditional sense but it's physical and the wings provide solid defensive coverage/checking.

The blueline is set up perfectly.
 

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Got my top 6 forwards and top 4 on defense draftednow:

Johnny Bucyk-Stan Mikita-Maurice Richard
Michel Goulet-Eric Lindros-Rick Middleton

Scott Stevens-Brian Leetch
Jacques Laperriere-Harry Cameron

Is this the right line combinations or should changes be made? Also for letters I'm thinking Stevens for C,Mikita for A, anyone else?

Stevens C, Maurice Richard A. You have a few options for the 2nd A

Yeah yeah young Richard was volatile, but old Richard was captain of a dynasty.

The one issue I have with your setup is that Stevens and Leetch were strictly LDs in the NHL.

Did Lapperriere ever play RD? I don't know either way; I have him listed as LD, but I haven't looked into it closely.

If you're "stuck" with 3 LDs, then Leetch is probably the better one to move over, I guess.
 
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Any thoughts on who should wear the "A" for the Shamrocks? My first instinct is Nighbor and Boucher


Coach: Hap Day


Patrick Elias - Frank Nighbor - Charlie Conacher
Vladimir Krutov - Frank Boucher - Rod Gilbert
Zach Parise - Anze Kopitar - Cecil Dillon
Claude Giroux - Ryan O'Reilly - Tony Amonte

Slava Fetisov (K) - Drew Doughty
Herb Gardiner - Erik Karlsson
Ryan Suter - Jimmy Thomson

Clint Benedict
 

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Any thoughts on who should wear the "A" for the Shamrocks? My first instinct is Nighbor and Boucher


Coach: Hap Day


Patrick Elias - Frank Nighbor - Charlie Conacher
Vladimir Krutov - Frank Boucher - Rod Gilbert
Zach Parise - Anze Kopitar - Cecil Dillon
Claude Giroux - Ryan O'Reilly - Tony Amonte


Slava Fetisov (K) - Drew Doughty
Herb Gardiner - Erik Karlsson
Ryan Suter - Jimmy Thomson


Clint Benedict

I think your instinct is correct. Nobody else really sticks out and those 2 are your best players on each line and were very highly respected among their peers.
 
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Any thoughts on the lines?

Coach: Fred Shero

Alexander Yakushev --- Sidney Crosby (C) --- Jaromir Jagr
Doug Bentley --- Evgeni Malkin --- Bill Mosienko
Baldy Northcott --- Gilbert Perreault --- Ziggy Palffy
Steve Shutt --- Joe Primeau --- Frank Finnigan

Borje Salming - Art Coulter (A)
Scott Niedermayer (A) - Sylvio Mantha
Hap Day - Bullet Joe Simpson

Terry Sawchuk

XXX


PP1: Salming --- Palffy --- Malkin --- Crosby --- Jagr
PP2: Niedermayer --- Mosienko --- Bentley --- Perreault --- Yakushev
PK1: Niedermayer --- Coulter --- Northcott --- Yakushev
PK2: Salming --- Mantha --- Perreault --- Bentley
 

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Big Yak and Jagr on the same line?
Maybe with a speedy defensive-first pivot like Fedorov. But it ain't ideal for them to be together. And it doesn't maximize Crosby either.
 
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Any thoughts on the lines?

Coach: Fred Shero

Alexander Yakushev --- Sidney Crosby (C) --- Jaromir Jagr
Doug Bentley --- Evgeni Malkin --- Bill Mosienko
Baldy Northcott --- Gilbert Perreault --- Ziggy Palffy
Steve Shutt --- Joe Primeau --- Frank Finnigan

Borje Salming - Art Coulter (A)
Scott Niedermayer (A) - Sylvio Mantha
Hap Day - Bullet Joe Simpson

Terry Sawchuk

XXX


PP1: Salming --- Palffy --- Malkin --- Crosby --- Jagr
PP2: Niedermayer --- Mosienko --- Bentley --- Perreault --- Yakushev
PK1: Niedermayer --- Coulter --- Northcott --- Yakushev
PK2: Salming --- Mantha --- Perreault --- Bentley

- I think your forwards are in about the right arrangement - neither of the lines are particularly strong options as shutdown/matchup lines, but moving around a guy like Northcott would shortchange the line he's on. Your options are to ride with this group and roll lines, or find a gritty-in-the-corners 4LW to push Shutt into the pressbox. Either is a valid choice.
- Defense looks right.
- I like that you've got one forward on each unit who played point (Bentley) or a high flank (Malkin)
- Did Perreault and Yakushev PK? I've had both in the past but didn't look into that as I wasn't counting on them for that usage.
- You should really get some kind of special teams use out of your depth defensemen. Your top 4 is fine, but no way are they a strong enough group in an 18-team ATD to just run them out and bench the other guys like they're Dipenta and Huskins on the 2007 Ducks. Day on the PK seems like something you should try to work in there.
 

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- I think your forwards are in about the right arrangement - neither of the lines are particularly strong options as shutdown/matchup lines, but moving around a guy like Northcott would shortchange the line he's on. Your options are to ride with this group and roll lines, or find a gritty-in-the-corners 4LW to push Shutt into the pressbox. Either is a valid choice.
- Defense looks right.
- I like that you've got one forward on each unit who played point (Bentley) or a high flank (Malkin)
- Did Perreault and Yakushev PK? I've had both in the past but didn't look into that as I wasn't counting on them for that usage.
- You should really get some kind of special teams use out of your depth defensemen. Your top 4 is fine, but no way are they a strong enough group in an 18-team ATD to just run them out and bench the other guys like they're Dipenta and Huskins on the 2007 Ducks. Day on the PK seems like something you should try to work in there.
Did Doug Bentley play point? I know Max did but didn't know his brother did as well.
 

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Did Doug Bentley play point? I know Max did but didn't know his brother did as well.

My impression is that they both did, and while I can't remember hearing this exactly, that would suggest the Hawks used a 5-forward PP with the Bentleys on the points.
"Max is the greatest player at the point position on power plays that I've ever seen" says Hap Day, assistant general-manager of the Leafs. "Max and Doug together make up the two best point men in the business."
 
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- Did Perreault and Yakushev PK? I've had both in the past but didn't look into that as I wasn't counting on them for that usage.

Yakushev did some penalty killing on the national team during his prime years but he was rarely one of the leaders on the team in shorthanded ice time.

When I did my Soviet penalty killing study I ranked Yakushev as the 11th best penalty killer among Soviet forwards during the 1970-1982 time frame. Among all Soviet forwards he probably would be just outside of the top 25 though. Study of the penalty killing of Soviet forwards during the 1960-1990 time frame

In a ATD setting I think that Yakushev probably would be in over his head as a first unit penalty killer and having him as a replacement penalty killer taking a shift here and there seems wiser in my opinion.
 
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My impression is that they both did, and while I can't remember hearing this exactly, that would suggest the Hawks used a 5-forward PP with the Bentleys on the points.

That Hap Day quote is from 1954, when Doug joined Max in New York for 20 games late in the season. At that point in their careers their main contribution was running the power play. NYR had a very strong PP that season, led by the veteran Max and a rookie PP specialist.

https://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?report=powerplay&reportType=game&dateFrom=1954-01-20&dateTo=1954-03-14&gameType=2&playerPlayedFor=franchise.10&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=ppPoints&page=0&pageSize=50
 

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Any thoughts on the lines?

Coach: Fred Shero

Alexander Yakushev --- Sidney Crosby (C) --- Jaromir Jagr
Doug Bentley --- Evgeni Malkin --- Bill Mosienko
Baldy Northcott --- Gilbert Perreault --- Ziggy Palffy
Steve Shutt --- Joe Primeau --- Frank Finnigan

Borje Salming - Art Coulter (A)
Scott Niedermayer (A) - Sylvio Mantha
Hap Day - Bullet Joe Simpson

Terry Sawchuk

XXX


PP1: Salming --- Palffy --- Malkin --- Crosby --- Jagr
PP2: Niedermayer --- Mosienko --- Bentley --- Perreault --- Yakushev
PK1: Niedermayer --- Coulter --- Northcott --- Yakushev
PK2: Salming --- Mantha --- Perreault --- Bentley

TBH, Bullet Joe Simpson might be your best PPQB. Salming and Niedermayer were both kind of even strength specialists.
 

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Thought I'd post my current setup and give some of my ideas to get some feedback.

First Line:
Valeri Kharlamov-Wayne Gretzky(C)-Boris Mikhailov
Second Line: Bill Barber-Bill Cowley-Vladimir Martinec
Third Line: Reg Noble(A)-Nels Stewart-Vaclav Nedomansky
Fourth Line: John Tonelli-Cooney Weiland-Bobby Rousseau

First Pair: Rod Langway(A)-Al MacInnis
Second Pair: Tom Johnson-Alexei Kasatonov
Third Pair: Alexander Ragulin-Joe Hall

First PP Unit: Kharlamov-Gretzky-Mikhailov-Noble-MacInnis
Second PP Unit: Barber-Cowley-Martinec-Stewart-Kasatonov

First PK Unit: Gretzky-Mikhailov-Langway-MacInnis
Second PK Unit: Weiland-Barber-Johnson-Hall

In a sense, "second line" and "third line" isn't really accurate. My intent is for those lines to function more as 2A and 2B. In cases where offense is needed more, the line labelled as second will gain ice time at the expense of the labelled third line. In cases where defense is needed more, the reverse will be the case.

As for letters, Gretzky with the C makes the most sense to me, but I'm not entirely set on the A's, largely because I know Mikhailov could easily wear one. In fact, if he weren't on a line with Gretzky, he'd almost surely wear one, though for obvious reasons, I don't want two letters on the same line. I'm open to ideas related to that.

I'm definitely interested in input on PP QB's. I felt that Noble made sense since he did play some defense, and he's on the left side anyway, while my most obvious powerplay defensemen are both RD's. I'm not going to claim that Stewart was more than a gut instinct. That basically came down to my feeling that his offensive abilities would be a threat when added to three already potent forwards, and he was a left shot, which again, feels more ideal, with his being alongside an RD in Kasatonov.
 

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I'm definitely interested in input on PP QB's. I felt that Noble made sense since he did play some defense, and he's on the left side anyway, while my most obvious powerplay defensemen are both RD's. I'm not going to claim that Stewart was more than a gut instinct. That basically came down to my feeling that his offensive abilities would be a threat when added to three already potent forwards, and he was a left shot, which again, feels more ideal, with his being alongside an RD in Kasatonov.

You're pretty much stuck with 1 D per untit. Al MacInnis is obviously the PP1 QB. Alex Kasatonov has to take the spot on PP2.

Noble isn't good enough offensively to deserve a spot on either unit, and Stewart absolutely has to be your net front presence.

Bobby Rousseau was a pretty good point man on the PP.
 

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