seventieslord
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I PMd him after I picked Geoffrion, so it has been a while. My guess is he's not around.
ATD #9 Part I
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I PMd him after I picked Geoffrion, so it has been a while. My guess is he's not around.
EagleBelfour
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Wow! He went 77 in ATD #8. There are 7 centers I would have taken first.
Perreauly is an mazing hockey player. Number #50 on the Hockey News list. There's only one center I would for sure take before him. Two others are close.
seventieslord
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Wow! He went 77 in ATD #8. There are 7 centers I would have taken first.
And that was a damn good pick !
seventieslord
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I must agree.
At the time I used his pick as evidence that my own 3rd rounder was a steal. Based on previous draft history, he was, (latest he was ever picked) but not based on comparison to Perreault, who went 20-30 spots late. I wish I took Perreault; things could have been a lot different.
Keep in mind the team you were facing. It would have taken a lot more than a Perreault over some other guy pick for you to beat that powerful first round opponent.
seventieslord
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Oh, I know that, believe me. I'm kinda wishfully thinking that I may have gone in a better direction had I started with Perreault, and therefore would have placed higher and not faced you and raleh. Revisionist history at best...
Nalyd Psycho
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Apologies for the delays, I work late and was unable to handle the trade offers until after everyone else had gone to bed.
As for Earl Seibert, I could not possibly be happier with this pick. He's a guy I've wanted since I started in the ATD. I'm a huge fan of rugged defensive d-men with mobility and Earl is truly elite in that company. And I'm glad to contribute to his rising draft profile. I personally see him as a bigger Chris Chelios. And I always like getting a right handed point shot early.
I'm so pleased with the pick that I'm naming him 1st alternate captain.
As for Earl Seibert, I could not possibly be happier with this pick. He's a guy I've wanted since I started in the ATD. I'm a huge fan of rugged defensive d-men with mobility and Earl is truly elite in that company. And I'm glad to contribute to his rising draft profile. I personally see him as a bigger Chris Chelios. And I always like getting a right handed point shot early.
I'm so pleased with the pick that I'm naming him 1st alternate captain.
Nalyd Psycho
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To be honest, it wasn't the talent that hurt you in my eyes, I just didn't feel you had a cohesive team. Which is absolutly the hardest thing to achieve as a rookie, I know this.
Sturminator
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I was pretty sure you'd go with Seibert there, though I thought MacInnis was also a possibility, speaking of point shots...
Incidentally, I think ATD#8 is probably the last time we'll see Seibert outside of the top 50.
Nalyd Psycho
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MacInnis was plan B and Horton plan C. Plan D was to trade down because we could not meet our needs without one of those 3.
Sturminator
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We know each other too well, though I honestly wasn't sure who you were trading up for when you took Beliveau, perhaps because we never really discussed picks in that range. Did you have a good read on who I'd take with those first two picks?
Man, 10 defensemen taken in the first half of the 2nd round. Well...fair enough, locking in a #1 defenseman is very important, and there's a pretty meaningful dropoff from the last guy in that 2nd round tier (actually, I think there are a couple of tiers here) and the next best defenseman.
Apologies for the delays, I work late and was unable to handle the trade offers until after everyone else had gone to bed.
As for Earl Seibert, I could not possibly be happier with this pick. He's a guy I've wanted since I started in the ATD. I'm a huge fan of rugged defensive d-men with mobility and Earl is truly elite in that company. And I'm glad to contribute to his rising draft profile. I personally see him as a bigger Chris Chelios. And I always like getting a right handed point shot early.
I'm so pleased with the pick that I'm naming him 1st alternate captain.
I have him a definite stage below Chelios. Chelios was a first team allstar 5 times in an incredibly deep era. Seibert made it in 1935, and then was a second-team guy every season until the war years. 10 straight selections is a hell of an accomplishment and he certainly deserves to be picked where he was, but I have him the next tier below guys like Chelios, Fetisov, and Lidstrom.
Not to be a downer, I just have a big man-crush on Chris Chelios :thumbu.:
Sturminator
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I think they were fine picks where they went this time around, but I don't find the argument that they should go higher based on talent compelling, at all. These aren't all-star teams we're building.
Also, defending Guy Lafleur a bit, he was something that Esposito and Jagr were not: a complete offensive player (skater, stickhandler, passer, shooter) who carried a dynasty team offensively. Disco album aside, he was also never the off-ice headache that those two could be at times. Guy is better rounded than Esposito and more proven than Jagr.
Is Jagr as talented as Lafleur? Perhaps, but who cares? These aren't all-star teams. I'm not entirely convinced by the ATD canon that seems to place Guy Lafleur as the presumptive #10/#11 overall pick ahead of guys like Potvin, Hasek, etc., but he certainly belongs in that area of the draft and I'd never, ever consider taking Jagr that high.
Sturminator
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We've already beaten around the all-star voting before WWII issue a bit in the last draft, but it should be pointed out that Earl Seibert competed in an era of very stiff competition on the blueline, as well. Besides the already-drafted Shore and Clapper, there are quite a few more notable defensemen from Seibert's era.
On another note, I'm surprised that you lumped Chelios, Fetisov and Lidstrom into the same boat, as I've got them in three seperate tiers. Your man-lust for Big Ugly is noted. Chelios and Seibert...I see little to seperate them.
Nalyd Psycho
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Yeah, we had to sacrifice size up front last time, which is my biggest regret about our team and a mistake I wouldn't make again when the chance to trade up emerged. I personally think a high end combination of size, skill and toughness is the hardest thing to get, especially because many prospective candidates have health or skating issues. Beliveau and Schmidt are pretty much the only options without a fatal flaw. (Howe too, but he isn't really towering over d-men like Beliveau is.)
As for you, I was really curious to see if you'd trade down. When you took Dryden, I was not surprised at all. I remember that being a possible plan if we picked lower. In the second round I had no idea what you'd do, but I really like the Park pick.
Not like I passed on Chelios to grab him, so, no downer. I just see them as very comparable.
Sturminator
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I don't have any regrets about the Seals. There were a lot of GMs (including perhaps the two finalists) who thought we iced the best team last time around. I look back at the picks we made and can't find much we could have done better.
You know generally how I see the tiers of players. I think Brad Park is generally underrated because of a lack of Cups and Norris trophies and because only the old men can remember what a good argument it was at the time: Robinson or Park? I've got Robinson, Fetisov and Park by themselves in the next tier after the big 7 defensemen.
Well that, and I had to draft my obligatory underrated Ranger whose number still hasn't been retired. Sigh...
Nalyd Psycho
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I should note, by biggest regret, I mean only regret. I adore the defense we constructed and think our bottom 10 forwards were underrated. (Even accounting for our success.) I was just really hoping to get Gretzky a big LW but BM robbed us of that chance. I think the only thing working against us was some GMs forgetting that icing the best offensive team in a series is a good thing.
sturminator and nalyd, i was another who thought you should have won. i was very surprised when the seals lost.
Jungosi
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Still 13 picks left , until the Nordiques pick again. Well at least nobody has thought about taking our guy yet.
pappyline
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Why not start the clock tonight? I think most people are in the grove now. For those that aren't, they probably never will be. It might speed up some of these painfully long trade negotiations. I really don't see any benefit to waiting till Friday. Just my opinion.
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ck26
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I'm for it as well, but folks are going to say it's unfair to change the rules in the middle of the game.
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