ATD 2024 Draft Thread II

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ATD 2024: The 20th Anniversary Edition

The all-time draft is a what-if scenario, the counterfactual reasoning tool of the academic discipline of History. The greatest players of all time, from the amateur era to the NHL to the Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia, Sweden, WHA, etc are drafted BASED on their whole career. No peak vs. career; instead, peak and career, all considerations. A player who was injury prone will be no less so in an all-time competition.

GMs are encouraged to provide bio info like stats, quotes and/or comments when at the podium to announce their picks.

(NO MENTIONING UNDRAFTED PLAYERS!)

Note for new GMs:
Active players today in the 2023-2024 season are judged BASED on their career to date, meaning no projections of what he will do in the future, but instead: Imagine they suffered a freak career-ending accident the day you draft them.

The draft clock will begin Monday, February 5th at noon Eastern. The 1st round clock will be 24 hours long, dropping to 12 hours for round 2.

2). Time Limits.

24 hrs for round 1
12 for round 2
10 for rounds 3-10
8 for 11-14
6 for 15-20
4 for rest.

There will be 24 rounds, with 18 starting skaters, 2 goalies, a coach and three others for the bench. After the draft there will be votes tallied by an ex-ATDer or mod and a regular season standings list resulting. Then playoff match-ups.

Time Deductions
Voight -2 hour
The Macho Man -2 hour
Claude The Fraud -1 hour
ResilientBeast & rmartin65 -1 hour

Round 1:

1. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Bobby Orr, D
2. tony d - California Golden Seals - Gordie Howe, RW
3. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Wayne Gretzky, C
4. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Mario Lemieux, C
5. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Doug Harvey, D
6. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires- Jean Beliveau, C
7. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Raymond Bourque, D
8. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Nicklas Lidstrom, D
9. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Denis Potvin, D
10. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Eddie Shore, D
11. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Sidney Crosby, C
12. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Bobby Hull, LW
13. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Maurice Richard, RW
14. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Red Kelly, D/C
15. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Howie Morenz, C
16. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Connor McDavid, C
17. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Mark Messier, C
18. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Larry Robinson, D
19. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Dominik Hasek, G
20. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Patrick Roy, G
21. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Viacheslav Fetisov, D
22. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Jaromir Jagr, RW
23. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Guy Lafleur, RW

Round 2:

24. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Alexander Ovechkin, W
25. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Chris Chelios, D
26. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Sergei Makarov, RW
27. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Stan Mikita, C
28. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Brad Park, D
29. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Bobby Clarke, C
30. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Frank Nighbor, C
31. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Brian Leetch, D
32. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Paul Coffey, D
33. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Bryan Trottier, C
34. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Ted Lindsay, LW
35. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - King Clancy, D
36. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Jacques Plante, G
37. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Bill Cook, RW
38. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Joe Sakic, C
39. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Chris Pronger, D
40. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Phil Esposito, C
41. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Mike Bossy, RW
42. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Cyclone Taylor, C/D
43. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Al MacInnis, D
44. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Scott Stevens, D
45. tony d - California Golden Seals - Steve Yzerman, C
46. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Frank Boucher, C

Round 3:

47. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Charlie Conacher, RW
48. tony d - California Golden Seals - Sprague Cleghorn, D
49. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Zdeno Chara, D
50. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Pierre Pilote, D
51. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Martin Brodeur, G
52. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Earl Seibert, D
53. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Henri Richard, C
54. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Milt Schmidt, C
55. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Valeri Kharlamov, LW
56. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Peter Forsberg, C
57. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Tim Horton, D
58. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Glenn Hall, G
59. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Dit Clapper, D/RW
60. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Ken Dryden, G
61. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Bernie Geoffrion, RW
62. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Jari Kurri, RW
63. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Terry Sawchuk, G
64. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Newsy Lalonde, C
65. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Syl Apps, C
66. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Borje Salming, D
67. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Ted Kennedy, C
68. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Bill Gadsby, D
69. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Eddie Gerard, D/LW

Round 4:

70. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Victor Hedman, D
71. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Anatoli Firsov, LW
72. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Vladislav Tretiak, G
73. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Evgeni Malkin, C
74. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Duncan Keith, D
75. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Andy Bathgate, RW
76. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Cy Denneny, LW
77. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Drew Doughty, D
78. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Dickie Moore, LW
79. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Brett Hull, RW
80. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Serge Savard, D
81. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Elmer Lach, C
82. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Aurele Joliet, LW
83. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Sid Abel, C/LW
84. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Teemu Selanne, RW
85. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Boris Mikhailov, RW
86. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Erik Karlsson, D
87. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Mark Howe, D
88. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Nikita Kucherov, RW
89. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Jarome Iginla, RW
90. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Rob Blake, D
91. tony d - California Golden Seals - Sergei Fedorov, C
92. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Patrick Kane, RW

Round 5:

93. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Scott Niedermayer, D
94. tony d - California Golden Seals - Jack Stewart, D
95. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Pavel Bure, RW
96. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Rod Langway, D
97. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Guy Lapointe, D
98. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires- Toe Blake, LW
99. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Frank Mahovlich, LW
100. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Alex Delvecchio, LW/C
101. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Shea Weber, D
102. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Bill Quackenbush, D
103. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Marcel Pronovost, D
104. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Martin St. Louis, RW
105. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Frank Brimsek, G
106. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Georges Boucher, D
107. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Valeri Vasiliev, D
108. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Johnny Bucyk, LW
109. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Jacques Laperriere, D
110. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Georges Vezina, G
111. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Ivan Johnson, D
112. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Alexei Kasatonov, D
113. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Vladimir Krutov, LW
114. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Ebbie Goodfellow, D/C
115. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Norm Ullman, C

Round 6:

116. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Alexander Maltsev, C/RW
117. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Marcel Dionne, C
118. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Doug Bentley, LW/C
119. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Tommy Phillips, LW
120. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Brad Marchand, LW
121. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Hod Stuart, D
122. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Moose Johnson, D
123. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Bryan Hextall Sr, RW
124. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS- Joe Malone, C
125. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Brendan Shanahan, LW
126. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Harry Cameron, D
127. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Lionel Conacher, D
128. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Eric Lindros, C
129. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Charlie Gardiner, G
130. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Doug Gilmour, C
131. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - JC Tremblay, D
132. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Busher Jackson, LW
133. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Henrik Zetterberg, LW/C
134. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Sweeney Schriner, LW
135. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - John Leclair, LW
136. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Dave Keon, C
137. tony d - California Golden Seals - Syd Howe, LW/C
138. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Hooley Smith, C/RW

Round 7:

139. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Art Coulter, D
140. tony d - California Golden Seals - Turk Broda, G
141. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Patrice Bergeron, C
142. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Marian Hossa, RW
143. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Russell Bowie, C
144. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Ed Belfour, G
145. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Clint Benedict, G
146. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Bill Durnan, G
147. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Mark Recchi, RW
148. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Vladimir Martinec, RW
149. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Cam Neely, RW
150. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Bert Olmstead, LW
151. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Max Bentley, C
152. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Nathan Mackinnon, C
153. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Daniel Alfredsson, RW
154. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Emile Bouchard, D
155. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Babe Siebert, D/LW
156. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Paul Kariya, LW
157. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Pavel Datsyuk, C
158. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Rick Middleton, RW
159. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Jan Suchy, D
160. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Ron Francis, C
161. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Mike Modano, C

Round 8:

162. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Jonathan Toews, C
163. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Nels Stewart, C/LW
164. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Frantisek Pospisil, D
165. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Lanny McDonald, RW
166. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Bob Gainey, LW
167. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Sylvio Mantha, D
168. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Tom Johnson, D
169. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Patrik Elias, LW
170. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Larry Murphy, D
171. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Harry Howell, D
172. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Anze Kopitar, C
173. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Carl Brewer, D
174. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Bill White, D
175. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Baldy Northcott, LW
176. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Luc Robitaille, LW
177. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Bill Cowley, C
178. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Ken Reardon. D
179. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Frank Fredrickson, C
180. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Lester Patrick, D
181. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Michel Goulet, LW
182. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Alexander Yakushev, LW
183. tony d - California Golden Seals - Sergei Zubov, D
184. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Jamie Benn, LW

Round 9:

185. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Allan Stanley, D
186. tony d - California Golden Seals - Roy Conacher, LW
187. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Yvan Cournoyer, RW
188. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Rod Brind'amour, C/LW
189. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Paul Thompson, LW
190. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Brent Burns, D/RW
191. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Fern Flaman, D
192. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Frank Foyston, LW/C
193. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Alex Pietrangelo, D
194. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Peter Stastny, C
195. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Woody Dumart, LW
196. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Cecil Dillon, RW
197. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Frank McGee, C
198. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Scotty Bowman, coach
199. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Adam Oates, C
200. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Steven Stamkos, C/RW
201. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Bob Pulford, LW/C
202. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Reg Noble, LW/C
203. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Alf Smith, RW
204. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Cale Makar, D
205. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Al Arbour, Coach
206. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - George Armstrong, RW
207. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Jimmy Thomson, D

Round 10:

208. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Roman Josi, D
209. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Toe Blake, Coach
210. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Vladimir Petrov, C
211. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Weldy Young, D
212. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Claude Provost, RW
213. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Doug Wilson, D
214. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Didier Pitre, RW/D
215. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Bernie Parent, G
216. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Herb Gardiner, D
217. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Keith Tkachuk, LW
218. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Theoren Fleury, RW
219. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Jean Ratelle, C
220. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Babe Dye, RW
221. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Lester Patrick, Coach
222. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Vladimir Konstantinov, D
223. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Brad McCrimmon, D
224. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Rod Gilbert, RW
225. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Dany Heatley, W
226. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Harvey Pulford, D
227. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Johnny Bower, G
228. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Eric Desjardins, D
229. tony d - California Golden Seals - Steve Larmer, RW
230. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Joe Thornton, C

Round 11:

231. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Tommy Ivan, coach
232. tony d - California Golden Seals - Red Horner, D
233. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Bill Barber, LW
234. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Mats Sundin, C
235. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Marty Barry, C
236. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Jacques Lemaire, C
237. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Glen Sather, coach
238. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Helmuts Balderis, RW
239. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Tony Esposito, G
240. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Derian Hatcher, D
241. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Auston Matthews, C
242. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Lionel Hitchman, D
243. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - George Hay, LW
244. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Hap Day, D
245. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Hugh Lehman, G
246. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Jon Cooper, coach
247. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Punch Broadbent, RW
248. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Guy Carbonneau, C
249. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Jack Crawford, D
250. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Markus Naslund, LW
251. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Igor Larionov, C
252. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Corey Perry, RW
253. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Hap Day, Coach

Round 12:

254. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Andrei Vasilevskiy, G
255. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Jack Campbell, D
256. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Sergei Gonchar, D
257. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Cooney Weiland, C
258. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Mike Gartner, RW
259. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Fred Shero, coach
260. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Herbie Lewis, LW
261. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Art Ross, D
262. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Jere Lehtinen, RW/LW
263. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Rick Tocchet, RW
264. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Dave Taylor, RW
265. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Marty Pavelich, LW
266. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Pat Stapleton, D
267. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Jiri Holik, LW
268. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Ryan Getzlaf, C
269. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Anatoly Tarasov, coach
270. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Gordie Drillon, RW
271. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Mickey Mackay, C/RW
272. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Bernie Morris, RW/C
273. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Vladimir Lutchenko, D
274. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Billy Smith, G
275. tony d - California Golden Seals - Craig Ramsay, LW
276. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Gordon Roberts, RW

Round 13:

277. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Grant Fuhr, G
278. tony d - California Golden Seals - Tommy Gorman, coach
279. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Claude Giroux, C/LW
280. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Jack Walker, C/LW
281. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Tony Leswick, RW/LW
282. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires- Ryan Suter, D
283. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Duke Keats, C
284. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Johnny Gottselig, LW
285. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Ryan Kesler, C/RW
286. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Joe Simpson, D
287. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Dean Prentice, LW
288. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Vyacheslav Starshinov, C
289. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Alex Ragulin, D
290. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Darryl Sittler, C
291. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Pete Green, coach
292. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Nicklas Backstrom, C
293. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Don Marshall, LW/C
294. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Glenn Anderson, W
295. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Jeremy Roenick, C
296. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Ace Bailey, RW
297. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Vaclav Nedomansky, C/RW
298. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Bun Cook, LW
299. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Larry Aurie, RW

Round 14:

300. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - John Tonelli, LW
301. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Ralph Backstrom C
302. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Ed WestFall, RW
303. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Dick Irvin Sr, Coach
304. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Ilya Kovalchuk, W
305. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Brian Propp, LW
306. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Leon Draisaitl, C
307. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Bobby Rousseau, RW
308. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Esa Tikkanen, LW
309. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Clark Gillies, LW
310. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Cecil Hart, coach
311. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - John Madden, C/LW
312. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Mike Peca, C
313. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Neil Colville, C
314. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Kris Letang, D
315. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Pit Lepine, C
316. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Joe Klukay, W
317. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Bob Goldham, D
318. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Claude Lemieux, RW
319. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Dave Poulin, C
320. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Zigmund Palffy, RW
321. tony d - California Golden Seals - Moose Vasko, D
322. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Jim Schoenfeld, D

Round 15:

323. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Artemi Panarin, LW
324. tony d - California Golden Seals - Gilbert Perreault, C
325. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Pat Burns, coach
326. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Gus Mortson, D
327. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Mike Grant, D
328. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Smokey Harris, LW
329. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - David Pastrnak, RW
330. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Cy Wentworth, D
331. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Wayne Cashman, W
332. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Jimmy Ward, RW
333. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Adam Foote, D
334. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Teppo Numminen, D
335. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Sergei Kapustin, LW
336. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Flash Hollet, D
337. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Alexander Mogilny, RW
338. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Don Luce, C
339. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Babe Pratt, D
340. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Dale Hawerchuk, C
341. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Bobby Baun, D
342. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Joe Hall, D
343. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Eric Nesterenko, RW
344. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Nick Metz, LW/C
345. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Steve Shutt, LW

Round 16:

346. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Joe Pavelski, C/RW
347. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Henrik Lundqvist, G
348. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Red Dutton, D
349. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Dave Andreychuk, LW
350. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Ryan O'Reilly, C
351. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Frank Finnigan, RW
352. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Jack Darragh, RW
353. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Don Marcotte, F
354. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Kevin Lowe, D
355. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mark Giordano, D
356. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Frank Patrick, D
357. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Joe Mullen, RW
358. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Dirk Graham, RW
359. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Kevin Hatcher, D
360. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Phil Housley, D
361. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Reggie Leach, RW
362. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Joel Otto, C
363. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Vincent Damphousse, LW/C
364. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Bobby Bauer, RW
365. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Zach Parise, LW
366. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Pat Lafontaine, C
367. tony d - California Golden Seals - Tony Amonte, RW
368. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Ken Mosdell, C

Round 17:

369. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Dan Boyle, D
370. tony d - California Golden Seals - Steve Kasper, C
371. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - John Carlson, D
372. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Art Ross, coach
373. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Punch Imlach, coach
374. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Barry Trotz, coach
375. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Mark Stone, RW
376. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Edgar Laprade, C
377. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Rene Robert, RW
378. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Matthew Tkachuk, LW
379. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Lloyd Cook, D
380. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Joel Quenneville, coach
381. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Allan Cameron, D
382. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mitch Marner, RW
383. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Ted Green, D
384. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Bill Hajt, D
385. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Blake Wheeler, RW
386. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Rusty Crawford, F/D
387. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Ken Hitchcock, coach
388. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Jerry Toppazzini, RW
389. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Gary Roberts, LW
390. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Art Duncan, D
391. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Roy Worters, G

Round 18:

392. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Aleksander Barkov, C
393. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Brian Rolston, F
394. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Derek Sanderson, C
395. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Jiri Holecek, G
396. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Bob Nevin, RW
397. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Peter Bondra, RW
398. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Joe Nieuwendyk, C
399. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Kevin Stevens, LW
400. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Doug Jarvis, C
401. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mats Naslund, LW/C
402. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - George Hainsworth, G
403. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Tim Kerr, RW
404. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Daniel Sedin, LW
405. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Connor Hellebuyck, G
406. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Darryl Sutter, coach
407. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Owen Nolan, RW
408. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Roberto Luongo, G
409. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Doug Mohns, D/LW
410. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Jack Marshall, D/C
411. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Brian Rafalski, D
412. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Gary Suter, D
413. tony d - California Golden Seals - Curtis Joseph, G
414. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Vic Stasiuk, W

Round 19:

415. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Blair Russel, LW
416. tony d - California Golden Seals - Jiri Bubla, D
417. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Ed Litzenberger, RW/C
418. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Vladimir Vikulov, C/RW
419. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Bob Bourne, F
420. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Gilles Tremblay, LW
421. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - PK Subban, D
422. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Dick Duff, LW
423. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Denis Savard, C
424. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Leo Reise Jr, D
425. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Roger Neilson, coach
426. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Rick Nash, LW
427. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Dolly Swift, F
428. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Brent Sutter, C
429. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Pekka Rinne, G
430. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Floyd Curry, RW
431. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Leo Boivin, D
432. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Ryan McDonagh, D
433. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Gump Worsley, G
434. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Butch Goring, C
435. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Mike Ramsey, D
436. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Eddie Oatman, RW/D
437. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Terry Harper, D

Round 20:

438. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Jim Neilson, D
439. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Rod Flett, D
440. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Tiny Thompson, G
441. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Vitali Davydov, D
442. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Mark Tinordi, D
443. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Ott Heller, D
444. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Gennadiy Tsygankov, D
445. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Brent Seabrook, D
446. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Patrick Sharp, W
447. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Brad Richards, C/RW
448. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Red Sullivan, C
449. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Brian Campbell, D
450. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Shane Doan, RW
451. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Dan Bain, C
452. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Taylor Hall, LW
453. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Jean-Guy Talbot, D
454. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Glen Harmon, D
455. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Ken Randall, RW/D
456. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Fleming Mackell, F
457. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Carey Price, G
458. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Wendel Clark, LW
459. tony d - California Golden Seals - Danny Gare, RW
460. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Hap Holmes, G

Round 21:

461. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Scotty Davidson, F
462. tony d - California Golden Seals - Jimmy Watson, D
463. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Jonathan Quick, G
464. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Sid Smith, LW
465. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Si Griffis, D/C
466. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Eddie Giacomin, G
467. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Rick Martin, LW
468. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Harry Lumley, G
469. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Miikka Kiprusoff, G
470. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Phil Watson, C/RW
471. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Odie Cleghorn, RW
472. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Ben Bishop, G
473. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Marian Gaborik, RW
474. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Alec Connell, G
475. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Charlie Simmer, LW
476. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Tuukka Rask, G
477. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Terry O'Reilly, RW
478. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Dickie Boon, D
479. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Tommy Dunderdale, C
480. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Brian Sutter, LW
481. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Kirk Muller, LW/C
482. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Chuck Rayner, G
483. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Bob Davidson, LW

Round 22:

484. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Barry Beck, D
485. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Billy Reay, coach
486. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Kent Nilsson, C
487. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Rat Westwick, F
488. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Gabriel Landeskog, LW
489. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Tom Barrasso, G
490. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Peter Laviolette, coach
491. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Dustin Byfuglien, D/F
492. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Adam Fox, D
493. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Wally Stanowski, D
494. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Shirley Davidson, F
495. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Vincent Lecavalier, C
496. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Marc-André Fleury, G
497. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Andrei Markov, D
498. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Bernie Federko, C
499. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Wade Redden, D
500. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Henrik Sedin, C
501. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Ernie Russell, RW/C
502. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Bob Johnson, coach
503. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Pierre Turgeon, C (Dropped for Dale Hunter)
504. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Justin Williams, RW
505. tony d - California Golden Seals - Patrick Marleau, LW/C
506. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmead Lunas - Lennart Svedberg, D

Round 23:

507. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - David Backes, C/RW
508. tony d - California Golden Seals - John Tavares, C
509. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Milan Novy, C
510. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Robert Svehla, D
511. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Percy LeSueur, G
512. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Sandis Ozolinsh, D
513. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Willie Mitchell, D
514. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Arkady Chernyshev, coach
515. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Steve Duchesne, D
516. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Bobby Holik, C
517. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Camille Henry, LW/C
518. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Albert Leduc, D
519. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Fred Higginbotham, D
520. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Jordan Staal, C/RW
521. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Johnny Gaudreau, LW
522. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Trevor Linden, C/RW
523. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Joe Primeau, C
524. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Ken Hodge, RW
525. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Bucko McDonald, D
526. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Viktor Kuzkin, D
527. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Randy Carlyle, D
528. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Marty Walsh, C
529. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Walt Tkaczuk, C

Round 24:

530. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Réjean Houle, F
531. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Walter Smaill, D/LW/C
532. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Pat Verbeek, RW
533. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Bob McDougall, F
534. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Sebastian Aho, LW/C
535. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Alex Kovalev, RW
536. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Rogatien Vachon, G
537. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Bobby Rowe, D/RW
538. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Kris Draper, C
539. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Gaye Stewart, F
540. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Chauncey Kirby, F
541. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Ondrej Palat, LW
542. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Hamby Shore, D
543. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Brady Tkachuk, LW
544. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Doug Weight, C
545. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Ron Ellis, RW
546. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Mikko Rantanen, RW
547. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Eric Staal, C/LW
548. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Jack Adams, C/LW
549. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Phil Kessel, RW
550. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Carol Vadnais, D
551. tony d - California Golden Seals - Todd Bertuzzi, W
552. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmead Lunas - Mitch Korn, goalie coach

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[Hawkey Town 18]

Sure but unlike some other goalies selected already, Lundqvist didn't have the advantage of back stopping a dynasty...he's by no means a bad playoff performer

Not bad, but also not especially good either right?

Some of those goalies that were taken before him weren't just serviceable in front of a great team, they were clear Conn Smythe winners.

 

[Habsfan18]

I hope you guys have a minutes chart so we can see how many minutes your coach would plan to deploy Draisaitl. It's a sexy name for the bottom line sure, but by far not as impactful as Lundqvist

10 seasons into his career, one of the best players of his era, has led the playoffs in both assists and goals, a Hart, Art Ross and Lindsay. Absolute money on the powerplay. His peak is probably higher than the majority of the players picked over the past few rounds. I know you know all this, but he’s perfectly fine as a 4th liner and a PP specialist at this point.

I’m sure we’ll have a minutes chart.

 

[VanIslander]

Not bad, but also not especially good either right?

Some of those goalies that were taken before him weren't just serviceable in front of a great team, they were clear Conn Smythe winners.

Lundqvist lost to XXX in his one Stanley Cup Finals run. His career was very good but disappointing. He is the goalie equivalent of a Marcel Dionne.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Lundqvist lost to XXX in his one Stanley Cup Finals run. His career was very good but disappointing. He is the goalie equivalent of a Marcel Dionne.

Ladies and gentlemen, we've had our shitty VanI take of the day (siren noises)

He lost to a superior LA Kings team yes, but he was the biggest reason his team made it to the Cup Finals. Dude can't also score goals for them.

Edit: Honestly if this is the biggest dig you've got at him that's great. He lost to a team has already had two ATD players drafted in Kopitar and Doughty. How many members of that 2014 Rangers team is going to get selected in this besides Lundqvist? (Hint a 38 year old Martin St. Louis won't move the needle much)

 

[ResilientBeast]

Not bad, but also not especially good either right?

Some of those goalies that were taken before him weren't just serviceable in front of a great team, they were clear Conn Smythe winners.

Again, part of that is opportunity which behind a meh to pretty good Rangers team he didn't get more than one shot at a cup . If that Rangers team had been good enough to win a Cup he absolutely would've been a factor in the Conn Smythe.

 

[VanIslander]

Wow. Personal insults? RB? Really?

Ladies and gentlemen, we've had our shitty VanI take of the day (siren noises)

This is INSULT of the year material on the otherwise usually respectful ATD forum.

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

Again, part of that is opportunity which behind a meh to pretty good Rangers team he didn't get more than one shot at a cup . If that Rangers team had been good enough to win a Cup he absolutely would've been a factor in the Conn Smythe.

First, I do not at all agree with Marcel Dionne comparison.

I do remember him being good in 2014. The Rangers also finished 2nd in the East that year, so it's not like he was carrying a bad team. I just don't remember him really stealing many series in his career, and he had a lot of playoff games. I also don't remember him blowing any series, just kind of performing as expected. I also don't remember him being particularly great in the Gold Medal Olympics run (again, not bad either). My memory isn't perfect, maybe this calls for a more in depth analysis, if you guys are up for it?

 

[VanIslander]

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[ResilientBeast]

First, I do not at all agree with Marcel Dionne comparison.

I do remember him being good in 2014. The Rangers also finished 2nd in the East that year, so it's not like he was carrying a bad team. I just don't remember him really stealing many series in his career, and he had a lot of playoff games. I also don't remember him blowing any series, just kind of performing as expected. I also don't remember him being particularly great in the Gold Medal Olympics run (again, not bad either). My memory isn't perfect, maybe this calls for a more in depth analysis, if you guys are up for it?

He was on a meh offensive team, 18th in goals for, 4th in goals against in the regular season, the leading scorer on the team had 59 points.

In that playoff run:
The LA Kings played 26 games and scored 88 goals - 3.38 goals/game
The New York Rangers played 25 games and scored 64 goals - 2.56 goals/game

A difference of 0.8 goals per game. Lundqvist's GAA during that run was 2.14

So Lundqvist is managing to only allow only 2 goals per game, but is against an opponent who was capable through the playoffs of scoring almost 1 more goal than his own team.

Edit: Again name another ATD relevant player on that team who was at their peak. I don't understand what more Lundqvist is supposed to do?

 

[tony d]

I have Perreault and was glad to get him but Lundqvist is a great pick as well. Surprised he didn’t go sooner.

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

He was on a meh offensive team, 18th in goals for, 4th in goals against in the regular season, the leading scorer on the team had 59 points.

In that playoff run:
The LA Kings played 26 games and scored 88 goals - 3.38 goals/game
The New York Rangers played 25 games and scored 64 goals - 2.56 goals/game

A difference of 0.8 goals per game. Lundqvist's GAA during that run was 2.14

So Lundqvist is managing to only allow only 2 goals per game, but is against an opponent who was capable through the playoffs of scoring almost 1 more goal than his own team.

Edit: Again name another ATD relevant player on that team who was at their peak. I don't understand what more Lundqvist is supposed to do?

I feel like you misread or misinterpreted my post. I said he was good that year and the Rangers weren’t bad, which is true. This wasn’t Brodeur carrying the Devils to the Finals against the Kings, that was a bad team. And I’ll give you one more, they beat the 1st place Pens in the playoffs that year. I also didn’t say they should’ve beat the Kings, everyone knew the WCF was the real Cup Final that year. I also don’t remember him stealing any games to make it a closer series than it should’ve been, sometimes you will see that in a mismatched series.

Anyway, the focus of my post was about his playoff career as a whole, not 2014

 

[ResilientBeast]

I feel like you misread or misinterpreted my post. I said he was good that year and the Rangers weren’t bad, which is true. This wasn’t Brodeur carrying the Devils to the Finals against the Kings, that was a bad team. And I’ll give you one more, they beat the 1st place Pens in the playoffs that year. I also didn’t say they should’ve beat the Kings, everyone knew the WCF was the real Cup Final that year. I also don’t remember him stealing any games to make it a closer series than it should’ve been, sometimes you will see that in a mismatched series.

Anyway, the focus of my post was about his playoff career as a whole, not 2014

Ignoring the sensationalistic tone from the article I posted during the pick. He's clearly a clutch performer but he can only affect half the game.

https://thehockeynews.com/news/why-henrik-lundqvist-is-the-greatest-game-7-goaltender-in-history

After Wednesday night’s victory over the Washington Capitals, Lundqvist now has a career Game 7 record of 6-1 to go along with remarkable stats in those games. In Game 7s, Lundqvist’s goals-against average is 0.97 and save percentage is .962. That’s not to mention he has one shutout and has only allowed more than one goal against in a Game 7 once, and that was his only loss. Compared to the greats, Lundqvist is the most clutch Game 7 goaltender of all-time.

Edit: HT I realize my posts are half screaming into the void with some posters and half replying to you

 

[ResilientBeast]

I also don’t remember him stealing any games to make it a closer series than it should’ve been, sometimes you will see that in a mismatched series.

To that specific point game 4

The Rangers score 2 goals on 19 total shots

Lundqvist allows 1 goal on 41 shots

Edit: And game 5

To try and fight another day, the Rangers take 28 total shots, the Kings took 48. The Rangers end up losing in double OT handing the Kings the cup.

 

[Dr John Carlson]

As a Capitals fan who dealt with him for like 20 playoff series during the Ovechkin era, I can vouch that Lundqvist was the man in the postseason.

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

Ignoring the sensationalistic tone from the article I posted during the pick. He's clearly a clutch performer but he can only affect half the game.

https://thehockeynews.com/news/why-henrik-lundqvist-is-the-greatest-game-7-goaltender-in-history



Edit: HT I realize my posts are half screaming into the void with some posters and half replying to you

That Game 7 record is nice, it needs some context and I think looking at all games facing elimination is a better exercise but it’s a nice start.

I wish I could continue this, but I’m getting ready to go out for the night (and getting yelled at for taking to long lol). I will give some more thoughts tomorrow including why I took Vasilevskiy over Lundqvist and some of the others (part of it is team fit). FWIW if I had been in your spot at this point in the draft Lundqvist is definitely who I would’ve taken.

Glad to see us finally getting some good debate. I think BB said this earlier, there used to be a lot more criticism and discussion in the draft. Sometimes it leads to someone getting really pissed off but a lot of times it leads to us all learning more about the players being discussed.

 

[tinyzombies]

As a Capitals fan who dealt with him for like 20 playoff series during the Ovechkin era, I can vouch that Lundqvist was the man in the postseason.

2nd best GSAA goalie of his era by a fairly wide margin.

 

[BenchBrawl]

If we look at the top 200 list, Lundqvist was ranked noticeably higher. And higher than several previously drafted goalies.

"Arguments by project ranking" really have to stop in the ATD.

It has no meaning.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Personally, I don't think Lundqvist was the best goalie available, but he was certainly in the ballpark and is good value.

But to claim he was by far the best player selected for several rounds is ridiculous.

 

[rmartin65]

"Arguments by project ranking" really have to stop in the ATD.

It has no meaning.

Why? They shouldn’t be the only argument, but I think they have a place here. You claimed Lundqvist wasn’t the best player drafted recently, and pointed to a recently drafted player. I noted that Lundqvist was voted as being better than said player just a couple years ago.

That doesn’t necessarily make Lundqvist a better pick than GP, but it is a data point suggesting he was the better player.

 

[ResilientBeast]

"Arguments by project ranking" really have to stop in the ATD.

It has no meaning.

Please keep this same energy when other people do it too.

I only referenced it because it was explicitly referenced on a recent pick

Edit: If there's one position where it makes sense though it's a goaltenders

 

[BraveCanadian]

I'm torn because I do agree that some players are unfortunate and don't have the benefit of timing to be on a great team and win a Cup. Do I think Lundqvist could win a few rings behind the 70s Habs? Yeah, if I was a betting man I would make that bet. On the other hand, drafting a player that was a significant part of winning a Cup (or more) proves they can do it.

My son was hoping we'd draft a certain recent goalie who didn't win, and I told him that I preferred to draft a guy who had won between the pipes just to avoid any question of whether they could.

 

[ResilientBeast]

On the other hand, drafting a player that was a significant part of winning a Cup (or more) proves they can do it.

Sure but in this case, he was on a team that was proven capable of making the cup finals largely on his back. He's the only member of that team in his prime who will be drafted in this ATD, against 2-3 ATD relevant players (Kopitar and Doughty have been long since selected).

HT referenced the 2012 Devils already, besides Brodeur they had both Kovalchuk and Elias as ATD relevant players. Lundqvist never had the same support in his prime from the offense.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Why? They shouldn’t be the only argument, but I think they have a place here. You claimed Lundqvist wasn’t the best player drafted recently, and pointed to a recently drafted player. I noted that Lundqvist was voted as being better than said player just a couple years ago.

That doesn’t necessarily make Lundqvist a better pick than GP, but it is a data point suggesting he was the better player.

if you guys think Lundqvist is better than Perreault, then make the case directly. Using a proxy by some random consensus from the HoH forum is not an argument. The projects are great for the research but the final lists are next to worthless in my view.

Anyway, this is all moot. I think Lundqvist is a fine pick here, and I wouldn't have said anything of RB didn't go overboard with his claims.

Another thing, even if Lundqvist was really the best player drafted for several rounds, it would be meaningless information considering goalies are a parallel position that play for 60 minutes a game, and thus the comparative advantage or disadvantage they have can't be compared to that of skaters.

Please keep this same energy when other people do it too.

I only referenced it because it was explicitly referenced on a recent pick

Edit: If there's one position where it makes sense though it's a goaltenders

I'm 99.9999% sure this isn't the first time I am publicly against such arguments.

 

[jigglysquishy]

I think the HoH lists provide immense value, but their value here is limited (though obviously not zero). The core problem is the projects value different things.

Everybody needs 8 wingers here, but only 4 centres (plus spares). But centre is a deeper position so you get the mishmash of good centres going after poor wingers. That's not even getting into fit or defensive play. We are intentionally picking guys to be 4th liners.

Goalies are especially weird. I think Lundqvist is fine as a starter, but a low end one for sure. But everyone needs a starter and that won't necessarily align with how the HoH goes.

 

[tinyzombies]

I'm torn because I do agree that some players are unfortunate and don't have the benefit of timing to be on a great team and win a Cup. Do I think Lundqvist could win a few rings behind the 70s Habs? Yeah, if I was a betting man I would make that bet. On the other hand, drafting a player that was a significant part of winning a Cup (or more) proves they can do it.

My son was hoping we'd draft a certain recent goalie who didn't win, and I told him that I preferred to draft a guy who had won between the pipes just to avoid any question of whether they could.

A lot of goalies in history could’ve padded their résumé on that team.

if you guys think Lundqvist is better than Perreault, then make the case directly. Using a proxy by some random consensus from the HoH forum is not an argument. The projects are great for the research but the final lists are next to worthless in my view.

Anyway, this is all moot. I think Lundqvist is a fine pick here, and I wouldn't have said anything of RB didn't go overboard with his claims.

Another thing, even if Lundqvist was really the best player drafted for several rounds, it would be meaningless information considering goalies are a parallel position that play for 60 minutes a game, and thus the comparative advantage or disadvantage they have can't be compared to that of skaters.



I'm 99.9999% sure this isn't the first time I am publicly against such arguments.

Y’all really should be talking about Howard Chuck