ATD 2022 Draft Thread III (Final results in post 724)

[The Macho King]

That’s fine for my team but if I have to research the difference between a hook checker from the 20s who is being used on a trad 70s checking line vs a two way 90s guy who didn’t score much I might need someone to lay out some info or they aren’t going to get my vote

Well I do think it's the GM's responsibility to sell their team. I wish non-GMs of teams would participate more in those threads (and assassination threads) to flesh out the details of some of the teams/combos, because I think that's the best way to get those issues out.

 

[rmartin65]

VsX sucks.

I think that is a bit unfair. VsX is a tool, a way to help compare players from different eras. It has positives and negatives, just like any tool. It sucks when relied upon too much, but I think it brings value to the discussion when used appropriately.

 

[Dreakmur]

I think that is a bit unfair. VsX is a tool, a way to help compare players from different eras. It has positives and negatives, just like any tool. It sucks when relied upon too much, but I think it brings value to the discussion when used appropriately.

It's not that some GMs rely too much on VsX, but rely to much on pure offense in general. The player with the better VsX score had the best offensive results - that's pretty much beyond debate at this points. The player with the better offensive results isn't necessarily the better player overall, and depending on the context, might not even be the better offensive player. One of the things that I look at quite a bit is team scoring. Guys that led their teams in scoring were obviously catalysts. Guys that were often the 3rd leading scorer on their lines were very likely complimentary players.

 

[Theokritos]

2022 ATD Regular Season voting:

JIM COLEMAN CONFERENCE
1. New Jersey Devils
2. Vancouver Millionaires
3. Roanoke Rail Yard Dawgs
4. Milwaukee Admirals
5. Pittsburgh Pirates
6. Winnipeg Victorias
7. Gallifrey TARDIS
8. Hull Olympiques
9. Texarkana Bandits

Ballots:​

​

@Batis (no GM):​

1. New Jersey​

2. Roanoke​

3. Milwaukee​

4. Pittsburgh​

5. Vancouver​

6. Texarkana​

7. Winnipeg​

8. Gallifrey​

9. Hull​

​

@Claude The Fraud (Hull, Jim Coleman Conference):​

1. Hull​

2. New Jersey​

3. Winnipeg​

4. Gallifrey​

5. Pittsburgh​

6. Roanoke​

7. Vancouver​

8. Texarkana​

9. Milwaukee​

​

@DannyGallivan (no GM):​

1. Texarkana​

2. Gallifrey​

3. Vancouver​

4. Winnipeg​

5. Hull​

6. Pittsburgh​

7. Milwaukee​

8. Raonoke​

9. New Jersey​

​

@Dennis Bonvie (no GM):​

1. Pittsburgh​

2. Vancouver​

3. Texarkana​

4. Roanoke​

5. Milwaukee​

6. New Jersey​

7. Gallifrey​

8. Hull​

9. Winnipeg​

​

@Dreakmur (Orillia, Red Fisher Conference):​

1. Milwaukee​

2. New Jersey​

3. Hull​

4. Vancouver​

5. Roanoke​

6. Winnipeg​

7. Texarkana​

8. Gallifrey​

9. Pittsburgh​

​

@Hawkey Town 18 (Chicago, Red Fisher Conference):​

1. New Jersey​

2. Roanoke​

3. Milwaukee​

4. Pittsburgh​

5. Vancouver​

6. Winnipeg​

7. Gallifrey​

8. Hull​

9. Texarkana​

​

@ImporterExporter (Three Rivers, Red Fisher Conference):​

1. Vancouver​

2. New Jersey​

3. Roanoke​

4. Pittsburgh​

5. Milwaukee​

6. Gallifrey​

7. Winnipeg​

8. Hull​

9. Texarkana​

​

@MXD (no GM):​

1. Texarkana​

2. New Jersey​

3. Roanoke​

4. Vancouver​

5. Milwaukee​

6. Pittsburgh​

7. Hull​

8. Gallifrey​

9. Winnipeg​

​

@nabby12 (Winnipeg, Jim Coleman Conference):​

1. Winnipeg​

2. Roanoke​

3. Hull​

4. Pittsburgh​

5. Texarkana​

6. Gallifrey​

7. New Jersey​

8. Vancouver​

9. Milwaukee​

​

@Professor What (Gallifrey, Jim Coleman Conference):​

1. Gallifrey​

2. New Jersey​

3. Vancouver​

4. Milwaukee​

5. Hull​

6. Winnipeg​

7. Roanoke​

8. Pittsburgh​

9. Texarkana​

​

@ResilientBeast (Vancouver, Jim Coleman Conference):​

1. Vancouver​

2. New Jersey​

3. Roanoke​

4. Winnipeg​

5. Gallifrey​

6. Pittsburgh​

7. Texarkana​

8. Hull​

9. Milwaukee​

​

@RustyRazor (Portland, Red Fisher Conference):​

1. New Jersey​

2. Roanoke​

3. Winnipeg​

4. Vancouver​

5. Milwaukee​

6. Pittsburgh​

7. Hull​

8. Gallifrey​

9. Texarkana​

​

@seventieslord (no GM):​

1. Vancouver​

2. Pittsburgh​

3. Gallifrey​

4. New Jersey​

5. Milwaukee​

6. Hull​

7. Texarkana​

8. Winnipeg​

9. Roanoke​

​

@Sturminator (Canadiens, Red Fisher Conference):​

1. New Jersey​

2. Roanoke​

3. Texarkana​

4. Pittsburgh​

5. Milwaukee​

6. Winnipeg​

7. Vancouver​

8. Gallifrey​

9. Hull​

​

@TheDevilMadeMe (New Jersey, Jim Coleman Conference):​

1. New Jersey​

2. Roanoke​

3. Winnipeg​

4. Milwaukee​

5. Vancouver​

6. Pittsburgh​

7. Texarkana​

8. Hull​

9. Gallifrey​

​

@tinyzombies (Wanderers, Red Fisher Conference):​

1. Vancouver​

2. Milwaukee​

3. New Jersey​

4. Roanoke​

5. Texarkana​

6. Gallifrey​

7. Winnipeg​

8. Hull​

9. Pittsburgh​

​

@The Macho King (Roanoke, Jim Coleman Conference):​

1. Roanoke​

2. New Jersey​

3. Pittsburgh​

4. Milwaukee​

5. Hull​

6. Vancouver​

7. Winnipeg​

8. Gallifrey​

9. Texarkana​

​

@tony d (Pittsburgh, Jim Coleman Conference):​

1. Pittsburgh​

2. Hull​

3. New Jersey​

4. Winnipeg​

5. Vancouver​

6. Texarkana​

7. Roanoake​

8. Gallifrey​

9. Milwaukee​

​

@VanIslander (Milwaukee, Jim Coleman Conference):​

1. Milwaukee​

2. Winnipeg​

3. Gallifrey​

4. New Jersey​

5. Vancouver​

6. Hull​

7. Roanoke​

8. Texarkana​

9. Pittsburgh​

RED FISHER CONFERENCE
1. Montreal Canadiens
2. Three Rivers Hockey Club
3. Chicago Shamrocks
4. Portland Penguins
5. Orillia Terriers
6. Kentucky Thoroughblades
7. Montreal Wanderers
8. Bloomfield Hills Dollar Bills
9. Toronto Maple Leafs

Ballots:​

​

@Batis (no GM):​

1. Canadiens​

2. Three Rivers​

3. Portland​

4. Chicago​

5. Orillia​

6. Kentucky​

7. Wanderers​

8. Toronto​

9. Bloomfield Hills​

​

@Claude The Fraud (Hull, Jim Coleman Conference):​

1. Canadiens​

2. Three Rivers​

3. Bloomfield Hills​

4. Toronto​

5. Wanderers​

6. Chicago​

7. Kentucky​

8. Portland​

9. Orillia​

​

@DannyGallivan (no GM):​

1. Wanderers​

2. Portland​

3. Bloomfield Hills​

4. Three Rivers​

5. Orillia​

6. Kentucky​

7. Canadiens​

8. Chicago​

9. Toronto​

​

@Dennis Bonvie (no GM):​

1. Three Rivers​

2. Toronto​

3. Portland​

4. Canadiens​

5. Kentucky​

6. Wanderers​

7. Bloomfield Hills​

8. Orillia​

9. Chicago​

​

@Dreakmur (Orillia, Red Fisher Conference):​

1. Orillia​

2. Three Rivers​

3. Canadiens​

4. Kentucky​

5. Chicago​

6. Toronto​

7. Portland​

8. Wanderers​

9. Bloomfield Hills​

​

@Hawkey Town 18 (Chicago, Red Fisher Conference):​

1. Chicago​

2. Canadiens​

3. Orillia​

4. Three Rivers​

5. Kentucky​

6. Portland​

7. Wanderers​

8. Bloomfield Hills​

9. Toronto​

​

@ImporterExporter (Three Rivers, Red Fisher Conference):​

1. Three Rivers​

2. Canadiens​

3. Orillia​

4. Portland​

5. Chicago​

6. Kentucky​

7. Wanderers​

8. Toronto​

9. Bloomfield Hills​

​

@MXD (no GM):​

1. Kentucky​

2. Portland​

3. Chicago​

4. Three Rivers​

5. Orillia​

6. Wanderers​

7. Toronto​

8. Bloomfield Hills​

9. Canadiens​

​

@nabby12 (Winnipeg, Jim Coleman Conference):​

1. Chicago​

2. Kentucky​

3. Toronto​

4. Wanderers​

5. Portland​

6. Canadiens​

7. Bloomfield Hills​

8. Orillia​

9. Three Rivers​

​

@Professor What (Gallifrey, Jim Coleman Conference):​

1. Portland​

2. Three Rivers​

3. Canadiens​

4. Kentucky​

5. Chicago​

6. Wanderers​

7. Orillia​

8. Toronto​

9. Bloomfield Hills​

​

@ResilientBeast (Vancouver, Jim Coleman Conference):​

1. Three Rivers​

2. Canadiens​

3. Chicago​

4. Orillia​

5. Portland​

6. Bloomfield Hills​

7. Kentucky​

8. Wanderers​

9. Toronto​

​

@RustyRazor (Portland, Red Fisher Conference):​

1. Portland​

2. Canadiens​

3. Orillia​

4. Kentucky​

5. Chicago​

6. Three Rivers​

7. Wanderers​

8. Bloomfield Hills​

9. Toronto​

​

@seventieslord (no GM):​

1. Chicago​

2. Orillia​

3. Three Rivers​

4. Kentucky​

5. Wanderers​

6. Canadiens​

7. Bloomfield Hills​

8. Portland​

9. Toronto​

​

@Sturminator (Canadiens, Red Fisher Conference):​

1. Canadiens​

2. Chicago​

3. Orillia​

4. Three Rivers​

5. Portland​

6. Kentucky​

7. Bloomfield Hills​

8. Wanderers​

9. Toronto​

​

@tinyzombies (Wanderers, Red Fisher Conference):​

1. Portland​

2. Wanderers​

3. Chicago​

4. Canadiens​

5. Three Rivers​

6. Bloomfield Hills​

7. Orillia​

8. Kentucky​

9. Toronto​

​

@TheDevilMadeMe (New Jersey, Jim Coleman Conference):​

1. Orillia​

2. Canadiens​

3. Kentucky​

4. Chicago​

5. Portland​

6. Three Rivers​

7. Wanderers​

8. Toronto​

9. Bloomfield Hills​

​

@The Macho King (Roanoke, Jim Coleman Conference):​

1. Three Rivers​

2. Canadiens​

3. Portland​

4. Orillia​

5. Chicago​

6. Kentucky​

7. Wanderers​

8. Bloomfield Hills​

9. Toronto​

​

@tony d (Pittsburgh, Jim Coleman Conference):​

1. Orillia​

2. Portland​

3. Wanderers​

4. Chicago​

5.Three Rivers​

6. Toronto​

7. Bloomfield Hills​

8. Kentucky​

9. Canadiens​

​

@VanIslander (Milwaukee, Jim Coleman Conference):​

1. Three Rivers​

2. Canadiens​

3. Orillia​

4. Kentucky​

5. Chicago​

6. Bloomfield Hills​

7. Wanderers​

8. Toronto​

9. Portland​

Playoff voting will follow.

 

[Theokritos]

2022 ATD First Playoff round voting:

Median votes marked because that's what determined the series results.

JIM COLEMAN CONFERENCE

New Jersey Swamp Devils vs Hull Olympiques 4-2 (a few games went to OT)​

​

4-0 (@Batis)​

4-0 (@Rusty Razor)​

4-1 (@Hawkey Town 18)​

4-1 (@ImporterExporter)​

4-1 (@Professor What)​

4-2 (@Dreakmur)​

4-2 (@Sturminator)​

4-2 (@The Macho King)​

4-3 (@rmartin65)​

3-4 (@DannyGallivan)​

3-4 (@Dennis Bonvie)​

3-4 (@tinyzombies)​

3-4 (@tony d)​

2-4 (@Voight)​

1-4 (@nabby12)​

​

Vancouver Millionaires vs Gallifrey TARDIS 4-2​

​

4-1 (@Claude The Fraud)​

4-1 (@RustyRazor)​

4-1 (@Voight)​

4-2 (@Batis)​

4-2 (@Dennis Bonvie)​

4-2 (@Hawkey Town 18)​

4-2 (@ImporterExporter)​

4-2 (@Sturminator)​

4-3 (@DannyGallivan)​

4-3 (@The Macho King)​

4-3 (@tinyzombies)​

4-3 (@tony d)​

3-4 (@Dreakmur)​

1-4 (@Nabby 12)​

​

Roanoke Rail Yard Dawgs vs Winnipeg Victorias 4-3​

​

4-1 (@Dennis Bonvie)​

4-2 (@Batis)​

4-2 (@Hawkey Town 18)​

4-2 (@rmartin65)​

4-2 (@tinyzombies)​

4-3 (@ImporterExporter)​

4-3 (@Professor What)​

4-3 (@RustyRazor)​

4-3 (@Sturminator)​

4-3 (@Voight)​

3-4 (@Claude The Fraud)​

3-4 (@Dreakmur)​

3-4 (@tony d)​

2-4 (@DannyGallivan)​

​

Milwaukee Admirals vs Pittsburgh Pirates 4-3​

​

4-0 (@Voight)​

4-2 (@Claude The Fraud)​

4-2 (@Dreakmur)​

4-2 (@Professor What)​

4-2 (@The Macho King)​

4-2 (@tinyzombies)​

4-3 (@Batis)​

4-3 (@ImporterExporter)​

4-3 (@rmartin65)​

4-3 (@RustyRazor)​

4-3 (@Sturminator)​

3-4 OT (@Hawkey Town 18)​

3-4 (@DannyGallivan)​

2-4 (@Dennis Bonvie)​

2-4 (@nabby12)​

RED FISHER CONFERENCE

Montreal Canadiens vs Bloomfield Hills Dollar Bills 4-2​

​

4-0 (@Batis)​

4-0 (@The Macho King)​

4-1 (@Claude The Fraud)​

4-1 (@Dreakmur)​

4-1 (@RustyRazor)​

4-2 (@Dennis Bonvie)​

4-2 (@Hawkey Town 18)​

4-2 (@ImporterExporter)​

4-2 (@Professor What)​

4-2 (@rmartin65)​

4-3 (@Nabby 12)​

3-4 (@tinyzombies)​

3-4 (@tony d)​

2-4 (@DannyGallivan)​

1-4 (@Voight)​

​

Three Rivers Hockey Club vs Montreal Wanderers 4-3​

​

4-1 (@Batis)​

4-1 (@Claude The Fraud)​

4-2 (@DannyGallivan)​

4-2 (@Hawkey Town 18)​

4-2 (@Professor What)​

4-3 (@Dennis Bonvie)​

4-3 (@Dreakmur)​

4-3 (@rmartin65)​

4-3 (@RustyRazor)​

4-3 (@Sturminator)​

4-3 (@The Macho King)​

4-3 (@tony d)​

1-4 (@Nabby 12)​

0-4 (@Voight)​

​

Chicago Shamrocks vs Kentucky Thoroughblades 4-3 (a few games went to OT)​

​

4-1 (@nabby12)​

4-2 (@Batis)​

4-2 (@Claude The Fraud)​

4-2 (@Sturminator)​

4-2 (@The Macho King)​

4-3 (@ImporterExporter)​

4-3 (@Professor What)​

4-3 (@rmartin65)​

4-3 (@tony d)​

3-4 (@Dennis Bonvie)​

3-4 (@Dreakmur)​

3-4 (@tinyzombies)​

3-4 (@Voight)​

2-4 (@DannyGallivan)​

2-4 (@RustyRazor)​

​

Portland Penguins vs Orillia Terriers 4-3​

​

4-0 (@Nabby 12)​

4-1 (@Dennis Bonvie)​

4-2 (@Batis)​

4-2 (@Claude The Fraud)​

4-2 (@DannyGallivan)​

4-2 (@rmartin65)​

4-2 (@tinyzombies)​

4-3 (@Professor What)​

4-3 (@tony d)​

4-3 OT (@Hawkey Town 18)​

3-4 (@ImporterExporter)​

3-4 (@Sturminator)​

3-4 (@The Macho King)​

0-4 (@Voight)​

​

Note: Median is between 4-2 and 4-3. In cases like this one I always went with the closer result.​

 

[Theokritos]

2022 ATD Conference Semifinals voting:

JIM COLEMAN CONFERENCE

New Jersey Swamp Devils vs Milwaukee Admirals 4-3​

​

4-1 (@Claude The Fraud)​

4-2 (@Batis)​

4-2 (@Hawkey Town 18)​

4-2 (@Professor What)​

4-2 (@RustyRazor)​

4-3 (@rmartin65)​

4-3 (@Sturminator)​

4-3 (@The Macho King)​

4-3 (@tony d)​

0-4 (@nabby12)​

​

Vancouver Millionaires vs Roanoke Rail Yard Dawgs 4-3 (several games went to OT)​

​

4-3 (@Batis)​

4-3 (@Claude The Fraud)​

4-3 (@Professor What)​

4-3 (@tony d)​

4-3 (@Sturminator)​

3-4 (@Hawkey Town 18)​

3-4 (@RustyRazor)​

2-4 (@TheDevilMadeMe)​

0-4 (@nabby12)​

RED FISHER CONFERENCE

Montreal Canadiens vs Portland Penguins 4-2​

​

4-2 (@Batis)​

4-2 (@Claude The Fraud)​

4-2 (@Hawkey Town 18)​

4-2 (@Professor What)​

4-2 (@rmartin65)​

4-3 (@TheDevilMadeMe)​

4-3 (@tony d)​

3-4 (@The Macho King)​

2-4 (@nabby12)​

​

Three Rivers Hockey Club vs Chicago Shamrocks 3-4​

​

4-3 (@Batis)​

4-3 (@Professor What)​

4-3 (@rmartin65)​

4-3 (@The Macho King)​

3-4 (@Claude The Fraud)​

3-4 (@RustyRazor)​

3-4 (@Sturminator)​

3-4 (@TheDevilMadeMe)​

3-4 (@tony d)​

0-4 (@nabby12)​

 

[Theokritos]

Conference Finals voting:

New Jersey Swamp Devils vs Vancouver Millionaires 3-4

4-3 (@Batis)
4-3 (@BenchBrawl respectively @Sturminator)
4-3 OT (@Hawkey Town 18)

3-4 (@Claude The Fraud)​

3-4 (@Dennis Bonvie)​

3-4 (@ImporterExporter)​

3-4 (@Professor What)​

3-4 (@tinyzombies)​

2-4 (@nabby12)​

2-4 (@The Macho King)​

2-4 (@tony d)​

Montreal Canadiens vs Chicago Shamrocks 4-2

4-1 (@Dennis Bonvie)
4-1 (@The Macho King)
4-2 (@Batis)
4-2 (@Claude The Fraud)
4-2 (@DannyGallivan)
4-2 (@ImporterExporter)
4-2 (@rmartin65)
4-2 (@TheDevilMadeMe)
4-3 (@Professor What)
4-3 (@tinyzombies)

2-4 (@tony d)​

0-4 (@Nabby 12)​

Finals voting:

Vancouver Millionaires vs Montreal Canadiens 4-3

4-0 (@Voight)
4-1 (@DannyGallivan)
4-2 (@tinyzombies)
4-2 (@tony d)
4-3 (@Dennis Bonvie)
4-3 (@Hawkey Town 18)
4-3 (@Professor What)
4-3 (@The Macho King)

3-4 (@ImporterExporter)​

2-4 (@Batis)​

2-4 (@Claude The Fraud)​

1-4 (@nabby12)​

1-4 (@TheDevilMadeMe)​

 

[rmartin65]

Thank you, @Theokritos . Your willingness to collect and tally votes is always appreciated!

 

[The Macho King]

I'm going with the ultimate loser stance of "the Conference Finals was the real Finals" and say I came in second this season.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Thanks for doing this, @Theokritos

Though I liked our team best, Vancouver will look good on the championship page, and more with time as McDavid crystallizes his legacy.

 

[Dreakmur]

Looks like only one person forgot these would be made public lol

 

[Sturminator]

Looks like only one person forgot these would be made public lol

I see two sets of strange looking votes.

 

[Sturminator]

Figured I may as well add this...ATD 2022 voting participation:

GMs who voted in every playoff matchup not involving their team (counted for co-GMs as long as franchise cast a ballot):

RB/rmartin
Professor What
Benchbrawl/Sturm
Macho King
tony d
nabby12
HT18
Claude The Fraud

GMs who cast some, but not all possible postseason votes:

tinyzombies
Rusty Razor
TheDevilMadeMe
Dreakmur
Voight
Importer/Exporter

GMs who voted only on the regular season:

VanIslander

GMs who cast no votes:

Johnny Engine
tabness
LeafLander

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I don't think partial participation is the problem here. People will miss votes, and a number of these GMs cast almost every vote that they could. It's franchises getting abandoned after the draft that seems to have been the bigger issue last year.

 

[tinyzombies]

I didn’t miss many and I always did my best to analyze VsX, defense, ES, special teams, toughness:/pims as well as matchups

 

[VanIslander]

I usually vote for the playoffs.
I had COVID last spring.
It kicked my ***.
Had linguring fatigue and pain in two toes for half a year.