ATD 2012 - Draft Thread I

[Dreakmur]

Ok guys here we go, The Pittsburgh Bankers are very pleased to select for the second year in a row C Newsy Lalonde

IHL Scoring – 3rd(1907)* (not 100% sure on this one, but of the records I found, he's 3rd)

OPHL Scoring – 1st(1908), 2nd(1909)

NHA/NHL Points – 1st(1910), 1st(1919), 1st(1921), 2nd(1920), 3rd(1916), 3rd(1917), 4th(1913), 4th(1918), 4th(1923), 6th(1911), 10th(1914), 10th(1924)
NHA/NHL Goals – 1st(1910), 1st(1916), 1st(1919), 1st(1923), 2nd(1920), 3rd(1921), 4th(1913), 4th(1917), 4th(1918), 6th(1911), 8th(1914)
NHA/NHL Assists – 1st(1919), 2nd(1921), 6th(1920), 6th(1924), 8th(1916), 8th(1917), 10th(1918)

PCHA Points – 1st(1912)
PCHA Goals – 1st(1912)


Consolidated Points – 1st(1921), 3rd(1919), 4th(1912), 4th(1920), 5th(1913), 6th(1916), 6th(1917), 9th(1918), 10th(1923), 15th(1914)
Consolidated Goals – 3rd(1916), 4th(1912), 4th(1919), 4th(1920), 4th(1921), 5th(1913), 5th(1923), 7th(1918), 8th(1917), 12th(1914)
Consolidated Assists – 4th(1919), 8th(1924), 10th(1921), 13th(1920)

 

[JFA87-66-99]

Thankfully my gym partner cancelled so I'm here.

Halifax selects Valeri Kharlamov.

I considerd Kharlamov, He's one of my favorite players of all-time. good pick

 

[Dreakmur]

Thankfully my gym partner cancelled so I'm here to keep things rollin.

Halifax selects Valeri Kharlamov.

I found him to be very confusing when I owned him about a year ago.

If you read the quotes, he's on par with Maurice Richard. If you read the stats, he's nothing special.

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

The Millionares are proud to announce Milt Schmidt as their first selection.

 

[vecens24]

The Millionares are proud to announce Milt Schmidt as their first selection.

For some reason I figured this would be your pick. Good selection at this point. Great two-way guy.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Ok guys here we go, The Pittsburgh Bankers are very pleased to select for the second year in a row C Newsy Lalonde

He's the reason I was hesitating to pick Brad Park. I thought a Lindsay-Lalonde duo would be absolutely terrifying, but in the end decided I couldn't start with 2 forwards when I dont pick again until 95. He's definitely a great pick talent wise, but I really don't like him next to Bossy here.

 

[Nalyd Psycho]

Richard is not better offensively than Mario Lemieux. He's 4th at best.

He's in a category with Bobby Hull, Jean Beliveau, and Stan Mikita, with arguments for each guy being above the other.

Career value, not peak. I don't think I'm stretching anything saying Mario's career value is only ok.

Here is a table of top ten finishes by the four players in question.

Maurice Richard: Goals|1|1|1|1|1|2|2|2|3|4|4|5|6
Bobby Hull: Goals|1|1|1|1|1|1|1|2|2|3|4|5|6
Jean Beliveau: Goals|1|1|2|3|3|4|5|7|8|9
Stan Mikita: Goals|2|2|2|3|4|5|6
Jaromir Jagr: Goals|2|2|2|2|3|4|6|9
Phil Esposito: Goals|1|1|1|1|1|1|2|4|8
Maurice Richard: Points|2|2|2|2|2|3|3|4|5|6|7
Bobby Hull: Points|1|1|1|2|2|2|4|5|6|7|9
Jean Beliveau: Points|1|2|2|3|3|3|3|4|6|8|9
Stan Mikita: Points|1|1|1|1|2|3|3|3|4
Jaromir Jagr: Points|1|1|1|1|1|2|2|5|6|8|9
Phil Esposito: Points|1|1|1|1|1|2|2|2|7|9

I concede that I have to give Hull the edge over Richard. But Richard has a slight edge over Beliveau and Mikita is behind in career value. (Peak value edge though probably.)

Remember I was simply talking peak value.

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

For some reason I figured this would be your pick. Good selection at this point. Great two-way guy.

When I first traded down I was hoping Pilote or Lalonde would fall if I'm being honest, but I also didn't really expect Schmidt to last until 40 as well. He's a real leader to build around.

 

[JFA87-66-99]

He's the reason I was hesitating to pick Brad Park. I thought a Lindsay-Lalonde duo would be absolutely terrifying, but in the end decided I couldn't start with 2 forwards when I dont pick again until 95. He's definitely a great pick talent wise, but I really don't like him next to Bossy here.

Why would you not like Lalonde next too Bossy, One of the all-time great pure goal-scorers. Lalonde brings a lilbit of everything to the table for me. Goal-scoring,playmaking,grit & toughness, and good solid 2-way play. I agree that Lindsay/lalonde would have been a trerrifying duo. i would have went with that over Brad Park for sure

 

[Nalyd Psycho]

I would think it's because both Bossy and Lalonde are more scorers than passers.

 

[Dreakmur]

Career value, not peak. I don't think I'm stretching anything saying Mario's career value is only ok.

You're stretching it. He had 10 top-10s in points.

Here is a table of top ten finishes by the four players in question.

Maurice Richard: Goals|1|1|1|1|1|2|2|2|3|4|4|5|6
Bobby Hull: Goals|1|1|1|1|1|1|1|2|2|3|4|5|6
Jean Beliveau: Goals|1|1|2|3|3|4|5|7|8|9
Stan Mikita: Goals|2|2|2|3|4|5|6
Maurice Richard: Points|2|2|2|2|2|3|3|4|5|6|7
Bobby Hull: Points|1|1|1|2|2|2|4|5|6|7|9
Jean Beliveau: Points|1|2|2|3|3|3|3|4|6|8|9
Stan Mikita: Points|1|1|1|1|2|3|3|3|4

I concede that I have to give Hull the edge over Richard. But Richard has a slight edge over Beliveau and Mikita is behind in career value. (Peak value edge though probably.)

Remember I was simply talking peak value.

If you were talking goals, I would agree. You're talking overall offense though.

Richard has a 6th and 7th in points over Mikita, but Mikita has those four 1sts and a lot of good non top-10 seasons. I think they are close in terms of offense.

You should add Phil Esposito and Jaromir Jagr here.

 

[Nalyd Psycho]

If you were talking goals, I would agree. You're talking overall offense though.

Richard has a 6th and 7th in points over Mikita, but Mikita has those four 1sts and a lot of good non top-10 seasons. I think they are close in terms of offense.

You should add Phil Esposito and Jaromir Jagr here.

Overall offense, yes. But I'm talking just career value. I'll add them in, give me 5 minutes.

Looking at it, the anti-euro slander jobs on Jagr are still effecting his standing. When you look at the linemates he had for some of that period. His value stands up to top 15 picks.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Why would you not like Lalonde next too Bossy, One of the all-time great pure goal-scorers. Lalonde brings a lilbit of everything to the table for me. Goal-scoring,playmaking,grit & toughness, and good solid 2-way play. I agree that Lindsay/lalonde would have been a trerrifying duo. i would have went with that over Brad Park for sure

Lalonde is a good playmaker but he's an even better goal scorer. And he's not going to get as many chances to score if he's feeding Bossy. Lalonde was the best player available IMO so he definitely wasn't a bad pick by any means, but I don't know if he and Bossy would get the most out of each other.

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

He's the reason I was hesitating to pick Brad Park. I thought a Lindsay-Lalonde duo would be absolutely terrifying, but in the end decided I couldn't start with 2 forwards when I dont pick again until 95. He's definitely a great pick talent wise, but I really don't like him next to Bossy here.

Lalonde popped into my head immediately when you said you were thinking of making a risky pick, but decided to go the safe route with Park

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

You're stretching it. He had 10 top-10s in points.



If you were talking goals, I would agree. You're talking overall offense though.

Richard has a 6th and 7th in points over Mikita, but Mikita has those four 1sts and a lot of good non top-10 seasons. I think they are close in terms of offense.

You should add Phil Esposito and Jaromir Jagr here.

In the regular season...I would think Richard has a playoff edge, but don't have the numbers

 

[Dreakmur]

Why would you not like Lalonde next too Bossy, One of the all-time great pure goal-scorers. Lalonde brings a lilbit of everything to the table for me. Goal-scoring,playmaking,grit & toughness, and good solid 2-way play. I agree that Lindsay/lalonde would have been a trerrifying duo. i would have went with that over Brad Park for sure

He does bring scoring, toughness, and leadership.

Lalonde doesn't bring very much passing, and there is little evidence that he was good defensively.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Pick coming very soon...

 

[Dreakmur]

In the regular season...I would think Richard has a playoff edge, but don't have the numbers

That's what were talking about.

 

[JFA87-66-99]

He does bring scoring, toughness, and leadership.

Lalonde doesn't bring very much passing, and there is little evidence that he was good defensively.

He was one of the best players of his era. I loves his tenacity next to Bossy. But I see what you guys are saying

 

[chaosrevolver]

Pick coming very soon...

Hurry it up cause you are the pick I am worrying about.

Well so does Dwight's..but I just have a bad feeling..

 

[Dreakmur]

He was one of the best players of his era. I loves his tenacity next to Bossy. But I see what you guys are saying

I posted his numbers when you picked him. He was probably the best goalscorer of his era, and he was among one of the toughest too.

 

[chaosrevolver]

Split Bossy and Lalonde up?

Create two lines with a premium player on it. Get a passer for Bossy..and build a really dominant second line (or first depending on who you put on second line) with Lalonde.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Les Canadiens de Montréal are EXTREMELY PROUD to draft a player that keeps getting underrated , one of the greatest two-way forward who ever played the game:

Frank Nighbor C/LW

"Cyclone" Taylor has great admiration for Frank Nighbor as a player, naming the famous poke-check king the greatest player of all-time.

With all due respect to the many wonderful players who have come and gone since 1900, there are few who could be rated above Frank Nighbor. Someone once called him the "peerless centre," and I can think of no label which would have been more apt. We always felt he could have played a complete game of hockey in formal attire without even putting a wrinkle in his suit. He was a leading scorer, an expert passer and a playmaker; and no rival forward could come close to him in defensive skill

So far ahead of all hockey players in defensive ability, in starting plays and in outguessing the opposition is Frank Nighbor that it would be almost a shame to mention another in the game at the present time. There is only one "Old Master" and aspiring players have a star to aim at.

Skating backward and waving his stick in wandlike fashion, preparatory for use in his devastating poke check, was also a marvel of coordination. It was hard for his admirers to make up their minds at which he was best, offense or defense.

 

[Leafs Forever]

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

Les Canadiens de Montréal are EXTREMELY PROUD to draft a player that keeps getting underrated , one of the greatest two-way forward who ever played the game:

Frank Nighbor C/LW

I knew it!