seventieslord
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You realize this is the guy I was talking about a thread ago, right? I got the impression you thought I meant Cam Neely.
Agree. (well maye not on the disciplinary action, but peeople do need to chill out.)
ATD 2011 Draft Thread IV
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You realize this is the guy I was talking about a thread ago, right? I got the impression you thought I meant Cam Neely.
Agree. (well maye not on the disciplinary action, but peeople do need to chill out.)
markrander87
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Leaf Lander
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who do i send a list too
My 20 month old son pulled the internet out of the wall so ill be gone for a few days
from regular internet ascess
My 20 month old son pulled the internet out of the wall so ill be gone for a few days
from regular internet ascess
seventieslord
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Velociraptor
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Hardly, she's not even AA-level.
Yeah, she's more in the D-level, 36 D if you know what I mean
vecens24
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Inglewood is proud to welcome their first Russian, Alexander Ragulin, to the squad. He will more than likely be paired with Sylvio Mantha to create one of the better shutdown pairings in the ATD. Ragulin's imposing net presence along with Mantha's rock solid, all-around game including his ability to rush the puck will make for a perfect match. I weighed our need for a forward but having Ragulin fall this far was just too much to pass up I felt.
Also, arrbez has officially departed, so he will be helping as much as he can, but for the most part I'll be making the selections from here on in.
Finally as a side note, I am in the market to move up for a pick later this round. PM me if you have a desire to move back.
Velociraptor
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And so the fall ends. I chose Maltsev over Ragulin at 135, shocked he fell so far. Excellent pick, he's such a stud of a defenseman. I was also going to trade up for him.
TheDevilMadeMe
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Ragulin usually goes too early in this (he should never be picked ahead of Kasatonov), but he's a very good pick this late.
Definitely another guy I was considering for my last pick.
Definitely another guy I was considering for my last pick.
vecens24
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I agree about Kasatonov. He's a guy that looking at past drafts has kinda been underrated in my view.
I honestly probably would have taken Ragulin ahead of Kasatonov just with the way I'm planning on building my defense, but I agree Kasatonov is certainly the better player.
seventieslord
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Considering when Suchy was selected, Ragulin is a great value. The two should be considered practically even - Suchy with a peak edge, Ragulin with a longevity edge.
BillyShoe1721
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I considered taking Ragulin when I selected Howell, but figured I already had Langway as my defensive stalwart and needed a better two way guy.
Howell wasn't exactly a great offensive dman either though he did have some big seasons from 65-68.
BillyShoe1721
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No, but he was certainly better than Ragulin. The knock on Ragulin was his skating and Howell was known as a good skater. I guess I meant more of a puck moving defenseman rather than two-way.
TheDevilMadeMe
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Not only are the first two in Henri's profile, but there are some more quotes about Flaman, as well. Flaman was mentioned in articles I read about Henri, more than any other player. It seems like little Henri Richard was the constant thorn in the side of big bad Fern Flaman.
Fern Flaman said:
This might all be from the same article.
TheDevilMadeMe
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Right back at you:
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1168936/index.htm#ixzz1DtYHga29
seventieslord
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Ragulin wasn't the greatest skater but that didn't seem to have any impact on his puckmoving abilities. There's really no good way to say that Howell's "certainly" better than Ragulin in that regard. Pretty much, what it comes down to is whether you believe that the (approximately) 8th best offensive defenseman in the NHL is better than the best Soviet at that time.
Pretty close if you ask me.
TheDevilMadeMe
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How do we know Ragulin was the best Soviet puck mover of his time? Are there comprehensive stats for the era on SIHR?
BillyShoe1721
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Velociraptor
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Same here, while researching him for my upcoming pick, I received many indications that he was predominantly known for his defensive ability. But besides his slap shot, nothing showed of Ragulin being a very good puck mover. He was massive (especially in his era), knew how to play the physical aspect of the game. But I'd need to see some proof in order to determine whether he is what some of you make him out to be.
seventieslord
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soviet league stats are sparse, but it's easy to assume that whoever their best puckmover was, he was on the national team. With 41 points in 108 games, Ragulin easily put up the most points internationally for the Soviets in the space of his career and the five years before and after it. Per-game, one guy had a higher rate but it was in less than half as many games and mostly against weaker, earlier competition. One other guy also did, but in even fewer games, and he played "halfback" internationally in the Soviets' unique system (and won best forward in one tournament as a result) so he doesn't really count.
Ragulin also tied for the most points among defensemen at three international tournaments; in the last of which, that tie was with Carl Brewer.
Ragulin also tied for the most points among defensemen at three international tournaments; in the last of which, that tie was with Carl Brewer.
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