At What Point Does the Market Start Talking About the Lack of Power Plays?

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Toronto currently sits dead last in power play opportunities this year after 23 games played with 67.



Detroit has 104 power plays in 25 games played.

31 of the 32 teams in the NHL have had a 5 on 3 power play thus far. Florida can almost make the same claim as they've only spent 4 seconds up 2 men.
Unsurprisingly, Toronto is the only one without one.

Last season, Toronto ended up 18th in power play opportunities and dead last in 2 man advantages with a single instance of that.

The last regular season game in which Toronto had any 5 on 3 time, was game 71 last season where they played all of 22 seconds.
The instance before that?
April 21st 2022 where they had a grand total of 6 seconds of 2 man advantage.


Since Matthews, Marner, and Nylander became NHL players, Toronto finds itself 27th in total power plays.

Despite having the 3rd best power play conversion rate in the NHL (Toronto 24%, Tampa 24.7%, Edmonton 25.1%) over these last 8 seasons, Toronto has scored the 7th most power play goals. Not surprisingly, Tampa has recorded almost 80 more power play goals over these past 8 seasons than Toronto has.

If we were to tally the teams over the course of each of the last 8 years, and rank them by their position in terms of total power plays for, it would look like this:

2016-172017-182018-192019-202020-212021-222022-232023-24TotalPts %Pts Rank
Colorado19111111221906.59510
Tampa Bay2 241333361836.6552
Florida3 14314225171803.59511
Nashville64651751741779.5979
Winnipeg43101815108181750.58613
Ottawa91724151013181747.46729
Calgary8522561716161738.57617
Boston1799616184201735.6831
Vancouver2816822011751731.49823
Pittsburgh5821162592291720.6196
Philadelphia17197121627141711.5182
Chicago23614871225221688.48127
Minnesota292412913415111681.6098
New Jersey121273232329241672.49524
Detroit102728112722911667.44432
Washington1321161024619311664.6285
LA Kings1825272411710211660.54219
Carolina2626111714201491658.6157
Arizona202251253222101653.45431
New York Rangers252322442820261643.58014
Edmonton153125209196191641.57915
Dallas7202921181413271641.57616
Buffalo24111722292411231635.45530
St. Louis21181519211523251628.59312
Montreal271918292682471622.48726
San Jose14101328192930281600.50422
Toronto16293123222118321573.6393
New York Islanders22132331283131301522.56718
Anaheim11303030302726121516.48825
Columbus30282627312628151490.52620
Vegas1520268303231364.6374
Seattle252113546.47928



Toronto has been the 3rd best team in the NHL over the last 8 years, but have sat in the very bottom of the table in terms of power plays consistently.

Naturally, teams that do well will be expected to draw more penalties as they tend to drive the play more than the teams who sit back and allow the opposition to impose themselves.
This is evident in teams like Colorado, Tampa Bay, Florida, Pittsburgh.
The inverse is seen in teams that have been really poor over these past 8 years: Anaheim, SJ, Montreal, Columbus, Seattle, Buffalo.

The biggest outlier in this statistic is Toronto.
 
We've been talking about it for years. There's nothing we can do.
It's a mixture of conscious bias by refs, subconscious bias by refs, the fact that the NHL pushes "game management" over the actual rulebook, and league corruption. Unless there's a mass firing of NHL executives and refs, we introduce robot refs, and the NHL treats hockey like a sport instead of WWE, it's just another unique thing we'll have to overcome to win.
 
A large portion of penalties are as a result of retaliation. The Leafs NEVER play aggressive hockey, in either zone, therefore the opponent never feels the need to respond.
The Leafs allow other teams too much space and with only a few exceptions have slowed their game down. Where speed once dominated the Leafs now rarely play ahead of the puck, preferring the less aggressive lazy basketball offense of dropping the puck back.
All factors in reducing the opportunity and reason for penalty calls.
 
A large portion of penalties are as a result of retaliation. The Leafs NEVER play aggressive hockey, in either zone, therefore the opponent never feels the need to respond.
The Leafs allow other teams too much space and with only a few exceptions have slowed their game down. Where speed once dominated the Leafs now rarely play ahead of the puck, preferring the less aggressive lazy basketball offense of dropping the puck back.
All factors in reducing the opportunity and reason for penalty calls.
Bunting drew penalties.
I wonder how Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Rielly rank in terms of penalties drawn?
 
Toronto currently sits dead last in power play opportunities this year after 23 games played with 67.



Detroit has 104 power plays in 25 games played.

31 of the 32 teams in the NHL have had a 5 on 3 power play thus far. Florida can almost make the same claim as they've only spent 4 seconds up 2 men.
Unsurprisingly, Toronto is the only one without one.

Last season, Toronto ended up 18th in power play opportunities and dead last in 2 man advantages with a single instance of that.

The last regular season game in which Toronto had any 5 on 3 time, was game 71 last season where they played all of 22 seconds.
The instance before that?
April 21st 2022 where they had a grand total of 6 seconds of 2 man advantage.


Since Matthews, Marner, and Nylander became NHL players, Toronto finds itself 27th in total power plays.

Despite having the 3rd best power play conversion rate in the NHL (Toronto 24%, Tampa 24.7%, Edmonton 25.1%) over these last 8 seasons, Toronto has scored the 7th most power play goals. Not surprisingly, Tampa has recorded almost 80 more power play goals over these past 8 seasons than Toronto has.

If we were to tally the teams over the course of each of the last 8 years, and rank them by their position in terms of total power plays for, it would look like this:

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[TD]2020-21[/TD]
[TD]2021-22[/TD]
[TD]2022-23[/TD]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[TD]Total[/TD]
[TD]Pts %[/TD]
[TD]Pts Rank[/TD]
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[TD]Colorado[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]1906[/TD]
[TD].595[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Tampa Bay[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]1836[/TD]
[TD].655[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Florida[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]1803[/TD]
[TD].595[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nashville[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]1779[/TD]
[TD].597[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Winnipeg[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]1750[/TD]
[TD].586[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ottawa[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]24[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]1747[/TD]
[TD].467[/TD]
[TD]29[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Calgary[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]1738[/TD]
[TD].576[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Boston[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]1735[/TD]
[TD].683[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Vancouver[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]1731[/TD]
[TD].498[/TD]
[TD]23[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pittsburgh[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]1720[/TD]
[TD].619[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Philadelphia[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]1711[/TD]
[TD].518[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Chicago[/TD]
[TD]23[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]22[/TD]
[TD]1688[/TD]
[TD].481[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Minnesota[/TD]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]24[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]1681[/TD]
[TD].609[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]New Jersey[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]23[/TD]
[TD]23[/TD]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]24[/TD]
[TD]1672[/TD]
[TD].495[/TD]
[TD]24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Detroit[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]22[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]1667[/TD]
[TD].444[/TD]
[TD]32[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Washington[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]24[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD]
[TD]1664[/TD]
[TD].628[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]LA Kings[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]24[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]1660[/TD]
[TD].542[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Carolina[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]1658[/TD]
[TD].615[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Arizona[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]22[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]32[/TD]
[TD]22[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]1653[/TD]
[TD].454[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]New York Rangers[/TD]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]23[/TD]
[TD]22[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]1643[/TD]
[TD].580[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Edmonton[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]1641[/TD]
[TD].579[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Dallas[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]1641[/TD]
[TD].576[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Buffalo[/TD]
[TD]24[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]22[/TD]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]24[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]23[/TD]
[TD]1635[/TD]
[TD].455[/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]St. Louis[/TD]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]23[/TD]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]1628[/TD]
[TD].593[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Montreal[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]24[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]1622[/TD]
[TD].487[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]San Jose[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]1600[/TD]
[TD].504[/TD]
[TD]22[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Toronto[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD]
[TD]23[/TD]
[TD]22[/TD]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]32[/TD]
[TD]1573[/TD]
[TD].639[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]New York Islanders[/TD]
[TD]22[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]23[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[TD]1522[/TD]
[TD].567[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Anaheim[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]1516[/TD]
[TD].488[/TD]
[TD]25[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Columbus[/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]1490[/TD]
[TD].526[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Vegas[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[TD]32[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]1364[/TD]
[TD].637[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Seattle[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]546[/TD]
[TD].479[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
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Toronto has been the 3rd best team in the NHL over the last 8 years, but have sat in the very bottom of the table in terms of power plays consistently.

Naturally, teams that do well will be expected to draw more penalties as they tend to drive the play more than the teams who sit back and allow the opposition to impose themselves.
This is evident in teams like Colorado, Tampa Bay, Florida, Pittsburgh.
The inverse is seen in teams that have been really poor over these past 8 years: Anaheim, SJ, Montreal, Columbus, Seattle, Buffalo.

The biggest outlier in this statistic is Toronto.
Soft teams tend not to draw a lot of infractions.
 
We've been talking about it for years. There's nothing we can do.
It's a mixture of conscious bias by refs, subconscious bias by refs, the fact that the NHL pushes "game management" over the actual rulebook, and league corruption. Unless there's a mass firing of NHL executives and refs, we introduce robot refs, and the NHL treats hockey like a sport instead of WWE, it's just another unique thing we'll have to overcome to win.

What a load of crap. Name a team that plays perimeter no-touch hockey.

We drew as many penalties as we deserved.
 
Name a team that plays perimeter no-touch hockey. We drew as many penalties as we deserved.
Nobody in the league plays "perimeter no touch hockey", much less us, and we objectively get much fewer PPs than we deserve. Many teams do.
You can try to craft narratives to blame countless different versions of this team all you want, but we all know what's going on.
 
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We've been talking about it for years. There's nothing we can do.
It's a mixture of conscious bias by refs, subconscious bias by refs, the fact that the NHL pushes "game management" over the actual rulebook, and league corruption. Unless there's a mass firing of NHL executives and refs, we introduce robot refs, and the NHL treats hockey like a sport instead of WWE, it's just another unique thing we'll have to overcome to win.

I don't mean to ask when fans will start complaining about this.

What I'm asking is at what point does the team and the media start making mention of this?

A few years ago, Edmonton was at the bottom of the list in terms of calls.

The players, the team management, and especially the media stirred up a furor and they shot to the top of the list.

Mike Johnson has mentioned it a few times, in passing, during games how the team doesn't draw penalties.

Good Miller brought up the 0 instances of 5 on 3 this year, just last night, and he made reference to it a handful of times last year.

There isn't much focus on it outside of this though.


It's something that defies all of the typical correlary factors for drawing penalties:

Puck possession
Team speed
Offensive zone time
Style of play
Star players and their reputation
Team success




Toronto consistently finds itself at or near the top of all these aspects of the game, and they have played a fast paced, offensively driven style of hockey for 8 years now, have a Hart winner and a few other star players, yet they seem to break all of the unwritten rules in this subject.
 
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I don't mean to ask when fans will start complaining about this.
What I'm asking is at what point does the team and the media start making mention of this?
The team has mentioned it many times, both publicly and privately. Every time they privately discuss it, it gets worse, and every time they publicly mention it, it gets worse and they get massive fines. If the players say anything, the refs let other players abuse them with no consequence and never call anything, like they did to Matthews. The media occasionally mentions it, but we also don't have the local media that a lot of other teams have. We're more of a national team and hate sells here, so they'd rather write the 20th article about how horrible we are, and how everybody is going to ask for 20m on their next contract and leave us. And they spent a ton of money to broadcast the NHL. They don't want to rock the boat and outline fundamental issues and corruption within the NHL. And the NHL and other owners don't care anyway. They treat us like a joke that they can just bleed money out of. There's no realistic pathway to meaningful solutions in the current setup of the NHL.

Heck, all you have to do is look at the reffing assignments we're given in critical playoff games, and you can see how much the NHL doesn't even try to hide it.
It's something that defies all of the typical correlary factors for drawing penalties:

Puck possession
Team speed
Offensive zone time
Style of play
Star players and their reputation
Team success

Toronto consistently finds itself at or near the top of all these aspects of the game, and they have played a fast paced, offensively driven style of hockey for 8 years now, have a Hart winner and a few other star players, yet they seem to break all of the unwritten rules in this subject.
Yep. We know. It sucks. It's stupid. It's blatant. It defies all logic. And unfortunately, nothing will change.
We're likely not going to be near the top of the PP list until the next time we're tanking and don't want PPs.
 
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A large portion of penalties are as a result of retaliation. The Leafs NEVER play aggressive hockey, in either zone, therefore the opponent never feels the need to respond.
The Leafs allow other teams too much space and with only a few exceptions have slowed their game down. Where speed once dominated the Leafs now rarely play ahead of the puck, preferring the less aggressive lazy basketball offense of dropping the puck back.
All factors in reducing the opportunity and reason for penalty calls.

and the reason of this system is leafs d who was too weak and leafs had too many hole in their D

sp leafs played passive game to be sure to reduce at maximum thr distance between d and foward but everything starting by the lack of faith in their own D group
 
Bunting drew penalties.
I wonder how Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Rielly rank in terms of penalties drawn?
Style of play?

The Tkachuks, Stutzle, and Bunting lead the league in penalties drawn, with 17 or 18. Domi leads the Leafs with 8, while Gregor, AM, MM, and WN have 6 each (JT has 3).

Bunting was second overall last year, so Leafs bias fails that particular test.

Blaming the league and refs is just a cop-out.
 
The people in here trying to rationally explain the NHL's crookedness are cute. Last night was a perfect example - Bertuzzi has his stick held 2 meters away from one ref and no call. 20 seconds later Stutzle gets hit with a high stick and acts like he was shot out of a cannon and there is an immediate call. When cockroaches/rats like Bettman are in charge you better expect that the Leafs will get f***ed because either way they are the piggy bank of the NHL and MLSE is content with this.
 
The people in here trying to rationally explain the NHL's crookedness are cute. Last night was a perfect example - Bertuzzi has his stick held 2 meters away from one ref and no call. 20 seconds later Stutzle gets hit with a high stick and acts like he was shot out of a cannon and there is an immediate call. When cockroaches/rats like Bettman are in charge you better expect that the Leafs will get f***ed because either way they are the piggy bank of the NHL and MLSE is content with this.

I wish we could all see your rational explanation - the image of Bettman trying to suck up to Ottawa fking Senators , because we all know that Sens = gold mine $$$
 
The team has mentioned it many times, both publicly and privately. Every time they privately discuss it, it gets worse, and every time they publicly mention it, it gets worse and they get massive fines. If the players say anything, the refs let other players abuse them with no consequence and never call anything, like they did to Matthews. The media occasionally mentions it, but we also don't have the local media that a lot of other teams have. We're more of a national team and hate sells here, so they'd rather write the 20th article about how horrible we are, and how everybody is going to ask for 20m on their next contract and leave us. And they spent a ton of money to broadcast the NHL. They don't want to rock the boat and outline fundamental issues and corruption within the NHL. And the NHL and other owners don't care anyway. They treat us like a joke that they can just bleed money out of. There's no realistic pathway to meaningful solutions in the current setup of the NHL.

Heck, all you have to do is look at the reffing assignments we're given in critical playoff games, and you can see how much the NHL doesn't even try to hide it.

Yep. We know. It sucks. It's stupid. It's blatant. It defies all logic. And unfortunately, nothing will change.
We're likely not going to be near the top of the PP list until the next time we're tanking and don't want PPs.
A Dubasite and conspiracy theorist….nice
 
Style of play?

The Tkachuks, Stutzle, and Bunting lead the league in penalties drawn, with 17 or 18. Domi leads the Leafs with 8, while Gregor, AM, MM, and WN have 6 each (JT has 3).

Bunting was second overall last year, so Leafs bias fails that particular test.

Blaming the league and refs is just a cop-out.

The vast majority of penalties in the league every year without fail are defensive penalties - hooks, trips, interference, etc. Tough guy penalties are offset half the time and don’t happen nearly as often as everyone pretends.

Either the other team never needs to hook, trip, interfere with us to stop our consistently top offense and decides to defend us clean year in year out or ref bias and game management plays a role, simple as that.
 
I haven’t missed a game in 25+ years and the last 8-10 have been rough to watch when it comes to bias from the league. They simply do not get the amount of powerplays they deserve. Teams can do whatever the **** they want and nothing gets called, unless it’s retaliation by the leafs.

Look at the other teams at the bottom of the lists every year. Typically no speed, no skill, no stars. We have all 3 of those every single year since 2016, and there are no PPs to show for it. Especially 5 on 3.
 
Bunting drew penalties.
I wonder how Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Rielly rank in terms of penalties drawn?
Bunting was hated..aggressive, he got penalties called that helped us. Unfortunately often his penalties hurt us too.

and the reason of this system is leafs d who was too weak and leafs had too many hole in their D

sp leafs played passive game to be sure to reduce at maximum thr distance between d and foward but everything starting by the lack of faith in their own D group
You may be correct, but the fewer power plays are a result, we also get lazy, non interested play from the stars who want run and gun not basketball
 
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I don't mean to ask when fans will start complaining about this.

What I'm asking is at what point does the team and the media start making mention of this?

A few years ago, Edmonton was at the bottom of the list in terms of calls.

The players, the team management, and especially the media stirred up a furor and they shot to the top of the list.

Mike Johnson has mentioned it a few times, in passing, during games how the team doesn't draw penalties.

Good Miller brought up the 0 instances of 5 on 3 this year, just last night, and he made reference to it a handful of times last year.

There isn't much focus on it outside of this though.


It's something that defies all of the typical correlary factors for drawing penalties:

Puck possession
Team speed
Offensive zone time
Style of play
Star players and their reputation
Team success




Toronto consistently finds itself at or near the top of all these aspects of the game, and they have played a fast paced, offensively driven style of hockey for 8 years now, have a Hart winner and a few other star players, yet they seem to break all of the unwritten rules in this subject.
The lack of 5v3 could be because their PP plays extremely slow with slow passes around the perimeter. They have possession of the puck so there are not as many puck battles.

I haven’t missed a game in 25+ years and the last 8-10 have been rough to watch when it comes to bias from the league. They simply do not get the amount of powerplays they deserve. Teams can do whatever the **** they want and nothing gets called, unless it’s retaliation by the leafs.

Look at the other teams at the bottom of the lists every year. Typically no speed, no skill, no stars. We have all 3 of those every single year since 2016, and there are no PPs to show for it. Especially 5 on 3.
You just hit the nail on the head- The Leafs are not a speed team and only have three skilled forwards.
 
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