Prospect Info: At 24th Overall the Jets Select Kristian Vesalainen

[Aavco Cup]

If the Seattle expansion draft happens on the expected time line, would next season impact Vesalainen's protected status?

No. 1st and 2nd year pro's will be exempt. Even if he plays in the NHL he would be exactly where Morrissey was for the Vegas draft (just finishing yr2 of his ELC)

 

[DRW204]

pre draft highlights/physical tools he reminded me of a mix of ~Wheeler/R. Nash

for those who frequent his games is he still more or less the same?

 

[Bob E]

Not a great start for KV and Karpat on Tuesday. A 4-1 loss and KV with no points and was a -3.

Edit: anyone see the game? Or highlights of the game? How was his game?

 

[Adam da bomb]

Will he spend a whole year in the A next year? If not, they should move Perrault.

 

[Romang67]

Will he spend a whole year in the A next year? If not, they should move Perrault.

That sounds like an absolutely horrible idea.

 

[BB88]

Will he spend a whole year in the A next year? If not, they should move Perrault.

That should happen after next year.

With the depth I expect him to start in the AHL, Roslovic becomes a regular over Stastny.

 

[kittiecarlyle]

That sounds like an absolutely horrible idea.

Only if the return is not appropriate. Fans have to come to grips some moves will be made they don't like, managing the roster won't be without some wounds.

A C is more important to the Jets going forward than a 30 year old LW that is making plus 4 million. Realistically MP is someone that may be moved in the best interests of the team.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I was.

 

[Romang67]

Is it a horrible idea? You need to save money somewhere for all the big signings. Perrault just went 29 games without a goal. Seems like an overpay. If Ves is as good as ppl are hoping he is not a 4th liner. It's a luxury to have 6 great wingers, Connor, Wheeler, Laine, Ehlers, Ves Armia. The Penguins had to move on from Neal and Neal is a much better player than Perrault. We can't afford 7 costly wings. He is overpaid as anything other than a top 2 line player. Top 2 you have Laine, Ehlers, Wheeler, Connor. Yep, actually by terrible you mean amazing.

No, I mean horrible. Perreault is a significantly better driver of play than any of the young wingers you listed. He will be next season as well. A rookie Vesalainen, just like were a rookie Laine, Ehlers, and Connor, is very unlikely to be good at driving the play.

Or is there a cap crunch coming up next season that I'm unaware of? Why in the world would we make the team worse in what might be the last season we aren't facing a cap crunch?

So yeah, sounds like a horrible idea.

 

[Adam da bomb]

No, I mean horrible. Perreault is a significantly better driver of play than any of the young wingers you listed. He will be next season as well. A rookie Vesalainen, just like were a rookie Laine, Ehlers, and Connor, is very unlikely to be good at driving the play.

Or is there a cap crunch coming up next season that I'm unaware of? Why in the world would we make the team worse in what might be the last season we aren't facing a cap crunch?

So yeah, sounds like a horrible idea.

i keep expecting everyone's new deal to start next year.
So I guess I'm not as smart as I think.
Ehlers drives the second line Wheeler drives the 1st line. The 3rd line the line Perrault is driving is not exactly putting up points.
Lowry' 4th line is driving the offense better. So perhaps I got the year wrong and we can keep one more year before he has to go. I mean Trouba needs a new deal next year. Helly's raise starts next year. Roslo copp Connor looked pretty good. So put Armia in Connor's spot and a rookie on the 4th line. I was wrong. Perrault made several brilliant plays watching game.

 

[kittiecarlyle]

No, I mean horrible. Perreault is a significantly better driver of play than any of the young wingers you listed. He will be next season as well. A rookie Vesalainen, just like were a rookie Laine, Ehlers, and Connor, is very unlikely to be good at driving the play.

Or is there a cap crunch coming up next season that I'm unaware of? Why in the world would we make the team worse in what might be the last season we aren't facing a cap crunch?

So yeah, sounds like a horrible idea.

Because you would not necessarily make it worse. Why would anyone assume that one move automatically means that?

It's a balancing act, something no one on here is capable of doing it better than the GM, really. Some are perplexed by the idea of managing the roster to the team's best advantage, that is baffling.

Does a team wait till the value of a player is so low there really is nothing significant to gain in return? Do they trade a player that has value ( to the Jets or another team ) and then use the acquired asset to keep the build in the continual phase? AND use the saved salary cap allocation for a player that overall impacts the Jets better?

This whole can't even contemplate trading player X is so myopic.

 

[Ippenator]

i keep expecting everyone's new deal to start next year.
So I guess I'm not as smart as I think.
Ehlers drives the second line Wheeler drives the 1st line. The 3rd line the line Perrault is driving is not exactly putting up points.
Lowry' 4th line is driving the offense better. So perhaps I got the year wrong and we can keep one more year before he has to go. I mean Trouba needs a new deal next year. Helly's raise starts next year. Roslo copp Connor looked pretty good. So put Armia in Connor's spot and a rookie on the 4th line. I was wrong. Perrault made several brilliant plays watching game.

Ehlers is by no means a line driver. He does not have the puck control and the playmaking skills, at least yet, to be a line driver. Stastny’s line does not have a clear line driver, but if anyone in that line should be called a driver (a term that I pretty much hate), that player would be still Stastny, as he is the one controlling the play for the line and doing the most of playmaking.

Being the clearly best skater and best in making zone entries does not yet make a player a real line driver. They need to be still capable of driving the play persistently in the offensive zone after bringing the puck there, to be really called a line driver.

 

[JetsFan815]

Ehlers is by no means a line driver. He does not have the puck control and the playmaking skills, at least yet, to be a line driver. Stastny’s line does not have a clear line driver, but if anyone in that line should be called a driver (a term that I pretty much hate), that player would be still Stastny, as he is the one controlling the play for the line and doing the most of playmaking.

Being the clearly best skater and best in making zone entries does not yet make a player a real line driver. They need to be still capable of driving the play persistently in the offensive zone after bringing the puck there, to be really called a line driver.

Ehlers being praised as expected is a batsignal for Ippenator to come in and bash or give back handed compliments.

 

[Ippenator]

Ehlers being praised as expected is a batsignal for Ippenator to come in and bash or give back handed compliments.

I have no problem with praising Ehlers for a reason. He has been better this season than he was last season, and I have liked in general the direction his game has gone. Still, his problems are mostly with hogging the puck too much and losing it, and being a bit blind with seeing open teammates. These things have become better at least by some margin, but not that much yet that I could see him as a real line driver. Wheeler is a clear line driver, and so is Scheifele. Otherwise I don’t see the Jets having any other so called drivers. Even Perreault is not that kind of a player, although he can sometimes help a line become succesful with his tenacity and make the players around him better with it.

But to be a real line driver you need to be able to keep the game in control constantly and to be able to very well do efficient playmaking and create constantly scoring chances. This is why it is silly that Maurice uses the only line drivers he has in the same line over and over again.

 

[MoreMorrissey]

Speculating on moving guys like perreault is ridiculous at this point considering we have no idea what the cap will be, who will be NHL ready, who will step up or regress etc

Will he spend a whole year in the A next year? If not, they should move Perrault.

Let’s just enjoy the fact that we have too much talent to fit in

 

[kittiecarlyle]

Speculating on moving guys like perreault is ridiculous at this point considering we have no idea what the cap will be, who will be NHL ready, who will step up or regress etc



Let’s just enjoy the fact that we have too much talent to fit in

Th cap number is pretty much set, enough to make plans. So after a season the Jets don't have an idea of who may be ready from the Moose? Of course they do, they also know their depth at w especially LW.

If moves make sense there is no reason to not make them, and makes sense to do just that.

 

[Weezeric]

Th cap number is pretty much set, enough to make plans. So after a season the Jets don't have an idea of who may be ready from the Moose? Of course they do, they also know their depth at w especially LW.

If moves make sense there is no reason to not make them, and makes sense to do just that.

The cap will be 80-82 million next year. It could easily be 85+ the following year when laine and wheeler need new deals. If the cap starts to go up by a few million each year it's going to make the scheifele and ehlers deals look even better. If the jets can get trouba and morrisey locked up to fair value long term deals right now they will be laughing in 2 years time.

 

[Saintb]

Because you would not necessarily make it worse. Why would anyone assume that one move automatically means that?

It's a balancing act, something no one on here is capable of doing it better than the GM, really. Some are perplexed by the idea of managing the roster to the team's best advantage, that is baffling.

Does a team wait till the value of a player is so low there really is nothing significant to gain in return? Do they trade a player that has value ( to the Jets or another team ) and then use the acquired asset to keep the build in the continual phase? AND use the saved salary cap allocation for a player that overall impacts the Jets better?

This whole can't even contemplate trading player X is so myopic.

This is a good point. I think of the Hawks trading a premium player like Frolik to us as an example of the choices that have to be made. Now we are the Hawks.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

No, I mean horrible. Perreault is a significantly better driver of play than any of the young wingers you listed. He will be next season as well. A rookie Vesalainen, just like were a rookie Laine, Ehlers, and Connor, is very unlikely to be good at driving the play.

Or is there a cap crunch coming up next season that I'm unaware of? Why in the world would we make the team worse in what might be the last season we aren't facing a cap crunch?

So yeah, sounds like a horrible idea.

Horribly premature. Another year and it may be both good asset management and necessary. But we'll have to see how next year goes first.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

The cap will be 80-82 million next year. It could easily be 85+ the following year when laine and wheeler need new deals. If the cap starts to go up by a few million each year it's going to make the scheifele and ehlers deals look even better. If the jets can get trouba and morrisey locked up to fair value long term deals right now they will be laughing in 2 years time.

We have a very good idea what next year's cap will be. We have a good but less precise idea what the cap will be the year after.

If the Jets lock up both Trouba and Morrissey for the '20 season they will be in very good shape on ice. Chevy will be struggling to keep the group together and under the cap. That is assuming the cap goes up a several mil more.

 

[Whileee]

This is a good point. I think of the Hawks trading a premium player like Frolik to us as an example of the choices that have to be made. Now we are the Hawks.

The Jets will have some challenges, but you can see the blueprint for the Jets with their plethora of talented young forwards.

Frolik has been good with shot metrics, but he really hasn't provided much offense this season on a team starved for offense. His 5v5 points/60 trail most of the Jets' bottom-6 (he's below Lowry, Copp, Armia, Roslovic and Hendricks, and close to Tanev). You need more than that level of production from a forward with a $4.3M cap hit.

 

[Saintb]

I was talking about when the Hawks let him go for a second rounder.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

Poor, poor, Vesalainen.

I have no idea what he's done to deserve the number of OT thread excursions we seem to venture off on, but please:

Keep the topic to the OP: Vesalainen.

Anything OT from here on in (IE: Tolvanen, Ehlers, or any path we head down that doesn't somehow tie back into KV) will simply get deleted. This includes responses to OT posts prior to this message. Fair warning, I think.

 

[DEANYOUNGBLOOD17]

I was talking about when the Hawks let him go for a second rounder.

They let him go for a 3rd....

We traded a late 2nd (59) that year for 3 later picks to recoup the 3rd we lost.

 

[Trilliann]

He just tied the game, 1-1, (power play)