LeBrun: Asking price for Giordano is a 1st Round Pick

[NYRKing]

Sounds like the market might not be there for Gio after the lindholm and Chiarot trades. Won’t be surprised if it’s two seconds or 2nd and a prospect at this point.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

A 1st is fair, he is a very good, experienced defenceman and the first Captain of the franchise.

 

[BlueBaron]

1) I'm not asking for the same return(because Chariot also got a 4th and a prospect on top of it and I'n also not Ron Francis)

2) Again, Giordano's better in every single statistic besides hitting compared to Chariot, even at age 38 and playing for a bad team.

Overall I find it strange that people always crap on Francis for asking for a first round pick(the expansion draft is over and can be discussed sepratly), especially if you see all those trades happening right now and with what is supposedly asked for marginal players.

On top of that Francis has to ask for for a lot because it's a negotiation and you're certainly not going in there asking what the other side is willing to give and just accept.
You go and ask for a lot and negotiate to see if you can find a deal.

He can ask for whatever he wants. We will see what he gets. If you prove right I'll give you credit for it. Until then I stand by his value being closer to a 2nd.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

He's an experienced top 4 defenseman who's had a solid season on an awful team and can provide quality leadership going into the playoffs for some team and he's a UFA so it's not like he's got a massive contract. Chariot just got a 1st, it's not hard to imagine him getting a first, especially if Seattle retain.

I don't doubt he will, I was poking fun at the post in the Chiarot thread

 

[BlueBaron]

Ron Francis is the type that will just let giot go for nothing in UFA though.

Yep. Another plus for the buyer. He has to trade him or get nothing, Chariot did not have to be traded.

 

[WinterLion]

I'm not sure how much he has declined this year... but I would imagine a 1st would be reasonable.

 

[jmelm]

My wife also wanted a hot 6'3 basketball player
She ended up getting me

Give your wife my number.

 

[McDrai]

Value sounds about right. He could knee an opposing star player in the playoffs, thus tilting the series in his team's favor. That's absolutely worth a 1st round pick

 

[RainyCityHockey]

Yep. Another plus for the buyer. He has to trade him or get nothing, Chariot did not have to be traded.

Chariot is a pending UFA

 

[TheGoldenJet]

My wife also wanted a hot 6'3 basketball player

Why would she want a bust though?

 

[SundherDome]

I imagine a first would be a good starting point.

 

[Mr Positive]

If Toronto is smart they lowball this and be comfortable with a different option. Just because Giordano wants to be in Toronto doesnt mean Toronto has to be the one who bends to make it happen.

It seems wild considering Philly didnt mess around in trading their long time heart of the franchise, because they wanted to do right by him.

 

[david999]

He's been right though. Lots of first round picks getting traded.

I’ll give you a scoop, every trade deadline 1st rounders go out the door. It’s the fact that every team asks for a 1st rounder, and this is supposed to be something we’re not aware of, is a joke.

 

[LeafGrief]

Good luck with that

 

[FerrisRox]

This is insane. Mark Giordano isn't worth anywhere close to a 1st round pick.

He is way too slow to be an effective top four player anymore. He is not the answer for the Maple Leafs. They need to stay away unless the price is significantly lower and the plan is to upgrade the third pair.

Middleton would be a *much* better choice. Even Braun, who is only a marginal upgrade, is better than Giordano. I don't get why they are linked to him, he's clearly not what they need and the price is a joke.

 

[FerrisRox]

I mean Chiarot got a 1st. I can believe it

Chiarot, as this point in their respective careers, is significantly better than Mark Giordano. They aren't close.

 

[BlueBaron]

Chariot is a pending UFA

Yeah but he could have been retained. 0 chance Gio stays.

 

[CupInSIX]

Just looking at his ice time, was he showcased his last 2 games, then healthy scratched as a precaution? That seems kind of an odd way to do it. Maybe they'll get their asking price, but his usage kind of screams 'overpaid #5 veteran on his last legs'.

 

[Mr Positive]

Chiarot, as this point in their respective career, is significantly better than Mark Giordano. They aren't close.

Plus Gio might retire. With Chiarot you are also buying a negotiating advantage for his next deal

 

[FrankMTL]

The Leafs aren't winning the cup in all likelihood, I would hold onto the pick imo. The team is d.o.a if they face Florida or Tampa in the 1st round. Its a shame that its another wasted year, but the reality is those teams are better and our goaltending is horrendous

That's the mindset that will lead them to losing Austin Matthews at the end of the 2023-2024 season as a UFA and have nothing to show for it. Trust me, as a Habs fan, I know all about not willing to go all in. You either go for it, or you don't. This sitting halfway in shit drives me nuts. I love that Tampa has the balls to take advantage of their peak years to just go for it. Same with Florida.

Not saying that Gio is worth a first, or that they should even trade for him, but do something at least. You're going to overpay for sure, but try and make your team better.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Terrible value. The mid tier pieces costing contenders a 1st, 1st + is abysmal.

 

[Mick Riddleton]

1st round pick for a rental, who will be 39 years old at the start of next years season. He has played over 1000 games in the NHL but only 23 playoff games, not much experience in pressure cookers.

 

[Eltuna]

I think the Leafs hold onto their first for a few reasons.

1. They have played the UFA deadline trade game a lot lately, Foligno, Plekanec, Boyle, Muzzin, etc with limited success.

2. Hardest road to a cup they might ever have. Tampa, Florida, Carolina, & Colorado is a realistic road to the cup barring upsets which is absolutely brutal.

3. A lot of contenders have already traded their 2023 1st round picks as well as high profile prospects, this will increase even further today and tomorrow. This means the 2023 deadline is not going to have a ton of contenders with assets available. Pass on the sellers market in hopes of a buyers market next year. The guy you take in the 1st this year will have a lot of value next deadline.

St Louis with their aging core and quickly closing window is way more of a fit for Gio in my opinion.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

If Seattle retains, yeah probably. More likely a 2024 first though.

retention is 100% expected

 

[tkb81]

Why would she want a bust though?

oh she will be bustin all right