Proposal: Askarov to EDM

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Will Askarov be happy playing behind Blackwood and Vanecek?

Both are UFAs. Even if they weren't, neither are good goalies. The only reason he wanted out of Nashville is he knew there was zero chance he'd supplant Saros. Kid wants to bet on himself and prove he can be a starter.

I can't see any scenario San Jose even considers moving him unless it's absurd.
 
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MoneyManny

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The Sharks traded away the pick acquired from the Golden Knights. I am not certain we're talking downgrade here.

Let's put the brakes on the hyperbole here. Skinner isn't a shit goaltender. The Oilers need an upgrade in net. No team trades a 1st and a prospect for a lateral move in position.

I realize the trade was made just a few months ago. Will Askarov be happy playing behind Blackwood and Vanecek? He is getting a shot because Vitek is hurt but it is a worthwhile question. He wants to be a starter. This trade guarantees that.
SJ would be foolish to trade the top goalie prospect in hockey, but if they did, they'd easily have a better offer than this.
 

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I realize the trade was made just a few months ago. Will Askarov be happy playing behind Blackwood and Vanecek? He is getting a shot because Vitek is hurt but it is a worthwhile question. He wants to be a starter. This trade guarantees that.
If Askarov isn’t good enough to beat out vanecek then he’s not worth trading for in the first place.

Im not surprised SJ didn’t just hand him the net. Neither would EDM.
 

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I don't think this is a knee jerk trade proposal. Oiler fans have been questioning Stuart Skinner's ability to backstop the team to a Stanley Cup. They came within two goals in game seven last year.

This year it seems even some of Skinner's teammates are running out of patience with his sub .900 play. So if the Oilers *really* want to go for it:

:edmonton

Yaroslav Askarov (G)
San Jose's 4th round pick 2025

:sharks

Oilers 1st round pick 2026
Stu Skinner (G)
Matt Savoie

This proposal is so bad that you could ADD McDavid and it'd still be shit.
 

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If I'm Edmonton, I'd probably target Vejmelka or Dostal to platoon with Skinner long before targeting someone as high profile like Askarov. IMO both are more likely to be moved than Askarov, potentially cheaper than Askarov, used to high volume situations and your resident @Czechboy would be happy with the nationalities of these two.

It's still not a guarantee that you can get them and that they'd work out, but IMO they make more sense to try to target than the bigger names that float around. You don't need a guy to be long term. IMO you just need someone who might peak at the right time for a few years (ie: Binnington and the Blues).
 

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I love how the justification of the trade is basically Edmonton needs him so San Jose should be nice.
There are a large group of Oiler fans who love draft position over reality. The Sabres making the mistake of drafting Savoie at 9 still holds more value than he was traded for, McLeod.
 

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If I'm Edmonton, I'd probably target Vejmelka or Dostal to platoon with Skinner long before targeting someone as high profile like Askarov. IMO both are more likely to be moved than Askarov, potentially cheaper than Askarov, used to high volume situations and your resident @Czechboy would be happy with the nationalities of these two.

It's still not a guarantee that you can get them and that they'd work out, but IMO they make more sense to try to target than the bigger names that float around. You don't need a guy to be long term. IMO you just need someone who might peak at the right time for a few years (ie: Binnington and the Blues).
Or Vanecek when he is healthy again! No long term comittiment. Gets us out from Pickard and hopeflly Rodrigue is ready to step in next year if the Czech goalies shit the bed. They can all push Stu. Eg. look at Vladar and Wolf. Wolf is the star but Vladar is holidng his own and they are not screwed if Wolf falters or gets injured.It's heatthy crease competition. We don't have that... at all.
 
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Some good points made by some posters on here. It's tough to come up with a trade for a goaltender who is a clear upgrade on what the team has.

1. I knew Blackwood was a pending UFA, but I had missed that Vanecek is as well. Askarov probably will get his chance as a starter in San Jose. That removes his desire to move on from San Jose even if he's been in the minors. Fair enough.

2. The Oilers won't make a lateral move, but I guess I am asking the Sharks to. That's also a fair criticism.

Mea Culpa.
 
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Or Vanecek when he is healthy again! No long term comittiment. Gets us out from Pickard and hopeflly Rodrigue is ready to step in next year if the Czech goalies shit the bed. They can all push Stu. Eg. look at Vladar and Wolf. Wolf is the star but Vladar is holidng his own and they are not screwed if Wolf falters or gets injured.It's heatthy crease competition. We don't have that... at all.

I don't think Vancek is as good of an option for the Oilers style of play to Dostal and Vejmelka, but I could be wrong. He's played behind better d corps than Dostal and Vejmelka but has higher highs and lower lows in that time. Dostal and Vejmelka are more consistent with less desirable situations, but perhaps that also contributes to them being harder to acquire. As mentioned, Oilers need someone who can peak at the right time with the situation they have. Longer term is a bonus. I think Dostal and Vejmelka are more likely to be safer bets for peaking at the right time. Vanacek is a little more uncertain.

Dostal and Vejmelka have performed well in a situation where the d corps is below average for NHL rosters due to talent or injuries. Vanacek has always played in slightly better situations that is closer to the Oilers situations vs worse situations. If acquired, I think all 3 guys will fit into the Oilers current short term and longer term cap situations (tight).

Vanacek has been between .911 and .890 in situations where he is shot on more (NJD and Washington). Higher highs and lower lows in a slightly better situation (albeit I might be remembering how bad the injuries got for NJD). He's holding down a .899 right now on a Sharks team which isn't bad since the Oilers would be an upgrade to what he's currently playing behind, but I'd have concern with his sv% variations due to his time on the Caps and NJD. Maybe that concern is misplaced though. He's the easiest to acquire, but I don't know if he's much better than someone like Vladar if added to the Oilers roster. IMO it'd be highly uncertain that Vladar would be an upgrade to Pickard on your roster. That's how I'd feel about Vanacek.

Vejmelka has historically been consistently around .900 (just a hair underneath), but he's played a pretty heavy load behind the Yotes/UHC team that has had a lot of movement and one of the leagues weakest d corps. UHC has finally upgraded their d corps and I'd say that they might be on par with the Oilers this season. Vejmelka is currently holding a .915 right now for UHC with that upgraded d corps. Prior to this season, the Oilers d corps would easily have been an upgrade to what he was playing behind. Ingram has taken the bigger load but has the worse sv%. Oilers probably have to put up a decent package for UHC to listen because I think UHC wants to actually compete. But because they have a fall back option in Ingram, I think they'd potentially consider it and take Pickard back if the assets offered can match other objectives.

Dostal has been consistently a hair over .900, but he's also played less games vs the other two and his regular workload has recently caught up with/started to exceed the other two. The Ducks d corps had been downgraded and the group will perhaps be good but is currently too young with a terrible system. The Oilers d corps would arguably be an upgrade to the Ducks right now if not comparable, but I think the Ducks are being outshot by a bigger factor than the Oilers due to system. Dostal is currently holding a .924 and he's played 13 games this season to Vejmelka's 7 and Vanacek's 10. I'm not even sure the Ducks would want to let Dostal go as he'd be Gibson's heir, so you'd probably have to front a ton to get the Ducks to even listen. But because they technically have a fall back option in Gibson, I think they'd potentially consider it and take Pickard back if the assets offered can match other objectives.

The fact all 3 guys are Czech goalies is just a coincidence. But I know you have a soft spot for those guys.
 

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Some good points made by some posters on here. It's tough to come up with a trade for a goaltender who is a clear upgrade on what the team has.

1. I knew Blackwood was a pending UFA, but I had missed that Vanecek is as well. Askarov probably will get his chance as a starter in San Jose. That removes his desire to move on from San Jose even if he's been in the minors. Fair enough.

2. The Oilers won't make a lateral move, but I guess I am asking the Sharks to. That's also a fair criticism.

Mea Culpa.
I can't see the Sharks moving Askarov unless someone is willing to provide a significant overpayment compared to what the Sharks paid for him. I think it starts at two 1st round picks and a 1st round pick level prospect (even a late one like what Edstrom was or what Savoie may be at this stage). I can't imagine anyone seriously willing to pay that sort of price but that's what may get their attention. Otherwise, they're going to bring him along with the intent of being a competitive team with him as the starter.
 
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I don't think Vancek is as good of an option for the Oilers style of play to Dostal and Vejmelka, but I could be wrong. He's played behind better d corps than Dostal and Vejmelka but has higher highs and lower lows in that time. Dostal and Vejmelka are more consistent with less desirable situations, but perhaps that also contributes to them being harder to acquire. As mentioned, Oilers need someone who can peak at the right time with the situation they have. Longer term is a bonus. I think Dostal and Vejmelka are more likely to be safer bets for peaking at the right time. Vanacek is a little more uncertain.

Dostal and Vejmelka have performed well in a situation where the d corps is below average for NHL rosters due to talent or injuries. Vanacek has always played in slightly better situations that is closer to the Oilers situations vs worse situations. If acquired, I think all 3 guys will fit into the Oilers current short term and longer term cap situations (tight).

Vanacek has been between .911 and .890 in situations where he is shot on more (NJD and Washington). Higher highs and lower lows in a slightly better situation (albeit I might be remembering how bad the injuries got for NJD). He's holding down a .899 right now on a Sharks team which isn't bad since the Oilers would be an upgrade to what he's currently playing behind, but I'd have concern with his sv% variations due to his time on the Caps and NJD. Maybe that concern is misplaced though. He's the easiest to acquire, but I don't know if he's much better than someone like Vladar if added to the Oilers roster. IMO it'd be highly uncertain that Vladar would be an upgrade to Pickard on your roster. That's how I'd feel about Vanacek.

Vejmelka has historically been consistently around .900 (just a hair underneath), but he's played a pretty heavy load behind the Yotes/UHC team that has had a lot of movement and one of the leagues weakest d corps. UHC has finally upgraded their d corps and I'd say that they might be on par with the Oilers this season. Vejmelka is currently holding a .915 right now for UHC with that upgraded d corps. Prior to this season, the Oilers d corps would easily have been an upgrade to what he was playing behind. Ingram has taken the bigger load but has the worse sv%. Oilers probably have to put up a decent package for UHC to listen because I think UHC wants to actually compete. But because they have a fall back option in Ingram, I think they'd potentially consider it and take Pickard back if the assets offered can match other objectives.

Dostal has been consistently a hair over .900, but he's also played less games vs the other two and his regular workload has recently caught up with/started to exceed the other two. The Ducks d corps had been downgraded and the group will perhaps be good but is currently too young with a terrible system. The Oilers d corps would arguably be an upgrade to the Ducks right now if not comparable, but I think the Ducks are being outshot by a bigger factor than the Oilers due to system. Dostal is currently holding a .924 and he's played 13 games this season to Vejmelka's 7 and Vanacek's 10. I'm not even sure the Ducks would want to let Dostal go as he'd be Gibson's heir, so you'd probably have to front a ton to get the Ducks to even listen. But because they technically have a fall back option in Gibson, I think they'd potentially consider it and take Pickard back if the assets offered can match other objectives.

The fact all 3 guys are Czech goalies is just a coincidence. But I know you have a soft spot for those guys.
That's a great writeup.

I actually consider Dostal Vezina tier in the next few seasons and don't see him shaking loose. He's our next Vokoun and maybe more.

And yes, I definitely have a bias.lol Wait till my Rittich to Oiler proposal in January.lmao
 
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If I'm Edmonton, I'd probably target Vejmelka or Dostal to platoon with Skinner long before targeting someone as high profile like Askarov. IMO both are more likely to be moved than Askarov, potentially cheaper than Askarov,
Anaheim would want more for Dostal than Edmonton would have to give in futures imo.

He's 24 and has been really, really good this year. They have no reason to trade him unless they get an outrageous offer, which Edmonton can't provide.
 

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Dostal would cost a fortune right now. He's 24 and been one of the best goaltenders in the NHL this year.

Edmonton probably doesn't have the futures that Anaheim would want for him.

I was going to say. This dude is good and not someone the Ducks should be looking to move. Maybe he becomes available in the future if Clara proves to be the truth but as of now Dostal is off the table sans a wildly favorable offer.
 
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I was going to say. This dude is good and not someone the Ducks should be looking to move. Maybe he becomes available in the future if Clara proves to be the truth but as of now Dostal is off the table sans a wildly favorable offer.
Even in previous years when he was hovering at a little over .900- that's very solid for a 22-23 year old goaltender on a team that's been as bad as Anaheim.
 
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Anaheim would want more for Dostal than Edmonton would have to give in futures imo.

He's 24 and has been really, really good this year. They have no reason to trade him unless they get an outrageous offer, which Edmonton can't provide.

Agreed. I did mention I don't think the Ducks would be interested in moving him, but perhaps a slimmest chance he's more available than Askarov. I was just considering that if the Oilers would consider putting together an asset package for Askarov maybe a similar package would allow the Ducks to at least listen on Dostal.

I've mentioned years ago that an overpayment is what makes the most sense to address their Achilles heel. In hindsight that's further supported that Oilers should have ponied up for a goalie earlier based on how much value was lost on JP, Yams, XB/Wallstedt, Broberg, Holloway etc. I get why they didn't, but I also still think that paying a stupid premium to address that weakness is still a good move.

I'm not entirely sure if Edmonton is truly unable to provide an outrageous offer that would cause the Ducks to at least pause. Ducks should field an absurd offer and Edmonton should listen to the end before deciding whether or not they'll take that gamble. I did mention that I didn't believe it was guaranteed that they'd be able to convince the Ducks to let go of Dostal though. Dostal is doing phenomenal. I get it though. IMO Sudsy is the real gem, but if the talent isn't a match for Sudsy's mentorship/style, you won't end up with another success like Dostal.

I also do agree that the Oiler's futures are likely to be in the later end of the first round/they need cheap talent to keep competing. Ducks and UHC likely want to consolidate quality vs add quantity, so you're probably right it's an uphill battle for the Oilers to put together an outrageous offer that would be agreeable to the Ducks or UHC.
 

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1. I knew Blackwood was a pending UFA, but I had missed that Vanecek is as well. Askarov probably will get his chance as a starter in San Jose. That removes his desire to move on from San Jose even if he's been in the minors. Fair enough.
Askarov will be the Sharks backup, at minimum, by February, and probably the starter by the end of next year if he doesn't wash out (he'll likely have the full two-plus years of runway to establish himself too).
 
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I'm not entirely sure if Edmonton is truly unable to provide an outrageous offer that would cause the Ducks to at least pause.

The problem is the Ducks cupboard is far from barren. They have their future D all but set. They have their future 1C. They have two candidates for 2C long term. They have a couple high end wing prospects. They have likely another top 10 pick coming.

If what you offer is less talented than what's in place or on the way, essentially aren't they trading a future starting goalie for like a future 5/6D, or a future 3rd liner? Doesn't seem worth it, even if it's multiple guys of that ilk.

Who's the absolute best young forward or D that Edmonton could even offer, and where would they rank in Anaheim's U23 pecking order?
 

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