Online Series: Asimov's Foundation series on Apple tv

[Tawnos]

Yeah, Manella for sure, just for the love interest arc.
Oh, and I'm sure you saw how Raych's arc is vastly different from the books.
But I don't want to complain too much. It doesn't look bad yet. I could do without the gratuitous action or violence sequences but I guess that's what viewers want and it's a small price to pay.

I'm not sure what to make of Raych's arc just yet, aside from the timing obviously being vastly different.

 

[Eisen]

Strange episode. Seemed a bit like a filler to me which is a bit early. And a sorta strange spot to pick up after how episode 2 ended.

 

[Ben Grimm]

Of course it doesn't. That doesn't mean they won't try to put some in to attract the casuals. I can't imagine the Mule coming into play for some time. I suspect that, given how dry most of Asimov's material is (he is really more about ideas than execution), they are going to have to take a lot of liberties with his work, which will alienate some of the die-hard fans. The trailer looks to be consistent with Prelude to Foundation / Forward the Foundation and could end with the establishment of the Foundation as opposed to the way the original novel begins with the Seldon Crises brought quickly to the forefront.

Agreed. I was a huge Asimov fan in the 70s and he was highly regarded, but he is more of a science writer and except for the Mule this has no characterization. Something slightly more recent and better written with more characterization would have a been better choice. Dune is coming out soon, but perhaps the father of cyberpunk William Gibson or one of his contemporaries would have been a better choice.

 

[Eisen]

Agreed. I was a huge Asimov fan in the 70s and he was highly regarded, but he is more of a science writer and except for the Mule this has no characterization. Something slightly more recent and better written with more characterization would have a been better choice. Dune is coming out soon, but perhaps the father of cyberpunk William Gibson or one of his contemporaries would have been a better choice.

The whole point of psychohistory is that individuals an dcharacter don't matter. The plan is supposed to be inevitable. From a character viewpoint, the Second Foundation is more interesting. But I still think it could be a compelling story without "characters". When I read it, I honestly thought that that's what made it great.

 

[Ben Grimm]

1. The whole point of psychohistory ... 2. But I still think it could be a compelling story without "characters". ...

1. You're confusing the novel with the content of it. 2. The Four Elements of Fiction: A Writer’s Guide to Character, Setting, Situation, and Theme

Essay vs. Novel - What's the Difference?

 

[Eisen]

1. You're confusing the novel with the content of it. 2. The Four Elements of Fiction: A Writer’s Guide to Character, Setting, Situation, and Theme

Essay vs. Novel - What's the Difference?

Characters in the sense that they don't need to be fleshed out. Of course you need people. But the narrative, at least during the first book, doesn't need to be driven by people. We are just accompanying them and then they get tossed for the next crisis. What did we really know about Salvor Hardin or Hober Mallow? Nothing much, the story was still not lacking. In the show, what was the purpose of building up Gaal Dornick? She's already gone.

 

[Tawnos]

Characters in the sense that they don't need to be fleshed out. Of course you need people. But the narrative, at least during the first book, doesn't need to be driven by people. We are just accompanying them and then they get tossed for the next crisis. What did we really know about Salvor Hardin or Hober Mallow? Nothing much, the story was still not lacking. In the show, what was the purpose of building up Gaal Dornick? She's already gone.

She was the narrator in the last episode, was she not? I'm expecting that we'll get the resolution of Raych's story as well.

I think the first book could get away without really fleshing out the characters, but that really only lasted for the one book. Foundation and Empire and Second Foundation were both character driven.

 

[Eisen]

She was the narrator in the last episode, was she not? I'm expecting that we'll get the resolution of Raych's story as well.

I think the first book could get away without really fleshing out the characters, but that really only lasted for the one book. Foundation and Empire and Second Foundation were both character driven.

From the Mule story on in the 2nd book, yeah.
And yes, she was the focal point but we got parts of her back story as well. Does that serve a purpose? I realise I am criticising an adaption that I know almost nothing about. It's brand new. But I feel it's setting the wrong tone, namely that characters don't matter. It's all the Seldon plan, to me at least. That should be the focus.

 

[wintersej]

She was the narrator in the last episode, was she not? I'm expecting that we'll get the resolution of Raych's story as well.

I think the first book could get away without really fleshing out the characters, but that really only lasted for the one book. Foundation and Empire and Second Foundation were both character driven.

Foundations Edge and Foundation and Earth also are character driven.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Very strange show so far. Visually stunning, rich sets and costumes, incredible digital images. Visuals are 10/10 Lee Pace's eyebrows are also 10/10

I read the books in my teenaged years and don't remember much of them other than they were good. I do like the Robot Series better. Forgot how much they jump around chronologically which makes it challenging in a film medium. I like that they took a risk and tried to do something different anyways.

 

[Eisen]

I think they botched the vault and Hardin. Apart from the names, this is not remotely similar.

 

[Jussi]

Finnish actress Laura Birn, who plays Demerzel, talked to Finnish media for the first time about her role in the series. They're set to start shooting season soon.

 

[beowulf]

I am kind of glad now that I haven't been able to watch this show. Everything I read from people who loved the books is that it's almost nothing like the books, the creators of the show are almost trying to create your typical Star Wars clone one review said.

 

[Jussi]

I am kind of glad now that I haven't been able to watch this show. Everything I read from people who loved the books is that it's almost nothing like the books, the creators of the show are almost trying to create your typical Star Wars clone one review said.

I've never read the books but I'm really liking this so far.

 

[Eisen]

I am kind of glad now that I haven't been able to watch this show. Everything I read from people who loved the books is that it's almost nothing like the books, the creators of the show are almost trying to create your typical Star Wars clone one review said.

It's unfathomable, really. I mean, the source is a celebrated SF classic and, apart from names, it's absolutely nothing like it, and I'm not talking about inconsequential gender chances.

 

[TheAngryHank]

Losing interest in this one.

 

[Eisen]

This show absolutely sucks donkey ass. What the hell is that supposed to be? It's sad. I'm not naive about adaptions but it takes what made the books good and twists it into generic shit. I continue to wait for a good adaption in my lifetime. The writers should be caned. The Cleons are the worst. Psychohistory is an afterthought. Daneel is a shadow of what it's supposed to be. Salvor Hardin is an action hero. The outer provinces are some weak ass Fremens. They get the Second Foundation all wrong. Sociological powers are not mentioned. It's a joke. I don't know who gave the nod to that, but it's obvious they didn't know the books or cared about them.

 

[Jussi]

I'm loving this show far. Laura Birn is killing it!

 

[Eisen]

I'm loving this show far. Laura Birn is killing it!

Nobody kills it in this show.

 

[Jussi]

Nobody kills it in this show.

Yes, they do. Non-book readers are loving this show.

 

[Eisen]

Yes, they do. Non-book readers are loving this show.

If they are satisfied with a run of the mill SF show, more power to them. They don't know what it could have been.

 

[Tawnos]

If they are satisfied with a run of the mill SF show, more power to them. They don't know what it could have been.

It does seem to be the reaction of most of the people unfamiliar with the source material.

I stopped watching, because Goyer basically said that this is intended to be a repudiation of the books. And while I have a TON of tolerance for changes made in adaptations, as you've probably seen me argue around here, that's a bridge too far for me.

 

[Jussi]

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Is no one watching season 2? Cause this show is a fantastic ride. IMO they've taken a classic sci-fi series and adapted wonderfully to today's sensibilities. Much like the re-imagined BattleStar Galactica from Sci-Fi channel in 04/05.

While they've held over a core cast of 4, a whole new cast for season 2 beyond that has been cool with rigid Jared Harris and Lee Pace being given far more leeway in season 2 really showcases their strengths.

The study of fall of an empire feels particularly poignant in times we are currently living and I think they are doing a solid job of showcasing that. Probably my favourite show currently airing.

 

[57special]

This show might be ok(not great, and probably not even good) for those who have never read, and loved the books, but for those who have, it's an abomination.

This series will not stand the test of time.